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Re: 11" Pacbed Original from Bed in a Box.com 07 Mar 2012 21:58 #11

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Hi lawsonmh15,

I think that if you are looking to "approximate" the feel of a certain tempurpedic then Select Foam would likely be the better choice because they have "realistically" modeled their lineup on the Tempurpedics using similar layering and density of foams. They have a comparison on their site to each of the Tempurpedic models. NOTE ADDED: They used to be a member of this site but because of ongoing customer service issues and delays their membership was terminated and I would read the warning here before considering them.

The coolcomfort has it's own advantages because the layers can be re-arranged but it would be more modeled on levels of pressure relief and support that could be matched to a person than on a specific mattress (although the layering would be most similar to the cloud models that use 4 and 5.3 lb memory foams).

I haven't focused so much in the early stages of the site on expanding the membership as much as I have identifying and getting to know some of the better manufacturers and outlets across the country that I've mentioned in many of the threads. Over the course of the next year though as I get to know many better and they also get to know me and this site, my focus will switch more to expanding the membership and I think that membership will likely at least double from the current list of 17 who offer the members here a discount.

I have talked to all of the choices in the "memory foam" thread I mentioned earlier and I am very comfortable with the service, knowledge levels, and value of all of the choices. While I believe that the current membership is "the best of the best" in an already higher quality and value group of factory direct manufacturers and outlets ... I also know that this list is far from complete and I tend to list what I believe are better choices regardless of whether they are members yet or not.

I don't keep a record of what the members on the whole have chosen, partly because the site is rather new (only a year old and the first months not many even knew about it as it was gaining popularity by word of mouth) and partly because I question the real value of choosing what someone else has chosen who may have different needs and preferences in their personal "value equation". My main goal is to help people reach a point where their choices are between "good and good" in terms of what is most important to them and I would rank all of them as being good choices.

I would suggest talking to each of your "short list" about what is most important to you and what they each would recommend and then making your choice based on a combination of the conversations you had with them and the descriptions and prices of their mattresses. I think that sometimes ... you can get a sense of "connection" with a particular outlet that seems to recognize what you are looking for and translate it into a particular model better than others and this may be a different outlet for different people.

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Re: 11" Pacbed Original from Bed in a Box.com 07 Mar 2012 22:31 #12

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Drats!!! I was hoping for a discount at RMM and don't see them listed. Would you consider them to be a candidate for the "Best of the Best"?

It's more than I want to spend, but I LOVE the idea of being able to customize the layers to find a "sweet spot". Furthermore, after reading what you wrote in a previous post, it sounds as though the coolcomfort will be better for spinal alignment, but I have to wonder if it will be WAY too firm??? Perhaps I misunderstood, at least I hope. Yesterday, I couldn't stand the "soft" and the wife couldn't stand the "firm" so would it be possible to customize this so we get that sweet "medium-firm" feeling we both loved?

If so, hopefully, they can get into the ballpark with their competitors on price. I saw the select foam site and found the branding of the models pretty funny... Wasn't a big fan of their price either. I've also tried finding reviews and comparisons of the different foam manufacturers to no avail.

The hardest part for me with Rocky Mountain Mattress is that I can't find ANY reviews, testimonials, etc... Also, I'm wondering if the spa-sensations theratouch 12" would even begin to compare to the coolcomfort 10". My consideration for a "bedinabox" died yesterday after speaking to two "customer service" agents who knew virtually nothing about their own product... At this point, bedinabox.com has become a joke in my mind. Albeit they "appear" to have a sterling reputation, I've found several reports of the foam being worthless anywhere from 4 months to a year. Nonetheless, I have to wonder if those are material defects or people not using a proper foundation and perhaps using their old boxspring.

Speaking of which, where would be a good place to get an inexpensive, but well-made foundation. That being said, I've been doing custom electronics installation which has required alot of fabrication and I've acquired quite a selection of tools over the years so would it be far cheaper to build one? If I were to do so, where would I find a material list and instructions?

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Re: 11" Pacbed Original from Bed in a Box.com 08 Mar 2012 02:05 #13

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Hi Lawsonmh15,

All of the outlets that I listed have good value IMO and from that perspective I would consider them all as potential members although there's more to a membership information that just the price of their mattresses (and there's LOTS of memory foam outlets or manufacturers that I haven't listed for example out of the many dozens 'm aware of). I listed them because I have talked with them enough to feel quite comfortable with them.

I tend to look at much more than just price alone because there is more to a mattress than just the top layer of memory foam and there are many parts to "value" depending on what is important to each person. Part of this too is the willingness to disclose the materials that are used in the mattress which all of them do.

All memory foam is soft (to different degrees) which is why it's only used in the upper layers of a mattress because none of it is firm enough to be used as a support core. Part of how firm a memory foam mattress feels as well has as much to do with the thickness of the layers and the softness/firmness of the polyfoam layers below it as it does with the memory foam itself. It's highly unlikely that a mattress with 4" of memory foam over a "typical" support core would be too firm for most. Different people will also call the same mattress either too soft or too firm depending on what they are sensitive to (either pressure relief of the comfort layers or how deeply they sink down into the support layers and the level of support) and how their own body weight and shape interacts with the mattress. A mattress needs to be both soft and firm (rather than soft or firm) but in most cases ... when people refer to medium-firm (which is really misleading because it only refers to an overall feel) ... they mean soft on top for pressure relief and firm underneath for support. Because your weights and sensitivities may be different ... you may each use "soft" and "firm" in different ways but the adjustability of the mattress would give you more options to get to a feel that both of you preferred. They are pretty good at giving ideas based on what others in your position have preferred.

If so, hopefully, they can get into the ballpark with their competitors on price.


IMO ... they are already ahead of most of their competitors on price when you compare apples to apples. More expensive and higher quality foams and materials cost more so it's misleading to compare them to lower quality options that use lower quality materials. In many cases ... cheap prices simply means cheap materials that don't last long.

In most cases the "failure" you read about is the failure of the foam (which is not a defect but normal for very low density foam) rather than the failure of a foundation although of course both are possible. This is rarely covered by a warranty because before a claim can be made on a warranty the foam has to have typically a 1.5" impression with no weight on the mattress and in almost all cases ... the foam can soften so much that it is unsuitable for sleeping on long before it develops an impression which is covered under warranty.

There are a few posts on the forum which have a wide variety of foundations. Post #4 here has some inexpensive suggestions and some links to other posts with even more options as well. Most outlets sell a foundation which is suitable for their mattress but ordering one separately can also make sense if the value for a similar model is significantly better.

I don't know of any set of plans to build your own although I'm sure there are probably lots that will come up with a google search. If you find any that look particularly good, it would be great to post the link in the thread as there are probably others who may want to go in this direction. With good wire grid foundations available for well under $200 and slatted wood foundations available for under $300 ... there would need to be a real financial incentive to build your own but it may be well worthwhile for some who likes going in this direction.

Phoenix

PS: Rocky Mountain Mattress became a member of the site on April 16th, 2012 :)
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