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Having trouble deciding between two mattresses 26 Sep 2018 20:10 #1

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I have a really low budget and am in desperate need of a bed replacement. I also need to buy sheets because the old bed damaged them. I want to get a frame to replace the old broken boxspring too. That means I intend on spending about $115 on sheets and a frame, $40 and $75 respectively.

I have a budget of about $300-350 for a mattress. The cost being on the higher end means I need to wait more and slowly build up funds. I can't make very much money very quickly and it's rare that I have extra to spare. I've been sleeping on this damaged bed over a year... so yes I know that it's better to wait and buy a more pricey bed but this isn't an option for me.

Weight: 350 lbs. and dropping.
Height: 6'3" and not getting any taller by my age.
Mattress Size: Queen
Climate: Hot & Humid (need bed that doesn't trap heat but I do have window A/C and Vornado)

Originally I was going to go for a the Linenspa 10" Latex Hybrid or the LUCID 10" Latex Hybrid because it didn't seem like I could find anything better than this in my price range. They were willing to communicate with me and companies like Zinus, Signature Sleep/Olee don't really respond or fail to comprehend basic English.

I've discovered some concerning things regarding mold that I hadn't noticed before. I never wanted to buy from Asia... I of course wanted to buy American made but didn't think I could afford that.

Turns out Brooklyn Bedding has a brand called Dreamfoam and they make their beds in Phoenix, AZ. They happen to have a couple beds in my price range:

www.amazon.com/Dreamfoam-Bedding-Two-Sided-Pocketed-Mattress/dp/B016NELUX2 (no longer listed on their website)
www.amazon.com/Dreamfoam-Bedding-10-Inch-Cooling-Mattress/dp/B07CYGLSBF (manufacturer link: www.dreamfoambedding.com/product/arctic-dreams-mattress/?attribute_mattress-type=Hybrid)

(Notes on prices later)

Right from the start it's nice to have something made in America not only due to quality control and materials but supporting the country by buying American. Secondly, they have a 120 day sleep trial where LUCID/Linenspa only had a 30-day which was basically a 2-day due to their restrictions and shipping/processing time. It appears Dreamfoam is better at handling returns too.

The first mattress is flippable and in my head this means it has the potential to last longer, provided I properly flip and rotate the mattress as necessary. I would rather not have to do all that but if it's what I need to do in order to get something quality that lasts then it'll have to do. I'm concerned about the quality due to the price being so low but I understand they're a subsidiary of Brooklyn Bedding and they own their own manufacturing factories. It makes sense that they would be able to provide a quality, no-frills product at the lower end to compliment their higher end offerings from their main brand, even if they do it at a loss just to improve their recognition. Because of that combined with the fact it's an American brand, it automatically gets more trust with such low-ball prices. I'm also concerned that due to it having only thin foam on both sides and some springs that maybe due to weight it won't be good enough or last long enough.

The second one isn't flippable but I figure rotating it would be a good idea. Obviously that's less work than having to rotate AND flip. The foam concerns me because I'm worried about trapped heat and sinking into the mattress but I have a feeling (and this was later agreed on based on the "opinion of the support employee at Brooklyn Bedding") that the mattress would last longer than the innerspring one, solely based on materials... excluding that it's not double-sided. It having spring and foam makes me think it's best for heavier weights and durability. I've seen plenty of reviews on the regular Arctic Dreams (all foam construction) but none on the Hybrid besides what's available on Walmart and Amazon.

A couple final notes.. If I buy on Amazon the beds only have a 30 day trial because I'd have to return to Amazon and not work directly with Dreamfoam. The Innerspring flippable mattress isn't available anymore on the Dreamfoam website but the Hybrid one is. It's cheaper to buy the Hybrid on their site and I'd get the full warranty. It's easy to get 10% off year-round on Dreamfoam's website and they don't charge tax or shipping.

That means the cheapest I can get the "Arctic Dreams Cooling Gel Hybrid Mattress" is $324 which leaves me with about $64 I need to make to get all the things I need.

However, the Dreamfoam flippable innerspring can be found on Walmart's website for $219 which means I could get everything with $ to spare. From what I've read on the Walmart website they don't accept returns if the item was sold by someone else on their site and you'd need to return directly to the seller. I'd think this means Dreamfoam would apply their 120 day sleep trial to it but I would check for sure before purchasing.

So just quality-wise, based on my needs, which of the two would be the best choice for longevity?

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Having trouble deciding between two mattresses 27 Sep 2018 12:27 #2

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Hi mattress310,

I looked and saw we had a discussion in early September. You have definitely narrowed down your choices since then, and it looks like you may want something made in the US rather than an import.
Earlier I said this:

To recap
- Innerspring will be cooler than all foam, and over the life of the mattress more supportive.
- If you are shopping based on price, then you need to read as many reviews as possible from people who are similar in build to yourself - 6' 3" and 350 pounds to get a good comparison.
- Check the comfort guarantee and return policies.
- Don't expect exceptional Customer Service and you will never be disappointed.


I understand your budget, and if you are physically able, I would purchase only the mattress and have it on the floor to start (as long as your floor is an even surface). This way you could get the best possible mattress. Then as money allows, add the sheets, then a foundation and finally a frame. There is nothing that says it needs to be purchased at the same time. You just need center support for a queen mattress, and the floor would provide all the support you need.

Any type of innerspring will allow for more airflow than an all foam mattress as I mentioned earlier.
You said

Climate: Hot & Humid (need bed that doesn't trap heat)


The two sided mattress you identified will be firm, as there are no comfort layers in the mattress. Please remember you can always make a mattress softer by adding a topper. They identify that this mattress has 1 layer of 3/4" quilt foam in the top and then a layer of 3/4" base foam. Base foam is usually very firm. They are using it here to make this pocket coil mattress 2 sided. Then they have their 7" individually wrapped pocket coils and the base foam and quilt. This is a very basic mattress. The pocket coils are meant to move independently to support your body, and is recommended for side sleepers.

The Hybrid mattress you identified is made with 3/4" quilt foam, then a 2.5” patented layer of Energex™ foam, a 6" individually wrapped pocket coil spring and 1" of base foam. I am not familiar with the specifications of their patented foam, but having 3" of foam in the top will probably sleep warmer.

In looking at the Amazon reviews on each mattress, I looked at the 1 star and organized by date.

The two sided mattress has 5 one star reviews in 2018, all verified purchasers.

The Hybrid has 17 one star reviews in 2018 with 16 verified purchasers.

I would really pay attention to the return policy when you purchase online. It can be difficult to get an innerpsring mattress back in a box if they want you to return the mattress. Save the box!
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Having trouble deciding between two mattresses 27 Sep 2018 14:32 #3

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To be clear there's no all foam mattress there, only an innerspring and a foam + innerspring.

The return policy at Brooklyn Bedding is that they will arrange a pickup by a local charity and give a full refund. Since I have no intention of buying via Amazon and the 120-day trial is supported by a Walmart purchase I won't be locked into the 30-day policy from Amazon. I'd pick up the innerspring at Walmart or the hybrid through Dreamfoam's site.

Also, regarding the reviews.. I have myself looked at all the 1-star reviews and many of the other ones. I'm sure your counting is accurate of 1-star reviews for one vs the 1-star reviews for the other but the innerspring has only 535 reviews and the hybrid has 2,426 reviews.

You may have been assuming I was aware of this and making the point that the innerspring has about 0.94% 1-star reviews and the hybrid has about 1.113% 1-star reviews but either way it's important for a reader to realize the one with over 3 times as many 1-star reviews has over 4.5 times as many reviews in total. So I guess the question becomes if a 0.173% difference is a big deal.

I always consider reviews for things but in the case of mattresses things are more misleading, secretive or any number of other strange things. It's not as simple as researching computer hardware for example. For that reason I come here to ask about design specifics. I appreciate all of your replies and I'm wondering based solely on the construction of each which you think would last longer?

Thanks

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Having trouble deciding between two mattresses 27 Sep 2018 14:59 #4

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Hi mattress310,

I just wanted to point out things that I focus on.

Not knowing the specifications of their patented Energex™ foam, I cannot tell how long you can expect it to last. I would contact the company and ask for the density of the foam. Anything 1.8 or higher is considered high density. Foam usually fails before springs.

One mattress has a 6" pocket coil spring and one has a 7" pocket coil spring. You can find out the number of turns in each coil and the wire gauge. If they have taken the 6" and stretched it to 7" then the 6" would last longer. Knowing the gauge of wire (usually above 14 for pocket coil) number of coils and height will help you understand the difference between the two springs. We can help you understand the information if they will provide it.

A call to Brooklyn Bedding or Dreamfoam should answer a lot of your questions. Hopefully they can talk to you specifically about the two mattresses and make recommendations based on your height, weight and sleep style.

I think my preference is side-sleeping since I tend to do that a lot when I'm conscious but when I wake up I'm almost always on my back or side.


More foam will equate to more heat - having the innerspring in each unit will help with airflow.
The less parts in any mattress means it usually lasts longer (so the 2 sided bed) because there is less that can fail. None of this matters if you are not comfortable. Call the company, ask the questions and get their input.

I wish you much success in finding a great mattress.

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Having trouble deciding between two mattresses 27 Sep 2018 16:18 #5

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Hi mattress310,

I just wanted to point out things that I focus on.

Not knowing the specifications of their patented Energex™ foam, I cannot tell how long you can expect it to last. I would contact the company and ask for the density of the foam. Anything 1.8 or higher is considered high density. Foam usually fails before springs.

One mattress has a 6" pocket coil spring and one has a 7" pocket coil spring. You can find out the number of turns in each coil and the wire gauge. If they have taken the 6" and stretched it to 7" then the 6" would last longer. Knowing the gauge of wire (usually above 14 for pocket coil) number of coils and height will help you understand the difference between the two springs. We can help you understand the information if they will provide it.

A call to Brooklyn Bedding or Dreamfoam should answer a lot of your questions. Hopefully they can talk to you specifically about the two mattresses and make recommendations based on your height, weight and sleep style.

I think my preference is side-sleeping since I tend to do that a lot when I'm conscious but when I wake up I'm almost always on my back or side.


More foam will equate to more heat - having the innerspring in each unit will help with airflow.
The less parts in any mattress means it usually lasts longer (so the 2 sided bed) because there is less that can fail. None of this matters if you are not comfortable. Call the company, ask the questions and get their input.

I wish you much success in finding a great mattress.

Debbie Lewis


For the Innerspring 9" flippable I was told that they (customer support) don't have access to the information and that bed is from before she started working there. She said she "doesn't think" the springs are stretched to 7" and unsure about the gauge of the coils as they don't sell or make the bed anymore. She gave me the email of the manager so I could contact him and find the specifics as she was unable to transfer me to him since he was out on vacation. The coil count is available on the Amazon listing and it's 1,015. The foam density also wasn't available due to the oldness of the mattress and was also one of the things the manager should be able to help me with.

For the Hybrid Arctic I was able to find much more information. Also, she told me that they make the bed when it's ordered through their site so that it's a freshly made mattress. The coil count on that is also available on their website and it's 1,024. I was told since the bed is rather new (which makes sense since there are no non-Amazon reviews for it but plenty for the original Arctic) the support agents don't have the information on the gauge of the wires (but again I can contact the manager for that) but she said if she had to guess she'd say 13-14 gauge. As for foam density she said the Energex foam (2.5") is 3.5 lbs. and the HD polyfoam (1") is 1.5 lbs.

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Having trouble deciding between two mattresses 28 Sep 2018 09:25 #6

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Hi mattress310,

I will be interested in hearing what information the manager will share with you.
The foam specifications are average.
3.5 pound memory foam and 1.5 pound base foam are what you would expect in a mattress at this price point.
Again, I wish you much success in finding a mattress that gets you restful and restorative sleep.

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Having trouble deciding between two mattresses 01 Oct 2018 09:25 #7

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The manager got back to me with answers to my questions. I'll put those specifications plus the ones I posted before all in lists here from top to bottom.

Queen sized flippable innerspring:
  • 3/4" foam in knit cover
  • 3/4" HD polyfoam (1.5 lbs.)
  • 1,015 individually wrapped coils of 15.5 gauge
  • 6" coil depth (diagram says 7, so stretched right?)
  • 3/4" HD polyfoam (1.5 lbs.)
  • 3/4" foam in knit cover

Queen sized Hybrid:
  • 3/4" "ultra-soft quilted top"
  • 2.5" Energex foam (3.5 lbs.) - cooling infused
  • 1,024 individually encased coils* of 15.5 gauge
  • 6" coil depth
  • 1" HD polyfoam (1.5 lbs.)

*I realized that the site says "up to 1,024" and the sizes go up to King/CA King but the one I'm looking at is a Queen so the coil count should be less than 1,024. I'll contact the manager and ask but I'm guessing it's around 1,015.

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Having trouble deciding between two mattresses 01 Oct 2018 09:49 #8

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Hi mattress310,

Good for you realizing they stated the maximum springs by saying "up to" and that would refer to a king size.
They gave you good detailed information on the mattresses, and again it is what we would expect at that price point. 1.5 density foam is not HD (high Density). True HD starts at 1.8 pound.

Ask if they will give you the other number in the foam - the soft/firm number. For example, if they said 1.528 that would be a 1.5 pound density with an ILD (or soft/firm rating) of 28 which is considered soft. 33 is typically the starting number for medium, and above 38 you start to get into firm.

I'm expecting medium to firm numbers for these beds. Remind the manager you are a side sleeper and ask which they think would be the best bed for your sleep style. You can also ask for their recommendations based on your budget and sleep style to see if there is a bed in their lineup that you are not aware of.

Remember, the more work you do now the better chance in getting a mattress that works well for you!

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Having trouble deciding between two mattresses 01 Oct 2018 09:52 #9

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1.5 density foam is not HD (high Density). True HD starts at 1.8 pound.


I guess it's not standardized because here it states otherwise: www.themattressunderground.com/mattresses/comfort-layers/polyurethane-foam.html

Ask if they will give you the other number in the foam - the soft/firm number. For example, if they said 1.528 that would be a 1.5 pound density with an ILD (or soft/firm rating) of 28 which is considered soft. 33 is typically the starting number for medium, and above 38 you start to get into firm.


Will do.

I'm expecting medium to firm numbers for these beds. Remind the manager you are a side sleeper and ask which they think would be the best bed for your sleep style. You can also ask for their recommendations based on your budget and sleep style to see if there is a bed in their lineup that you are not aware of.

Remember, the more work you do now the better chance in getting a mattress that works well for you!


Thanks very much

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Having trouble deciding between two mattresses 01 Oct 2018 09:58 #10

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hi mattress310,

I am of the school that believes that HD only starts at 1.8, and 1.5 is a price point foam.
There is no way to really get 1.8 pound foam at your price point. Nothing wrong with that, just more information.

High Density polyfoam (HD): This is polyfoam that has a density of 1.5 lbs per cubic foot or more although 1.8 lbs is a better guideline and would generally considered to be the bottom end of high quality polyfoam.


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