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Re: Back Pain Sufferer-- really need new mattress 26 Oct 2012 10:11 #11

I have been reading over all the posts Incan to help me make this decision. Thank you so much for your site!
I have narrowed my choice down to Dixiefoam, because I am not confident enough to buy online, even though the price is great. My question now is, since I can choose any fabric to encase my latex mattress with Dixiefoam, I am not sure about stretchy fabric vs non. Yesterday at Scott Jordan, where all of the Berekley mattresses have stretch covers, it's was explained to me that the latex needs the stretch to conform better. I realize the cover has mostly to do with personal choice, but I am just interested in your thoughts on stretch vs non assisting the mattress in some way.

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Re: Back Pain Sufferer-- really need new mattress 26 Oct 2012 15:33 #12

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Hi Sujaan,

The choice between a quilted cover and an unquilted cover really boils down to one of preference.

An unquilted stretch knit cover will allow the feeling of softer latex to "come through" more and will allow you to sink into the latex a little more than a quilted layer.

If the cover is quilted ... then the quilting would affect and modify the feeling of the latex underneath it depending on the type of quilting that was used.

For example ... if the quilting was softer polyfoam ... then it would soften the surface feel of the mattress and create a little more "plush" surface. It would also lower the resilience of the surface and provide a more "relaxed" and less "lively" sleeping surface (latex is more resilient than polyfoam) and change the pressure distribution slightly.

If the quilting material is a natural fiber like wool or cotton or a synthetic polyester fiber ... then the fibers may be more compressed and firmer than the soft latex underneath it and depending to some degree on the amount and compression of the wool or synthetic fibers and the softness of the latex underneath they can firm up the mattress by slightly lessening how much you sinking into the softer latex or how well it can contour to your body profile. Using wool in the quilting (which is a very breathable and humidity and temperature regulating fiber) can also help in improving the temperature regulation and microclimate of the mattress.

So for someone that wanted the more resilient feel of latex directly on the surface of the mattress ... then an unquilted stretch knit cover would be a good choice (this is the type of cover that Pure Latex Bliss uses for example).

For someone that wanted a slightly firmer feel and the benefits of wool ... then this type of quilting would be a good choice. The degree that the wool or other fibers affect the comfort layers in the mattress would depend on the amount and compression of the fiber, its quilting pattern, and its firmness compared to the latex or other materials underneath it. Natura for example uses thicker layers of wool in the quilting.

Others like the Ultimate Dreams and many others use a polyfoam quilting which will create a softer surface (the top layer would be softer than the ILD rating of the latex) and this will also lower the surface resilience or what some people call "pushback" feeling of the latex which changes the pressure relieving profile of the mattress (the amount of weight that is supported by different areas of the body).

You will usually see latex with either an unquilted stretch knit covers to allow the "feel of the latex to come through more, a more "natural" or "organic" cover quilted with wool which are a little less stretchy and will increase the firmness slightly vs a cover with no quilting at all (and will create a more breathable and microclimate/temperature controlling mattress), or quilted with softer polyfoam to modify the surface feel and resilience of the latex ... but this is all a matter of personal preference and of course budget.

There is more about quilted covers in this article along with Post #6 here (wool quilting) and post #2 here (effects of quilting and different materials and quilting patterns) and post #12 here (brief response about quilting foam).

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Re: Back Pain Sufferer-- really need new mattress 27 Oct 2012 22:19 #13

Thank you so much for your response, Phoenix. We went to Dixiefoam today, assuming we'd buy the pure Talalay latex, and ended up buying the medium firm polyfoam instead for half the price! Mark was very helpful, not pushy at all, really knows his stuff and spoke very highly of your site. I loved the feel of the latex but the polyfoam felt almost as good and the price was very important for us at this time. Mark was very forthcoming that if we need to exchange we certainly can for a small fee. Very fair. I am really looking forward to trying the foam and I think the wool topper will be a wonderful additional top layer to wick moisture and keep us cool. I'll update again once we've had a chance to experience the mattress at home...its arrival will be in 4 days!

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Re: Back Pain Sufferer-- really need new mattress 28 Oct 2012 01:46 #14

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Hi Sujaan,

Congratulations on your new mattress :)

As you know I think highly of Mark at Dixiefoam and the quality/value of the mattresses he makes and it's great to see that you let your body do the testing so you could choose the mattress that best meets your needs and preferences and also has the best quality/value for you. Polyfoam can make a very good choice if the quality is high (and the density they use certainly is) and budget is important.

I'm looking forward to your feedback once you've had the chance to sleep on it for a while.

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Re: Back Pain Sufferer-- really need new mattress 11 Nov 2012 20:14 #15

Hi Phoenix,
So we finally got our medium foam mattress from Dixiefoam, Hurricane Sandy set everything back. We were so excited when it came but unfortunately after 4 nights we realize it's just too firm for us. It's a lovely mattress, and Mark at Dixiefoam is great to work with, but I think we have just been so used the cushioning of our old Tempupedic. We are now in the process of switching this foam one out for the Talalay latex that we originally though we would get at Dixiefoam. If someone is looking for a great firm mattress, I highly recommend the Dixiefoam foam. I will let you know how it goes once we exchange for the latex.

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Re: Back Pain Sufferer-- really need new mattress 12 Nov 2012 00:55 #16

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Hi Sujaan,

I'm glad you made it OK through the effects of the Hurricane!

Thanks too for the update. As you know I think highly of Mark and the mattresses he makes but especially because he is so easy to work with. You're in good hands.

I'm looking forward to your next update once you've made the switch :)

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Re: Back Pain Sufferer-- really need new mattress 15 Nov 2012 14:42 #17

I am really sad. Mark at Dixie is awesome and he exchanged the polyfoam for the latex. We got it last night and the second we payed down on it we both wondered why is it so hard? It's much harder than the one in the store. I had a terrible nights sleep, woke up with sciatica and a kink in my neck. Today I'm going to have to call Mark and find out why my mattress is so hard and beg him to exchange it for a softer one. Maybe the ILD is different? Or maybe the one in the store is old and has softened? Either way, my journey is not over. So frustrating!!

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Re: Back Pain Sufferer-- really need new mattress 15 Nov 2012 20:43 #18

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Hi Sujaan,

Of course Mark would be the one to provide the best answers why your mattress may feel different but I hope you have the chance to keep us up to date. Of course it's a possibility that the materials still need to break in but he would be the "expert" about his mattresses and be in the best position to help you track down the mystery.

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Re: Back Pain Sufferer-- really need new mattress 24 Jan 2013 03:36 #19

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Sujaan,

How did things and up wit your mattress? I hope you were able to find something that worked for you. Out of curiosity, what was the latex type/layering/ILD of the latex mattress you found too firm? And if you replaced it, the latex type/layering/ILD of that one as well?

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