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Starting over after failed Latex mattress 17 Jul 2022 10:48 #1

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Six months of trying to get the Talalay customizable mattress to work for me and I'm pretty miserable. I just returned from a week vacation and slept in the most comfortable hotel bed, firm and comfortable, and felt amazing, slept great. Came home and have been miserable ever since with body aches and less quality sleep.

I bought the mattress directly from the manufacturer (in canada) with various layers, purchased an extra 19 ILD as a topper, that didn't work. Bought a convoluted Talalay latex topper (2"), that doesn't help. And a Ghost bed gel foam topper that is too thick (3") and causes too much sinkage. None are returnable.

I don't want the latex. I don't like the way it feels at all. It's too bouncy, not enough give, too hard and too soft with toppers. So please no advice on how to fix this issue by trying additional latex layers or zoning. I'm going to try and sell it possibly, depending on what I try next.

I'm just not sure what to try next. I'm 5'2", 125 lbs, side sleeper. Female. Most weight is in hip area. Old upper back injury, right shoulder pains (although thats' improving with physio). I generally prefer a firm mattress with a plush pillowtop.

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I would be willing to try a Hybrid pocketed/zoned coil with a Latex layer. And then possibly a pillow top? I don't want the top layer to be latex. And i wonder if I can use any of the components I have already.

**A few additional points:
-I'm single, and have been sleeping on a Queen.
-I like to sleep close to the edge - so edge support is ideal, but not a deal breaker.
-I prefer motion isolation.
-BREATHABILITY - that is a deal breaker. I've tried various foam toppers and already sleep hot, and they were unbearable for my peri-menopausal years.
-Ideally a good return policy, at least 100 nights.
-Ability to open the cover to change layers.
-I'm ok if I have to replace a top layer every few years as long as the rest remains supportive.
-I'm in Canada so don't want to deal with shipping/returns to U.S. (I'm not willing to deal with cross border shopping either.)

I'm looking at GHOSTBED. Flex or Matrix.

FLEX:
Ghost Ice cover
.5 Cooling Fiber
.5 gel foam
1" bounce layer
1.5" gel
Coils (3" I think, it doesn't state but given it's 13", I'm assuming)
7" High Density foam support layer (I don't know what kind of foam is used here)

MATRIX:
Ghost Ice cooling cover
3D Matrix Polymer gel foam (no mention of thickness)
2" Gel memory foam
Ghost Bounce Layer (thickness ?)
3D Matrix Sof foam transition layer (thickness ?)
Coils (Doesn't say how high, bed is 12" total)
1" High Density Foam (not sure what type of foam this is)

I don't think I can change the layers on these. I'm also concerned about sagginess with so much foam layering. There is 7" high density foam in the Flex but only 1" in the Matrix. Maybe the Flex would last longer?

NATURAL:
Organic cotton cover
1.8 oz Wool layer
2" Talalay
8" Coils
1" Dunlop base

The Natural has a top Talalay layer which I don't want. I don't think but not sure if it would have the bounce feel I don't like with Talalay.

THANK YOU!

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Starting over after failed Latex mattress 18 Jul 2022 07:50 #2

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Anyone know why there is an icon of a telephone next to my post and a greyed out flag? Wondering if something I wrote was "flagged?"

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Starting over after failed Latex mattress 20 Jul 2022 13:21 #3

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Hi Lu1968 .

The telephone icon lets us know your post still needs answering :)

I read through your post and I'm sorry your last mattress purchase didn't go as planned. Completely understandable that you'd prefer to scrap the materials and start with something new.

Looking at the GhostBed options you're considering, the Matrix is likely to offer a firmer feel because of the coils. I can't speak to the durability of the foam as I'm unsure of your specific stats, but if you are within what would be considered a 'normal' BMI range, you'd be unlikely to see premature breakdown from GhostBed products.

Hopefully others in Canada will be able to weigh in with their opinions, as well.

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Starting over after failed Latex mattress 20 Aug 2022 14:38 #4

I don't have a solution for you but I am on the same journey. We got a $3K 100% talalay latex bed and spent 3 years trying to love it (including buying pocketed intercoils as a base layer) and we wake up aching every day. Following a 2 week trip where we stayed at four different places, all with traditional interspring mattresses, we have realized that we felt GREAT there and we have to get rid of this latex bed. We have come to hate it. I liked the natural idea and the durability but it is just not for it. It's too hard or too soft and isnt good for two people together either. For us anyway.

I consistently find when I ask about a bed I like it is usually the "beautyrest or beautyrest black". I will assume these are hospitality models and I have my finger hovering over the trigger but they are not returnable so I was hoping to find and sleep on the exact model in a hotel to be sure, so far no luck. I'm getting very close to doing this anyway. TBH I dont even care if we have to replace it every 3-5 years and pay $2200 over and over I just want a decent night sleep. So sick of this journey.

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Starting over after failed Latex mattress 20 Aug 2022 14:58 #5

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Relieved to know someone else is in the same boat, but sorry you're dealing with the latex issue. I think its so overrated.

I just ordered a Logan & Cove, hybrid. Figured I better stop wasting money trying to fix something that will never work at this point, and just try a whole new mattress. They have a decent return policy and it seems easy enough.

I don't think you'll find the same model as a hotel. They are never the same. Someone on here will probably pipe in with a million links to long explanations about hotel models using cheap foam toppers that are replaced frequently, etc etc. But, whatever works for you, only you will know.

I"ll post on my L&C after a few nights and onward.

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Starting over after failed Latex mattress 22 Aug 2022 06:41 #6

I'd love to hear a review on your new mattress.
I'm using a 6" talalay mattress and after 4 years I can't get comfortable. It broke the bank for us and now I"m trying to fix the nightly discomfort with a Talalay Topper which is hugely expensive and scary if it doesn't work.

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Starting over after failed Latex mattress 22 Aug 2022 07:40 #7

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Oh, I did that. Kept buying toppers that didn't help. I purchased another 2" 19 ILD Talalay from the manufacturer at their suggestion. Then bought a 2" convoluted 19" Talalay which was crazy expensive. Didn't help. Then purchased a Ghost zoned topper, which might have helped more if it wasn't 3" thick. All that $$ down the drain.

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Starting over after failed Latex mattress 22 Aug 2022 07:52 #8

I have to agree. We shipped additional layers, we bought inter-springs, we rearranged the layers endless times. It's been 3 years. We probably have $4.5k in this bed but we are done. The latex feels like it's comfortable when you first lay on it, but we toss and turn at night and wake up aching- either we have a soft config and the lower back aches or we firm it up and the hips and shoulder ache- its impossible. So I would not add Talalay when you already don't like your latex bed. I've got 12 inches of Talalay and it makes no difference.

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Starting over after failed Latex mattress 24 Aug 2022 10:26 #9

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Just received the Logan and Cove!

First report is here

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Starting over after failed Latex mattress 26 Aug 2022 09:03 #10

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Many thanks for sharing this with our community!

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