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Seeking Guidance on a New Plush Mattress 01 Oct 2022 16:28 #1

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Hello:

I have been working my way through the materials on your site- thank you so much for putting this guide together and offering your help on this forum. This site is a great resource!

Some quick facts- I am a side sleeper, I sleep by myself, and am 5’5”, 150 lbs.

I had a Sealy Posturepedic Plush twin size mattress for 16+ years (The full tag reads Body True Sealy Posturepedic Peaceful Slumber Plush). It served me very, very well. The bed had great comfort- it was very cozy as soon as I laid down. In addition, I always felt like it had great support. The last two years I had been waking up with some mild shoulder pain, which I believed to be a message that it was time for a new mattress. I also deal with neck pain, which I don’t attribute to my bed, but want to be careful that my mattress doesn’t make it worse. In order to buy some time while shopping, I purchased a soft Dunlop 3 in mattress topper from Sleep On Latex, which I really enjoyed, as well.

I researched for quite some time. My goals were and remain 1) a quality mattress that is comfortable, supportive, and gives me a great night’s sleep 2) ideally made of natural or at least certified non-hazardous materials.

I wound up purchasing a Naturepedic EOS Classic queen mattress (soft latex, plush coils on both sides) after trying it in a showroom. I also purchased a Reverie adjustable base. I have been sleeping on it for about 45 days now. All the mattress components appear to be high quality, but all together, the experience has been underwhelming. I don’t have the same feeling of comfort and coziness that I used to have on my Posturepedic. In addition, I don’t think I am being adequately supported. I now often wake up with mild lower back pain. I have asked for someone to look at my alignment when lying down and they say I am aligned, but I feel like there is some issue with my hips. It feels like it even impacts how my knees align when sleeping on my side. Also, I very occasionally flip over on to my back and don’t feel like my lumbar region is as well supported as it was on my Posturepedic. After having a plush mattress and a plush latex topper, I am confused about why another plush mattress is giving me problems?

I posted a couple weeks ago about another gripe I have- Naturepedic only manufactures the comfort layers in queen sizes and larger in two pieces. I can feel the comfort layer split right down the middle of the bed. It makes for a very “lumpy” and uneven sleeping experience. I purchased a queen mattress with the intention of having more room to spread out. Instead, I am limited to one side or another- a smaller sleeping surface than my old twin.

I have a few thoughts/options that I am hoping to run by you:

• I ordered the free comfort layer swap on the Naturepedic to go up to the medium latex comfort layer. If that is too hard and/or I can still feel the split down the middle, I will be returning the Naturepedic. I am already leaning in that direction, but want to make sure I try all the options that are available to me first.

• I thought a hybrid mattress would be a good fit (I liked the latex topper on top of my old innerspring), but now I am questioning that. Another hybrid mattress I am looking at is the Nest Owl Latex Hybrid Mattress. In many ways, it seems very similar to the Naturepedic. On the plus side, the latex layer is seamless, which eliminates my split concern. On the downside, I am wondering if they are too similar. After reading your guide, I did some research on the coils in each:
o Naturepedic EOS Classic plush coils: 910 coils, gauge 15.5.
o Owl: 852 coils, gauge 15.5 with the edge coils being reinforced at 16
If I go this route, I am contemplating plush vs. medium comfort layer. I am hoping my Naturepedic layer swap experiment will help me with this decision if I go this route.

• Since I enjoyed the innerspring for so many years, I am wondering about just going that route. I have no idea what else was in the Sealy Posturepedic mattress, and I imagine even if I knew it wouldn’t be very helpful, given the advances and changes in the industry over the past 16 years. Part of me is wondering- why not just get another Sealy Posturepedic? I went to the store I bought my original one at, and they showed me the closest version. It felt comfortable to me. The foam layers are Certi-PUR certified, which was something. Also, I would have a 100-night guarantee and be able to purchase a new mattress (from the same store) if I am not happy.

• I am also thinking of other innersprings. A popular brand in my region is Gold Bond. A lot of the mom and pop mattress stores carry them. They seem to have a lot of different models, even a variety of plush models. My concern is that they don’t offer any details on if their layers have obtained any safety certifications. I reached out via email and never got a response. In trying to apply your guidance, I also have trouble discerning if they use quality components based on the information on their website. I have not yet tested these in stores. Another concern is that the mom and pop stores don’t offer any returns. I am wary of getting stuck with something I don’t like.

• Are there other reliable innerspring models you recommend that may be similar to my experience with my beloved Sealy Posturepedic? Any other thoughts? I did purchase a Reverie adjustable base with the Naturepedic, so am looking for a mattress that is adjustable base friendly.

Thank you for your help and suggestions!

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Seeking Guidance on a New Plush Mattress 01 Oct 2022 21:05 #2

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Hey!

Im not an expert….but relaying my experience as a mattress buyer. I have back pain too.

I think your plush is comfortable, but you sink down too far near hips/butt. You need a firmer mattress. I was checking out posturre.com. Yes, 2r”s. They are physical therapists that recommend mattresses for back pain. They recommend Sleep Number C2, Air Weave, BeautyRest Black Class L Extra Firm. They dont like memory foam for back pain.

I did try air mattresss Air Pedic that trumps SN because it has 3 chambers foot, head and hips/lower back. Imagine being able to adjust back firmness with a button!!!! SN only has 1 chamber and will hammock.

Innerspring?
Aireloom Preferred Luxetop M1/M2 Firm or plush. Or Streamlined Luxury Firm. SLF is besting selling in Aireloom line because perfect firmness. I say for you…1-SLF, 2-M1 Luxetop Firm, 3-M2 Luxetop Firm. M1 means 1 layer of microcoils. M2 means 2 layer microcoils. More is not better. Firm or plush refers to spring gauge. Pay attention to how far your hips sink in. I would stay away from plush…..but try it out. I think you will love SLF. SLF is the best “hotel” mattress. I tried Aireloom Preferred alongside VISpring going up to $30k. I liked Aireloom better!!!

Or Air Pedic. I went to Selectabed/Air Pedic factory showroom. Dont automatically think “Air Pedic 1000 is better than Air Pedic 500” Rge number refers to how much memory foam on top of air bladder. AP 500 has 3 inches. AP 1000 had 6 inches. With back pain, you might be better off with less memory foam. I liked AP 500 and 600 the best. AP 1000 had too much memory foam. I think AP 800 is good, but no floor sample. I was impressed!!!!

Let me know what you pick!!!

John

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Seeking Guidance on a New Plush Mattress 01 Oct 2022 21:11 #3

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You said you wanted a “plush” mattress. When trying Airelooms (or any other)….ignore the names. I found M1 Luxetop Firm to be quite plush feeling. Dont focus on the model name….focus on how mattress feels. Your mattress does not need the word “plush” in model name. Your mattress simply needs to feel plush even though model name might say “firm”!!! Ignore the tags!!!

1 or 2 mattresses to rule the world? Aireloom Preferred M1 Luxetop Firm or Aireloom Streamline (tight top) Luxury Firm. These 2 will make 80% of people happy. The other 20% is quite hard to please.

John

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Seeking Guidance on a New Plush Mattress 03 Oct 2022 04:17 #4

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Thank you, John- appreciate your replies! I will check out the Airelooms. I think your advice "Dont focus on the model name….focus on how mattress feels" makes a lot of sense, especially with the example you gave of the SLF and the experience I am having with the 2 plush mattresses. Although, I must say, I thought I was at least narrowing down the dizzying array of options by looking only at plush- everything's back on the table! :woohoo:

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Seeking Guidance on a New Plush Mattress 05 Oct 2022 21:45 #5

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as i mentioned in your other thread, check the directionality of your support coils and make sure the comfort layers are snugly pushed together.

re: your lack of enthusiasm for the latex feel… i was in the ame boat… i loved the feel in the showroom of the config i chose … plush support and medium latex, but in actual sleeping, never got comfortable. until i did a layer swap for medium microcoils. mid blown. it was so comfortable and supportive. super plush feeling but with a super dynamic support. super cool sleeping. been 6 years and still as comfortable as the day i bought it. no sagging, no compression, other than the problem i mentioned in your other thread, its been the best mattress i’ve ever owned and fully expect it to be a 20+ year mattress.

one more not on comfort and feeling the separation. i should mention that in lieu of a waterproof cover, i opted for a felted wool moisture pad and a saint dormier mattress pad on top of that. both of those together add a little bit of separation betrwwen me and the comfort layer. but even without those i dont feel the separation.

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Seeking Guidance on a New Plush Mattress 06 Oct 2022 17:44 #6

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Thanks again for your replies! One question for you on this one- you mentioned a swap for medium microcoils. I thought there were only 2 coil options- plush or firm (and I didn't think they were microcoils?, but I may be wrong about the terminology). Is there another option I am missing?

Thanks again.

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Seeking Guidance on a New Plush Mattress 06 Oct 2022 21:27 #7

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Not sure about microcoils with other guy.

But with Aireloom Preferred Luxetop M1 firm and plush, and M2 firm and plush….. Firm and plush refer to the spring. M1 means 1 layer of microcoils and M2 refers to 2 layers of microcoils. It would be natural to think “go with M2 because it is 2 times better!!!”. Dont think link that. There is such a thing as too much microcoils that cause hips to sink down too fat creating pain. Or M2 might be great for you. Fior me, M1 Luxury Firm felt best. M2 felt nice but my hips sank down too far. Streamline Luxury Firm has same spring as M1 Firm, but no microcoils. SLF felt more supportive for lower back when back sleeping. M1 Firm felt softer amd more comfortable. Trying to make a decision here!!!! M2 Firm amd M2 Plush is more for side sleepers.

John

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Seeking Guidance on a New Plush Mattress 12 Oct 2022 00:07 #8

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there are indeed two choices for the SUPPORT coils (bottom 8”)… plush and firm. i was referenceing the COMFORT layer (top 3”). latex is standard, but a lesser known “latex free” alternative is a microcoil comfort layer… thousands of half dollar sized springs. after a month of trying to like the feel of latex i decided to try the microcoils. so my final config… plush support coils and medium microcoils in lieu of the latex. instant relief to the aches and discomfort from the latex.

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Seeking Guidance on a New Plush Mattress 12 Oct 2022 00:15 #9

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Deux,

Which mattress of yours had microcoils? Where did you get them? Do you have an Aireloom M1 or M2?

The M1 Luxetop Firm Microcoils are nice!!! But M1 has latex too!!! Im trying to decide between M1 Luxetop Firm and Streamline Luxury Firm. With my lower back pain, I think SLF feels better. I cant deny that M1 Firm is deliciously comfortable, but my hips might be sinking down too far.

John

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Seeking Guidance on a New Plush Mattress 12 Oct 2022 18:01 #10

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Aha! Thanks for the clarification! Wow, I can't believe I never saw that microcoils were a possible comfort layer option. Out of curiosity, since you also chose the plush support coils- what made you go with the medium microcoils instead of the soft microcoils, which I see are also offered? I will have to inquire about this layer. I just swapped mine with another latex, and am not sure if I get multiple comfort layer swaps during the 90 days, or if I just used up my option.

John- FYI, we're talking about the Naturepedic EOS classic. Layer options here: www.naturepedic.com/newlayers-queen

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