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Help needed deciding on which Dreamfoam mattress to buy, please. 03 Oct 2012 14:08 #1

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Hi Phoenix!

I've been lurking for some time now and I have read most of the helpful articles on selecting and buying a mattress. It's this forum that led me to Amazon. I'm an avid Amazon shopper who is grateful to this forum for leading me to the Ultimate Dreams mattress.

Where I need help is in deciding between the Ultimate Dreams Ultra Plush (Talalay) and the Ultimate Dreams Natural Latex (Dunlop & Wool). Can you help me with making this decision. I'm also currently struggling between the full and queen size, which is probably a personal choice but thought that I'd throw that in there just in case.

Only one person will sleep in it at a time, most often me. I am 5'3" 180 lbs, with most of my weight carried in the middle and hips. I am a side sleeper I kind of twist to lay partially on stomach while holding a pillow against my stomach and chest.

The last 6 months or so I have been experiencing a lot of neck and shoulder pain that is growing in frequency and intensity, now includes my shoulders and sometimes I can literally feel my spine as being a separate part of me (I hope you know what I mean). At first I thought it was my pillow and I now own a closet full of them. I'm sure that my pillows also contribute but I now feel that the mattress it the major culprit. There is a slight cup now and it seems to have less cush everywhere but in the foot and head. I have been spinning the mattress regularly and even more frequently now - once a month or more. In the past I bought a cuddle topper but even with that I eventually end up with the same experience, even after fluffing.

I currently sleep on a queen Comfort Solutions Natural Response in firm (the softer one cost was more but the one I really loved). This is the one here: www.weknowmattresses.com/manufacturers/comfort-solutions-king-koil/natural-response/

Do you think that the Dreamfoam beds are the answer for me and would one serve me better than the other? I do prefer a soft, cloud, sinking in experience with good support.

My last question is about the Natural Response mattress. Do you think that I could successfully take it apart to build a better mattress?

Thank you for your help and all that you do,
Sheila

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Re: Help needed deciding on which Dreamfoam mattress to buy, please. 03 Oct 2012 14:13 #2

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I forgot to mention that being in my 50s, I get hot sometimes when sleeping.

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Re: Help needed deciding on which Dreamfoam mattress to buy, please. 03 Oct 2012 15:24 #3

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I was looking at both of those too. I like the idea of the more natural offerings as I am sensitive to chemical smells, even most perfumes. But I also am a side sleeper and like a soft bed. So far from what I see the dunlop is a firmer latex. I do love wool though.

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Re: Help needed deciding on which Dreamfoam mattress to buy, please. 03 Oct 2012 15:41 #4

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Hi Woofman. I like the idea of the wool but have never slept on wool, beneath it (boot camp) but no on it. I'm hoping it wouldn't make me hotter when my temperature flairs.

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Re: Help needed deciding on which Dreamfoam mattress to buy, please. 03 Oct 2012 16:47 #5

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Actually I had the same impressions of wool until a few years ago. I am an avid outdoorsman and one of my favorite activities is fishing. Here on LI we fish on the beaches often well past Thanksgiving. I also enjoy kayaking, hiking, cycling and other outdoor sports. After having problems with sweaty feet and never wearing insulated boots, which are hard to find these days, someone advised wool socks. Well the outcome is that wool is now what I wear all year, even in the summer, just a lighter weight. The socks are usually merino or alpaca but my feet stay much cooler and dryer in the wool then in cotton or even specialty socks like dryweave. As a bonus they do not get smelly and keep you far warmer then any other materials when wet. They also do not cost more overall as the life of them is far superior. I also now have wool shirts for base layers and wool undies. Can't imagine wool would be a probelm in a bed, especially because I also now use a merino wool blanket.

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Re: Help needed deciding on which Dreamfoam mattress to buy, please. 03 Oct 2012 16:48 #6

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Oh by the way I am a really hot person and a sweater. I easily sweat over 70 degrees.

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Re: Help needed deciding on which Dreamfoam mattress to buy, please. 03 Oct 2012 17:09 #7

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Thank you so much for your confidence building words Woofman.

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Re: Help needed deciding on which Dreamfoam mattress to buy, please. 03 Oct 2012 21:05 #8

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Hi sheshechic,

Where I need help is in deciding between the Ultimate Dreams Ultra Plush (Talalay) and the Ultimate Dreams Natural Latex (Dunlop & Wool). Can you help me with making this decision. I'm also currently struggling between the full and queen size, which is probably a personal choice but thought that I'd throw that in there just in case.


The two main differences between these two mattresses is in the type of latex that they use and in the wool quilting. I think that woofman did a great job describing the benefits of wool (thanks woofman :)) and it is one of the most temperature regulating and humidity controlling fibers there is. It can absorb over 30% of it's weight in moisture without feeling wet (and keeping the skin surface dry) because it stores moisture inside the fiber. Controlling humidity and breathability is the one of the most important parts of temperature regulation. If you go outside on a hot day with high humidity you will feel very warm but the same temperature on a low humidity day will feel much cooler. It's the same with the humidity levels next to the skin with a mattress and wool controls this better than almost any other material.

Both the Talalay and Dunlop latex that they use can be chosen for firmness level but Dunlop in the same ILD as talalay will feel a little firmer and a little less lively (it is denser than Talalay and gets firmer faster with compression). In other words ... they "feel" a little different although both are high quality materials. there is more about the different types of latex in this article .

The last 6 months or so I have been experiencing a lot of neck and shoulder pain that is growing in frequency and intensity, now includes my shoulders and sometimes I can literally feel my spine as being a separate part of me (I hope you know what I mean). At first I thought it was my pillow and I now own a closet full of them. I'm sure that my pillows also contribute but I now feel that the mattress it the major culprit.


As you mention ... a pillow can play an important role in the alignment of the head and neck (which is an important part of sleeping in "neutral" alignment" but the mattress itself also needs to allow your shoulders to sink in far enough for neutral alignment as well. This is part of the "art and science" of mattress design and "fitting" a mattress to each person and is part of why certain thicknesses and firmness levels and combinations work better or worse for different people. There is lots more about this in the " sleeping style, preferences, and statistics " section and in the " putting the layers together " section of the site. What may be happening is that some of the layers on top of your mattress may have softened enough that you "going through" them more and feeling more of the firmness of the layers underneath them.

Mattress design can be quite complex though (and often counter intuitive such as when foam softening leads to a firmer mattress) ... especially if you haven't actually tried all the different combinations and styles in person ... so I would scan the basic information so that you have a better idea and can ask better questions when you are talking to Chuck about the firmness level of the mattress. They know every detail of their mattresses and their customer base is also a good reference point that can help them help you make better choices. The manufacturer themselves is always the best source of the guidance that can help you choose the softness level that you both believe would work best (based on your discussions, on the averages of other people, and on any local testing you have done which can act as a guideline).

I currently sleep on a queen Comfort Solutions Natural Response in firm (the softer one cost was more but the one I really loved).


Most of the materials in this mattress are good quality but there are a couple of layers that may be contributing to the problem such as the convoluted foam in the quilting (it doesn't say how thick this is) and the Supersoft extended comfort life (it also doesn't provide details of this layer). Sometimes when you are "on the edge" of what you need in a mattress then small changes in the firmness of the foam can make quite a big difference. The "weak link" of a mattress in combination with where in your pressure relief and alignment "tolerance range" you are is what determines how long a mattress will work well for each person ... no matter how many good quality layers it may have.

Do you think that the Dreamfoam beds are the answer for me and would one serve me better than the other? I do prefer a soft, cloud, sinking in experience with good support.


This would take a much longer conversation on the phone for me to even begin to know and I would also need a reference point of the specifics of a mattress that you had slept on (layer thickness and ILD of each layer) in order to try to figure out the specifics of how a new mattress may need to be different from the one you have. The general guidelines on the site (that I linked earlier) are based on averages and are as close as I could get without specific more detailed information that was "matched" to a specific mattress. A manufacturer will have a much better idea about a specific mattress that they make or sell because they have many different people with different body types, sleeping types, and preferences that can act as reference points.

My last question is about the Natural Response mattress. Do you think that I could successfully take it apart to build a better mattress?


I would need to know more details about the layering but in theory yes ... especially if the layers are loose and not laminated.

Your mattress has some good materials in it that are quite likely to be in good condition and if you add or remove the "offending" layers and add what you may need along with a cover to encase it all ... you could end up with a very good mattress. The difficulty though may be in finding out or estimating the specifics of what is in it so you know what to add or remove in your new design. There are certainly some good quality layers in it along with layers that are probably still in good condition that could be used as part of a "re-build" IMO ... if you were up for the challenge (and sometimes frustration) of it.

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Re: Help needed deciding on which Dreamfoam mattress to buy, please. 03 Oct 2012 22:05 #9

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Thank you for your, as usual, through and personal response Phoenix.

We are big diy people and I'd hate to just get rid of the mattress. However, if it wasn't a practical project....

So now I find the wool even more enticing but I still wonder if I can be as well served by the dunlop as I would by the talalay. And whether or not it would be more practical to buy the talalay a tad firmer (considering a 7 or 8) knowing that a quality wool topper could be in my future. Did I just talk myself through this dilemma? No, but I am closer and not as up tight which is the frame of mind I want to have before talking to Chuck.

Since you're a side sleeper, which would prefer - dunlop or talalay?

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Re: Help needed deciding on which Dreamfoam mattress to buy, please. 03 Oct 2012 22:22 #10

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Hi sheshechic,

Given some of the materials that are in your mattress ... and if you were just going to throw it anyway so you had nothing to lose ... I would certainly be tempted to at least play with rebuilding it ... especially if you enjoy DIY projects. Even if you buy a new mattress ... it can be kind of fun to open a mattress and see what is in it. The cost of good quality materials and a good cover (if you don't re-use the one you have) can add up though so it takes a bit of research, testing, and planning instead of more "random" choices where you can end up buying some expensive materials that don't work as well as you hoped.

Since you're a side sleeper, which would prefer - dunlop or talalay?


My personal preference ... in the right thickness and ILD ... is talalay. This is not because it's "better" but I do prefer the feel and response of a Talalay comfort layer vs. Dunlop. Of course ... the next 10 people you talk with may have a completely different preference :)

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