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Need to decide on ticking before placing order 11 Apr 2013 23:30 #11

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Curious, what is a "two sided construction" and what's the purpose of placing a softer layer at the bottom?

If this is to allow flipping of the mattress to get even wear, then the mattress I've been looking at at foam sweet foam may work.

Example: I can get the 4 - 3" layers with Soft/Med/Firm/Extra Firm....I could use the soft layer at the top if we prefer the soft and place the med layer at the bottom beneath the firm & extra firm layers. Or I could use the med layer at the top if we prefer the med and place the soft layer at the bottom beneath the firm & extra firm layers. Thoughts?

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Need to decide on ticking before placing order 12 Apr 2013 03:48 #12

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Hi Mick04u,

A two sided mattress is a mattress that has a support core in the middle and then identical comfort layers, quilting, and ticking on each side. They can be flipped for more even wear and greater durability because you are only using each side for half the time and it gives the unused layer time to recover somewhat.

The soft on the bottom is more of a liability than a benefit and needs to be taken into account in terms of how it interacts with the rest of the mattress and the people on it. It's just a side effect of a two sided design where there will always be a softer "comfort layer" on the bottom and is just one of the tradeoffs involved in every mattress design.

Example: I can get the 4 - 3" layers with Soft/Med/Firm/Extra Firm....I could use the soft layer at the top if we prefer the soft and place the med layer at the bottom beneath the firm & extra firm layers. Or I could use the med layer at the top if we prefer the med and place the soft layer at the bottom beneath the firm & extra firm layers. Thoughts?


One of the advantages of a component mattress is that you can re-arrange layers to change the feel but these are meant to be one sided not two sided. I would choose an initial layering that is the most likely to work for you (in consultation with the manufacturer) and then use the ability to re-arrange or exchange layers as a fine tuning backup. Again ... these are not meant to be two sided and you would lose much of the flexibility of the design if you tried to use it that way. They have their own durability advantages including the ability to replace a layer that softens faster than the rest without having to replace the whole mattress.

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Need to decide on ticking before placing order 10 Apr 2014 08:28 #13

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Hi Mick04u,

A two sided mattress is a mattress that has a support core in the middle and then identical comfort layers, quilting, and ticking on each side. They can be flipped for more even wear and greater durability because you are only using each side for half the time and it gives the unused layer time to recover somewhat.

The soft on the bottom is more of a liability than a benefit and needs to be taken into account in terms of how it interacts with the rest of the mattress and the people on it. It's just a side effect of a two sided design where there will always be a softer "comfort layer" on the bottom and is just one of the tradeoffs involved in every mattress design.


Interesting, and makes perfect sense. Much the same principle as a two sided coil mattress. You may remember I built a Latex Bliss knock off with 3" of LI talatech 36ILD on the bottom, 3" of 28 over that, 3" of 19 topping it off. I understand that the 19 ILD will wear faster and when it does I'll replace it.

I don't see how you flip such a heavy mattress. I didn't expect the extremely heavy weight from my queen.

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Need to decide on ticking before placing order 10 Apr 2014 15:04 #14

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Hi Mark in Texas,

I don't see how you flip such a heavy mattress. I didn't expect the extremely heavy weight from my queen.


Sometimes it's not easy with a heavy mattress and takes either muscle power (for one person), or preferably "teamwork" (for two people) :)

The good news is that after the initial break in period that you only need to do it once a season and the "flipping" part is only twice a year when you alternate rotating and flipping (see post #2 here ).

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Need to decide on ticking before placing order 19 Jul 2014 07:46 #15

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I am curious about the down alternative material that was used. Is it the same that is used in down alternative comforters? This must give a very soft-to-the-skin feel to the top of the mattress?

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Need to decide on ticking before placing order 19 Jul 2014 12:49 #16

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Hi magpie,

Is it the same that is used in down alternative comforters?


There are many versions of "down alternative" materials (see post #10 here ) but they are all somewhat similar to the down alternative materials that are used in many mattress pads which are versions of polyester fiber (which would tend to be more dense than the same materials used in a comforter which aren't designed to bear weight). They tend to be soft yes but how they feel in any specific mattress depends on the amount and specifics of the material and on how they interact with all the other layers and components in a mattress because every material and component in a mattress will have some effect on all the other layers and components in a mattress. For example the same type of mattress cover may feel very firm if there were firmer layers underneath it and may feel very soft with softer layers underneath it but it does provide a soft "hand feel" to the mattress.

Our mattress is certainly in the "soft" side of the range although softness and firmness is always subjective and relative to the person so some people may find it firmer than we do.

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Need to decide on ticking before placing order 19 Jul 2014 14:54 #17

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Thank you for your reply, Phoenix. I've often thought that the materials used in synthetic sleeping bags would make great surfaces for mattresses. They don't seem to permanently compress like cotton and wool do over time, are very soft so as not to put any pressure on the skin (I'm thinking fibromyalgia sufferers that are very sensitive) and yet provide more support than down ever could. But the use of materials like quallofil and hollofil doesn't seem to be too popular in the mattress-making industry., so what do I know. ;)

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Need to decide on ticking before placing order 19 Jul 2014 16:03 #18

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Hi magpie,

The upper layers or quilting materials in a mattress aren't really for support (which comes from the deeper layers in a mattress) but more about the "feel" or pressure relief of a mattress. There is more about quilting materials in post #12 here and the posts it links to and there is more about the differences between primary support, secondary support, pressure relief, and "feel" in post #4 here .

The "art and science" of mattress design can be very complex and it can be difficult to predict the effect of a single component or material because all the layers and materials in a mattress will affect all the other layers and materials in the mattress and there are many versions of every type of material that can also make a significant difference so it's generally much easier to test a mattress and use your personal experience on the "combined effect" of all the layers and materials to decide whether a mattress is a good match for you in terms of PPP rather than trying to predict the effect of any individual material or component.

There are many mattresses that use synthetic polyester fibers as part of the quilting layers so it's not at all unusual to find these in a mattress.

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Re: Need to decide on ticking before placing order 19 Aug 2015 02:23 #19

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Phoenix it sounds like a Mattress I would love. We bought a 3" Latex Topper in 20 ILD we have had it 7 years ...maybe a little longer I am sunking into it a bit to much , causing my lower back to go out. Yes we flipped it every which way. My weight has changed, due to quiiting smoking, no I never eat a lot and am hypothyroid so that did not help. And when one quits smoking in 2 or 3 months get your Thyroid checked 85% of smokers whom quit go Hypothyroid. When I weighted 110 or 124, I was ok. Now at 145 to 150 has really effected me. My thyroid is being adjusted so hopefully some weight will come off.

I am thinking with my RA Arthritis that occured after a accident we were in sitting she hit us hard she was drunk, brought on RA in 6 weeks stress will dio that , did get over the worst, now that I am older my hips are bother me too with the sinking. My husband does not care as he sleeps easy almost anywhere, he like Soft to Extremely hard. Wish we all could adjust like he has with sleeping on anything. I loved the Latex Topper, but fear getting one to hard and or to soft! I do not see varibles, just 20 , 30 and 40. I dislike that idea of not getting the right Latex Topper, and returns. I do not like to do returns!
Would like to get another Mattress , or New Latex Topper. Just not sure which place is the best. I need to find your list...Sleep on latex! Do you know anything about them Phoenix? Right now I fear jumping to fast on anything but sure dislike suffering. Thanks you such a delight , honesty and integrity you have both and are admired. Your replys are appreciate more then you will ever know. Son surely needs a New Topper too he has Scolosis. Bought the Mattresses in early 2009. Link below is the Sleep on Latex, sure we might get what we pay for. .
sleeponlatex.com/collections/latex-mattress-toppers/products/natural-latex-mattress-topper. Thank you so much!

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Re: Need to decide on ticking before placing order 19 Aug 2015 02:34 #20

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Sorry meant to ask too. Can a Tight New Mattress Cover that is padded , it does fit tight....effect the Latex Foam feel?

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