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Re: best latex mattress set-up for muscle disorder 01 Aug 2012 22:16 #51

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the thing is, i did talk to a few of them and they really weren't all that helpful in the task of trying to duplicate the pbl models. it was pretty frustrating actually which is why i was trying to go it on my own.

my thoughts were as follows:

-the metal frame mentioned in an earlier post
-the 6" core w/cover from sleepez
-the remaining layers from slab including 1" of 36ild to put on top of my husbands to even out the mattresses
-2"-3" covers from arizona premium for the top layers

although my husband chose the nature in the store it was only because i made him choose one. he states and i confirm that he can sleep on anything.

i want my layers in separate covers so that i can put my wedges or sleep genie under them to achieve the zero gravity position that i need. this is also why i thought that the 6" core would not make that much difference in my case.

so, that's the story. now what do you think?

thanks so much......again!

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Re: best latex mattress set-up for muscle disorder 01 Aug 2012 22:56 #52

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Hi Missy,

the thing is, i did talk to a few of them and they really weren't all that helpful in the task of trying to duplicate the pbl models. it was pretty frustrating actually which is why i was trying to go it on my own.


That's because they don't make PLB mattresses. They make their own mattresses which are different. Their mattresses may provide the same PPP with different layers but they are still different. They will give you guidance about their mattresses and use your experience on the PLB as a guideline ... not as something they will duplicate (which isn't possible anyway so they wouldn't even try). Their goal is to use the information that you give them to help you decide on which of the mattresses they sell which would have the best odds of meeting your needs and preferences, not to duplicate another mattress which someone else sells (which they don't offer anyway).

As I mentioned ... using the PLB or any other mattress as the only "good" end result is not usually the most effective approach for the reasons I have suggested. If the PLB is the only mattress that you believe will work for you or be close to your "ideal" and you are "locked in" to this layering ... then of course you should buy the PLB or go in the direction you are going in spite of the costs and risks.

so, that's the story. now what do you think?


I think the same as I mentioned in my other posts. You are taking a risky approach without the normal cost and value benefits that are connected to Option 3 vs option 2 that would normally offset the extra risk.

The most important thing though is that my suggestions are only that ... suggestions ... and if you truly believe that the approach you are taking is the best one for you according to your "value equation" then regardless of what I or anyone else thinks ... that's what you should do :)

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Re: best latex mattress set-up for muscle disorder 02 Aug 2012 19:09 #53

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Hi missy,

When I was reading through your post again ... I think you were suggesting that you would put your mattress genie or wedge under the top layers rather than under the whole mattress itself. I thought I would add that I'm not sure how good an idea this may be because it may stress the topper more than it's design is meant to accomodate. In thinking about this it's probably better to "bend" the whole mattress and keep all the layers together than having only the upper layers do all the bending ... assuming I understood your idea correctly.

I would probably also put the extra inch for your husband under the mattress instead of over it because it may be too firm for him otherwise (and an inch of very firm polyfoam under the mattress may work just as well or even better if polyfoam itself wasn't an issue). Of course it's also possible that he may prefer a thin layer of firmer foam on top (you did say he could sleep on anything :)) in which case your idea may be fine.

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Re: best latex mattress set-up for muscle disorder 02 Aug 2012 19:22 #54

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aawwwww ~ thanks so much for your thoughtful reply!

when you say "stress", do you mean wear it out faster?

the reason i had thought to do this was that i am currently doing this on top of my mattress with 2"memory foam and a lanoodle topper. i love the feeling and it helps soooo much with the problems that i have with my muscle disorder.

i would be willing to replace my topper more often to get the relief that i get. providing of course that the topper that i get will be similar to my present set up.

you are so sweet to reread! thanks again!:)

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Re: best latex mattress set-up for muscle disorder 02 Aug 2012 20:54 #55

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Hi missy,

when you say "stress", do you mean wear it out faster?


Yes. If the wedge is in between the mattress layers ... the thinner layers will have more air "gaps" under them where they are not supported and will be more subject to stretching and shear forces (tearing) which may wear them out faster. In addition to this ... the wedge itself will not be resting on a solid surface which may cause more wear on the upper layers as well. If the wedge is under the mattress ... then the softer surface layers will have the deeper layers to support them and absorb some of the compression of lying on the mattress.

With a material like latex ... even firmer layers are flexible enough to bend around the wedge as long as the mattress itself is not too thick (I probably wouldn't go much beyond about 12" or so). A thicker mattress will conform less than a thinner mattress just because of the amount of material in it. An "average" latex mattress is usually in the range of about 8-9" which leaves plenty of room for a 6" core and a suitable 2 or 3" comfort layer. For some people ... particularly if they are lighter or are OK with a firmer mattress (either no comfort layer or an inch or so) ... then a 6" mattress may be fine. For those who are much heavier or if a special design requires it ... then up to about 12" or so can also be beneficial. More latex than this isn't normally necessary even for much heavier people but may still be a preference.

The LaNoodle topper is very nice to have and is a good way to add softness without compromising support. With 2" of memory foam in the mix and any soft layers in the mattress itself ... it would be a very soft comfort layer indeed. If you were planning to add these to your new mattress and you were testing mattresses without these two layers for softness ... then you may end up with more thickness/softness than you need which could compromise support and spinal alignment.

So overall ... the "comfort" of a mattress comes from the upper layers and the "support" comes from the lower layers (and how close to them you are) and having the wedge under the mattress itself ... as long as the mattress wasn't too thick to conform to it ... would provide the same comfort with the same materials and the same support as well and still be able to bend itself around the wedge to achieve the zero gravity position.

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Re: best latex mattress set-up for muscle disorder 02 Aug 2012 21:11 #56

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alrighty then! back to the drawing board for me!

thanks!

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Re: best latex mattress set-up for muscle disorder 03 Sep 2012 21:23 #57

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hi phoenix,

just wanted to say thanks for all your help.

i ended up building 2 mattresses duplicating the layers found in the nature (husband) and nutrition (me). i got all the layers, the covers and the foundation from sleep like a bear.

although i did not end up saving as much as i had set out to, i did save $400 over the cost of the mattresses in the store.

the monetary savings of course was great but the best part is that i have more storage under the bed with the metal frames and also that i have the ability to switch layers around or get different layers.

after the first night my husband was grateful to me as he said his back was better than when he went to sleep. yay.

mine was great also and i am able to use 2 mattress genies to create a therapeutic zero-gravity position. it looks just like the adjustable beds at literally a fraction of the cost and no worries about the mechanics.

just wanted to give you feedback after all your fantastic help.

couldn't have done it without you so massive gratitude coming your way!!!:) :) :) :) :) :) :)

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Re: best latex mattress set-up for muscle disorder 03 Sep 2012 23:51 #58

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Hi missy,

Thanks for the kind words. In effect you built your own mattress and sleeping system part by part and layer by layer which is quite a DIY project. Best of all though it worked out great.

You asked lots of questions and made some good choices and ended up with exactly what you wanted for both of you.

I appreciate the feedback and you sharing the journey with us.

And congratulations on your new mattress :)

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