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Simplified Choice Mattresses aka Disruptors, Bed In A Box, One Choice Fits All, Universal Comfort, Millennial Mattresses 01 Jun 2018 20:30 #1

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Hi Phoenix, or anyone else that wants to take a stab at this.

We are a Canadian plus-size couple that wants to buy a Canadian made mattress. We are looking for a king size mattress, and 1.2k CND is about the max we can spend. To accomodate our life needs right now, we are looking to purchase a "bed in a box".

It was said on another thread by Pheonix that we should be looking for something that meets these specifications at our BMIs:

Polyurethane foam:
- If your mattress is one sided then I would look for 2.0 lb per cubic foot density or higher.
- If the mattress is two sided then I would use a minimum density of 1.8 lbs per cubic foot or higher.

Memory foam (or gel memory foam):
- If your mattress is one sided then I would make sure that any memory foam is at least 5 lb per cubic foot.
- If the mattress is two sided then I would use a minimum density of 4 lbs per cubic foot.

Lastly, if the mattress has 1.8 lb polyfoam or 4 lb memory foam than no more than "an inch or so or less" in the mattress.


With that being said, can anyone tell me if any of the following meet those specifications? Or which at least gets the closest to doing so? I've tried to find out myself but it's all starting to hurt my head and lead me down an inescapable rabbit hole. :(

- Douglas mattress: www.douglasbed.ca/en/product/douglas-mattress/
- Logan & Cove mattress: www.loganandcove.ca/product/logan-and-cove-luxury-pillowtop-mattress/
- Bloom mattress: www.sleepcountry.ca/bloomtm-11
- Endy mattress: ca.endy.com/pages/mattresses-design
- Fleep mattress: www.fleepbed.com/en/product/mattress/
- Polysleep mattress: polysleep.ca/products/the-polysleep-mattress?variant=28838146310
- Hamuq mattress: hamuq.com/product/hamuq-mattress/

I'd greatly appreciate any response that comes to this. Thank you.

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Simplified Choice Mattresses aka Disruptors, Bed In A Box, One Choice Fits All, Universal Comfort, Millennial Mattresses 03 Jun 2018 06:09 #2

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Hi doomsponge,
The specs that Phoenix has cited for high BMI consumers are excellent guidelines for you to use. You will likely have quite a challenge trying to find a mattress, made in Canada, that meets the high BMI mattress specifications you need at the price budget you have set.

None of the companies you list are members of The Mattress Underground. Therefore, it's not possible for Phoenix or any of us to be able to verify any of the information they provide about their products. Our main suggestion is that you narrow the list from seven to three (this can be done fairly quickly through website reviews), and then speak with your top three directly to get the detailed component information you need to compare the mattress to your high BMI specs. You may want to consider financing as a means to allow you to get the right mattress for your needs.

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Simplified Choice Mattresses aka Disruptors, Bed In A Box, One Choice Fits All, Universal Comfort, Millennial Mattresses 08 Jun 2018 20:57 #3

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Hi there. Thanks for the reply.

I ended up reaching out to all the mattress manufacturers on my original list after I posted and I've compiled a list of their various specs (except for Sealy's Bloom, 'cause they couldn't even be bothered to answer my question when I emailed them, they just wanted to sell me something).

Here is what I've heard back:

• Douglas
o The Douglas is made with three foam layers, the base is 6" of conventional polyfoam (1.8-1.9 lb), the middle layer is 2" of conventional polyfoam (1.8-1.9 lb), and the top layer is 2" of gel-infused memory foam (2.35-2.65 lb). The top layer has an IFD of 12-17, making it a medium-firm mattress. We do not use any harsh or harmful chemicals in making the mattress.
• Endy
o The top layer is 2 inches of 2.5lb infused Endy foam – comparable to 4lb high-density memory foam. The middle layer is 3 inches of 1.8lb high-density transition foam. The base layer is 5 inches of 1.8lb high-density support foam (lb weight and density does not relate to firmness).
• Fleep
o Firm side, perforated instant response foam (2 in.) : 4.5 lbs. Dense therapeutic foam adjusted to provide firm comfort (2 in.) 1.8 lbs. Dense therapeutic foam, adjusted to provide soft comfort (4 in.) 1.8 lbs. Soft side, perforated gel-infused memory foam (2 in.) : 4.0 lbs.
• Hamuq
o The mattress consists of 1" quilted pillow top with 2 lbs comfort foam and 10 oz polyester fill. 2" layer of biofoam at 2 lbs density. 1/2" of gel memory foam layer at 3 lbs density. The base support system is 8” in height, individually wrapped 1.8mm thick,15 gauge Canadian steel pocket coils, 980 in the Queen. The biofoam encasement is 2 lbs density, then another 1/2" layer of biofoam at 2 lbs density at the bottom of the encasement. The outer fabric is made from 100 % polyester.
• Logan & Cove
o 1st layer: 1 inch Gel Visco Foam, 2.5 density. 2nd layer: 1 inch Bio Foam, 1.8 density. 3rd layer: 2 Bio Foam, 1.8 density. Coils: 8 inches.
• Polysleep
o The Polysleep Mattress is made of 3 horizontal layers & a vertical layer of polyurethane foam. The top layer is a 3” ventilated hybrid foam (3.0 lbs / ft3). The mid-layer is a 1.5” piece of soft support foam (1.8 lbs / ft3). The bottom layer is built with high-density support foam (1.8 lbs / ft3). And the vertical layer is the innovative support frame made of polyurethane foam (2.0 lbs / ft3).

So, can anyone please tell me which of the above gets closest to what's in the quote below? Sorry if I'm asking the obvious, all the numbers, desnities, thicknesses and foam types hurt my head. :blush:

Polyurethane foam:
- If your mattress is one sided then I would look for 2.0 lb per cubic foot density or higher.
- If the mattress is two sided then I would use a minimum density of 1.8 lbs per cubic foot or higher.

Memory foam (or gel memory foam):
- If your mattress is one sided then I would make sure that any memory foam is at least 5 lb per cubic foot.
- If the mattress is two sided then I would use a minimum density of 4 lbs per cubic foot.

Lastly, if the mattress has 1.8 lb polyfoam or 4 lb memory foam than no more than "an inch or so or less" in the mattress.

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Simplified Choice Mattresses aka Disruptors, Bed In A Box, One Choice Fits All, Universal Comfort, Millennial Mattresses 09 Jun 2018 08:30 #4

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Hi doomsponge,
Lots of info. Probably too much which is why your head hurts. ;)
From what we read, none of these meet the High BMI design guidelines, as all are one-sided and all have less the 2.0 lb. per cubic ft. of density in the lower/support levels of the mattress We would narrow the list down to the top 3. Our recommendations for your next round of information gathering:
1. Logan & Cover - need info on the coil system. If it's made for high BMI folks, this is probably the best choice on this list
2. Endy - Uses 1.8 lb density in the lower sections of the mattress
3. Hamuq - concern is with the 15 gauge coil system

The constraints of made in Canada and less than $1000 make this process very difficult. You may have to compromise on the product specs/long-term durability to meet them.

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Simplified Choice Mattresses aka Disruptors, Bed In A Box, One Choice Fits All, Universal Comfort, Millennial Mattresses 09 Jun 2018 13:58 #5

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It is going to be hard to find much that fits that excellent criteria for the price point in Canada. I do feel for higher BMI that having a pocket coil core like the Hamuq, or the Logan and Cove is an advantage over a straight polyurethane foam mattress, it will offer more elasticity, response and support in most cases.

The gauge of wire that is listed on their specs is also likely pretty good if the spring count itself is accurate. Sometimes having that 1/3 middle part thicker steel is a nice benefit for higher BMI as well.

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Simplified Choice Mattresses aka Disruptors, Bed In A Box, One Choice Fits All, Universal Comfort, Millennial Mattresses 09 Jun 2018 19:38 #6

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Hi there. Thank you again for your reply!

All I've been able to find out about Logan and Cove's coils is that they are 8 inches thick "ReCore™ Zonal Pocketed Coils". *edited to add* Found this somewhere else...The gauge on the top and bottom is 14.5, and the middle is medium at 13.5 to account for zoning.

What are you thoughts about that in regards to my situation?

Also, what kind of coils would one typically suggest for a high BMI couple?

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Simplified Choice Mattresses aka Disruptors, Bed In A Box, One Choice Fits All, Universal Comfort, Millennial Mattresses 11 Jun 2018 19:28 #7

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Hello doomsponge,

Logan & Cove is made by NovosBed, as trusted member of this site. Without knowing more about the number of coils, diameter, etc. it is difficult to say how they will "work" in the mattress you are considering, but we can state that the 14.5-13.5-14.5 gauge configuration is firmer/more supportive that most hybrid mattresses sold online. Being located underneath 4" of foams, the coil system looks to be a solid design for higher BMI folks. Our only concern with this product design is the durability of the 4" of foams and compression of the high-loft pillow-to fill. If these foam densities do not maintain their firmness (IFD) and cell structure, you may experience body impressions. The 2" level of acceptable body impressions in the L&C warranty, www.loganandcove.ca/warranty/, makes us a little nervous. All-in-all, it looks to be a solid mattress for the price.

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Simplified Choice Mattresses aka Disruptors, Bed In A Box, One Choice Fits All, Universal Comfort, Millennial Mattresses 17 Jun 2018 20:13 #8

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Hi again, and thank you again for your reply!

So, since your last reply, my husband and I have talked, and I have been able to nudge him up a bit higher to our budget limit -- which is now 1.5k CDN. This means we are now trying to choose between entirely different beds (beds that are still Canadian made, meet the high BMI specs, etc.). I'd like to now post those three beds here, and get yout thoughts about which of them meet the criteria we are in need of in terms of our weight. Sorry for all of the back and fourth!

• Novosbed (Firm) - 2" High-Density Airflow Memory Foam (Density: 4 lbs/ft3), 2" High-Density Memory Foam (Density: 5 lbs/ft3), 7" Premium Support Foam (Density: 1.8 lbs/ft3)

• MemoryFoamComfort’s Presto Mattress (they are willing to give us a discount since we are less than a five minute drive from their warehouse): 2’ Organic Dunlop latex later (soft 20 ild), 2’ Organic Dunlop latex later (soft 20 ild), 2’ Organic Dunlop latex later (medium 30 ild), 4’ Organic Dunlop latex later (firm 40 ild). Layers can be rearranged to tailor to needs.

• Sleepboutique.ca’s custom Orchid Mattress (what follows is their suggestion of how it ought to be built based off the high BMI spec I gave them…): 2 to 2.5 HR foam with the Memory foam, but in a configuration that allows you to flip, rotate and replace the components. This way when the memory foam breaks down, you can just replace it instead of the entire mattress. Additionally, 6 inches of 2lb and 2 inches of 5lb foam.

Again, thank you. <3

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Simplified Choice Mattresses aka Disruptors, Bed In A Box, One Choice Fits All, Universal Comfort, Millennial Mattresses 18 Jun 2018 10:28 #9

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Hello doomsponge,

If you pick up the mattress at our Delta plant we can give you a 200$ discount.

Good luck in your mattress shopping!

All the best

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Simplified Choice Mattresses aka Disruptors, Bed In A Box, One Choice Fits All, Universal Comfort, Millennial Mattresses 16 Mar 2019 14:24 #10

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Hello :)

I am having problems finding the right mattress and I just discovered this website. I am not sure I am posting at the right place..

A couple of years ago a bought a firm coil mattress on Costco’s website. At first it was fine but then it became too firm. I eventually bought a memory foam topper, but it was too hot, so I put a wool blanket and egg shells on top to make it cooler.. it kinda worked and tolerated it for a couple of years but last fall I decided it was enough.

I bought the Endy mattress, it was kinda good, liked the feel of the mattress, no odor, but I felt pressure points under my hips and decided to try another mattress.

I tried the Silk and Snow. I still felt a bit of pressure points but less. I didn’t like the feel of the mattress (gel) and it still smelled strong even after a couple of weeks. I returned it.

Just got a Plush Sealy mattress (Sizemore) from Costco I like the feel of the mattress but it’s way too soft. It doesn’t support me and gives me lowerback aches. I will return it.

I think I might try the Novosbed medium or buy the same Sealy mattress but the firmer version. Just wondering if you have any input? I am a bit tired of this, the amount of info, reviews, websites.. is overwhelming.. it is so hard finding the right mattress.

I have a tendency to feel pressure points under my hips. I am a man, I live in Montreal, my bmi can range from 21 to 25 and I have a neck injury (if that changes anything).

I only tried mattresses in a box and Costco because I can return them without any fees and I actually avoided stores because sometimes you are limited to one exchange, need to pays fees and/or are forced to buy their expensive protectors.

Thanks for any help with this :)

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