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Simplified Choice Mattresses aka Disruptors, Bed In A Box, One Choice Fits All, Universal Comfort, Millennial Mattresses 31 May 2018 19:59 #1

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Hi!

Couldn’t find a place to create a new thread/replying to this one

I have a 12 year old Simmons BeautyRest Easton model. My wife and I LOVED this mattress, but we are rapidly learning that newer Simmons models are not built to last

So, we looked at a 100% talalay latex mattress at a local store. We really liked the mattress, but it’s pricey. ($4k).

I have been looking at the Avocado mattress as well. I am wondering if that, without the pillow top but adding a Dunlop latex topper would be a good fit? Would be about $1k less than the local option, but I am wary of buying something sight unseen

I am approx 6’ tall, 252lbs. Spouse is 5’ 4”, around 125lbs. I am stomach/side sleeper. She is side/back sleeper

A friend also swears by sleep number. I haven’t started looking at that yet. Any advice very appreciated!

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Latex mattress options ... is difference in price worth? 01 Jun 2018 14:45 #2

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Hello again-- different thread, hope this is ok

So, I am looking to replace my 12 year old Simmons Beautyrest. After scouring these forums (THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HOSTING THESE!), I am considering a myriad of options.

Me: I am a 6' tall male, approx 250 lbs. Stomach sleeper
Wife: approx 5' 7", approx 125. Side sleeper
Looking for a King size

We started by looking at a local mattress manufacturer with a stellar reputation. They recommended an inhouse made Talaly topped mattress. Its 5" of 'high density foam' topped with 6" of Talalay latex. The salesperson wasnt 100% sure on the specs (he will get back to me) but the lated is ILD 36 and the HD foam is 28 ILB

On my own, I have started looking (after reading ALL 20 pages!) through the sticky on 'simplified mattress choices' aka bed in a box.

I reached out to Sleep on Latex and had a great discussion. I also left a voicemail with Arizona Premium Mattress as well.

For Sleep on Latex, they recommended a medium firmness. I am a bit concerned about the 'feel' of dunlop vs talalay. That they are a trusted partner here makes me more comfortable with trying this out, but I am still hesitant. If only I could see a demo bed! :)

The main thing is this: I really loved the local mattress manufacturers offering, but it is about 3x the price of the SOL offering. My previous mattress (more in line with the SOL price point, at the time) lasted 12 years, I do now know if its reasonable to expect more than, say, 7 years out of the next one.

Rather long winded. I apologize. If anyone can help me make a reasonably balanced decision, I'd appreciate it. Basically: what is so different between the bed itself, of the local option, that would make one jump up and say 'wow-- this bed has X feature which is 1000x more desirable than a bed in a box'?

Also, is it confirmed that SOL has no memory foam in it? Thanks in advance for all the help! (and I thought car shopping was hard!)

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Latex mattress options ... is difference in price worth? 03 Jun 2018 05:48 #3

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Hi sirk98,

Welcome back! SOL is an excellent company with high integrity. There is no memory foam in their products. You can rest assured.

The reason your local mattress offering is nearly 3x the SOL pricing is due to the way retailers "mark up" the price of a mattress system vs. the price of purchasing from direct from an independent mattress manufacturer online. For example, a $2500.00 mattress set in a typical retail store is being purchased by that retail store from the mattress manufacturer for approximately $875.00. It is common that a retailer's margin % of a sale of a luxury mattress is 65%! By purchasing direct from the manufacturer, consumers can realize tremendous savings. This is one of the reasons that e-commerce mattress sales are increasing so rapidly.

Both SOL and Arizona Premium are excellent choices to work with as you continue your mattress shopping journey. It may seem more complicated than buying a car, but consider that there are no car dealers that will provide you with the ability to have it for 100 days and then return it for a full refund, no questions asked!

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Latex mattress options ... is difference in price worth? 03 Jun 2018 18:48 #4

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Thanks for reply!

So, basically I am trying to compare a Shovlin Nirvana (soft) mattress with a Sleep on Latex medium mattress. I also may have Ken at Arizona Mattress recommend/build me a mattress

I know the SOL mattress is dunlop Latex. I know the Nirvana (Shovlin) is high density foam ( the HD foam is 28 ILD) and 6” or talaly latex (ILD 36)

Just trying to figure out how to wrap my head around the difference between (for now, these two) mattresses. Trying to assign a “value”
To an unseen/felt SOL mattress and determine if its so vastly different as to warrant spending thousands more for the Nirvana

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Latex mattress options ... is difference in price worth? 06 Jun 2018 05:10 #5

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The conventional way to measure and compare "value" in a mattress has been based on the quality and amount of its material contents. Shovlin does not provide much information about the material contents of its Nirvana other than it contains 6" or 3" of Talalay latex. Your earlier post notes that there is 5" of HD 28 IFD foam beneath the latex. The means the mattress uses Talalay latex as the comfort layer/system and polyfoam as the support layer/system. The density of the HD foam matters, both in performance and value, as it does relate to firmness durability. Density is a measure of the foam weight (expressed in lbs. per cubic foot, see www.pfa.org/jifsg/jifsgs1.html)

HD foam is a broadly used term in the mattress industry for polyurethane foams greater than 1.5. In reality, a 1.5-2.0 density foam is more properly classified as a medium density foam. If it were 2.2 lb or higher, it would be reasonable to call it an HD foam in a mattress application. You should ask Shovlin about the density of its base foam. The Shovlin Nirvana, as described, has 6" of Talalay latex over a 5”polyurethane base foam. Latex foam is recognized as having significant value and is considered a high performance foam. Depending on the ILD, it will have a density from 3.0-5.0. The Talalay used in the Shovlin mattress is made in the US.
The SOL product(s) you are considering have either 6” or 8” of latex foam. SOL uses Dunlop latex made in Sri Lanka. Dunlop latex is also a high performance foam. As you compare “value” between the 2 products, in addition to price, you will be comparing the differences between Talalay and Dunlop latex as well as the amount contained in the mattress. Phoenix has written extensively on the subject, www.themattressunderground.com/our-articles/latex-pros-and-cons.html

At Luma Sleep, we prefer to use Talalay latex as the comfort layer latex and Dunlop latex as the support layer latex. We believe that this maximizes the value of each type of latex. The Talalay process creates an open cell foam that allows for air flow through the foam cells, in addition to the holes in the foam from the pins in the mold used to make the foam. It has a more luxurious feel/touch which is why we prefer it as a comfort layer. The Dunlop process also uses pins in the mold that can provide air flow; lower densities of Dunlop latex do have a more open cell. Dunlop latex is more dense, less bouncy and much less expensive. When it comes to comparing value between the two forms of latex, excluding price/cost, the difference is truly a matter of individual preference, considering all the above.

Looks like you’re going to get a good mattress either way you go.

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Latex mattress options ... is difference in price worth? 06 Jun 2018 06:57 #6

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Thank you! This is precisely the perspective I am trying to gain.
It is so hard to have a subjective comparison on this, as I dont have the benefit of 'feeling' the SOL mattress.

Doing a search on this forum, I found this post: Nivrana Specs

Looks like the previous buyer confirmed the specs for the poly foam: 2.5 lb., 36 ILD base foam (see previous message HERE )

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Latex mattress options ... is difference in price worth? 06 Jun 2018 07:23 #7

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You're welcome! If it is a 2.5 lb. density base foam, then you should feel more comfortable in knowing it will last, especially under 6" of Talalay latex. I do suggest you still ask Shovlin about it (don't tell them about the info you found on TMU), as specifications do get changed over time, and going with a lower density foam would save them money.

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Latex mattress options ... is difference in price worth? 06 Jun 2018 08:05 #8

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thanks again for the reply!

One other question: my existing 11 year old simmons beauty rest 'luxury firm' set has a foundation that appears to be heavy gauge wire grid with fabric over it. Would both the SOL and the Nirvana be ok on top of these?

Or would I need a new foundation? I saw this bunky board as an option. My preference would be to just buy the mattress, but if I do need a new foundation, then I may need to consider just buying a platform bed (saw this on the foundations thread: NewTown platform bed

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Latex mattress options ... is difference in price worth? 07 Jun 2018 03:38 #9

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Glad to be of assistance! The foundation you have from your Beautyrest set purchase, in terms used within the mattress industry, is called a semi-flex. It is indeed a heavy gauge wire grid with a fabric cover. The grid is stapled to a wooden base that is very similar to the bunkie board you describe. These foundations are very sturdy and should have a product life cycle longer than the mattress. As long as your foundation is level, stable/solid and does not make noise (e.g. squeak), you should be able to use it under your new mattress. We advise that you check with the company you select for your mattress (SOL, Shovlin, etc.) to make sure they agree and that there are no implications to your new mattress warranty.
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Latex mattress options ... is difference in price worth? 09 Jul 2018 12:49 #10

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UPDATE:
In the end, I ordered a custom mattress from Ken at Arizona Premium Mattresses. It finally arrived today--Looking forward to opening the boxes and breaking it in :)

Thanks again for all the advice :)

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