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I've been shopping for a new mattress and I was hoping to get some advice.
Our personal preference is a hybrid mattress with a traditional pillow top feel with no synthetic foams (i.e. polyurethane and memory foams etc.) We also prefer a higher mattress height 10" and higher.

We tried out the Firm Bloom latex hybrid mattress from Brooklyn Bedding and were ready to purchase. Unfortunately, it has a 1" layer of high density foam on the bottom, which is the only factor keeping us from buying this mattress. We're trying to minimize off-gassing. Are there any other mattresses that are similar to the Bloom?
Things we really liked about the Bloom:
Pillowtop- 1.25" Joma Wool and cotton quilted top (We love the feel of the top of this mattress, we've tried others, but this feels great for us)
The height- I believe it's around 13.5"
Firmness-3" Talalay latex (customer service claims an ILD of 36) and Leggett and Platt coils.

Things we don't like:
Certipur certification. We prefer GOTS, GOLS, and Greenguard.
But I guess since they have the high density foam they wouldn't receive this certification. They claim that have Class 1 Oeko Tek certification for the latex.

Runner Ups:
Sleep EZ Luxerion
Things we don't like:
Again no GOTS, GOLS, and Greenguard. Only Certipur certified, which I under is by the polyurethane industry. Not sure if there are more synthetics hidden in the mattress.

Reviews complaining that their latex is lighter than other companies and therefore less durable.

No pillowtop.
Mattress height is only 10"
Latex is softer, but they did offer to customize

We are also thinking about checking out the Estate 5000 and St. Regis mattresses at Charles P. Rogers.
But again, they are certified by Certipur, which we feel isn't enough for us personally.

We also tried the Avocado and wanted to love it, but even the firm was too squishy feeling and bouncy for us.

Would anyone have any recommendations for us? Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Hey shch,

Thanks for the post.

The Bloom Latex Hybrid, in different firmnesses, is a nice feeling line of mattresses, I was able to lie down on these at the last Las Vegas mattress market. Yes this Talalay is Oeko Tex certified, I do know this is a fact.

I understand your comments on Certipur, all of the decent foam guys have this certification, run by polyfoam companies, etc etc etc. Also noted on "minimizing off-gassing" and noted hybrid preference.

Not sure if you have read all of the certification threads, but there is a good mattress certification post here.

All the latex you are likely to encounter (either Dunlop or Talalay that is made with either natural or synthetic rubber or a blend of both) will also have a reliable certification such as Oeko-Tex, Eco-Institut, Greenguard Gold or C2C and based on actual testing I would consider any type or blend of latex (regardless of whether it is synthetic, natural, or blended) to be a very "safe" material in terms of harmful substances and VOC's (offgassing).

IMO, by choosing a hybrid with only 1" of poly below the coils, you have certainly minimized off-gassing, but of course, this is a personal decision and preference for you. But if your room is properly ventilated, airflow, etc, you would have a very low emmision rate with the Bloom.

Have you asked any of the Mattress Expert members if they have the coil unit with no polyfoam base layer? I know most of these units have the stabilizing base foam below them, not all of them of course.

Thanks,
Sensei

Hello- I'm feeling a little dense and am typically quite savvy with message forums. I can't figure out for the life of me how to post a general information question on the forum? I read through the thread below and am acutally more confused than I was when I first started trying to figure it out.

Is there a step-by-step somewhere on how to post a question?

Hi lheitzman,

Welcome to the forum . Sorry about that we have turned it off for now.

What would you like the subject to be - the same mattress for 4-yr old son? Or you can just get information from the expert forums, as you have asked MGM, LMF, and SleepEZ.

Let me know, and we have no issue starting a new thread for you.

Thanks,
Sensei

Hi, new member here. Can’t figure out how to ask a question. Don't see any way to post a new question! Could only reply to posts.

Hi Embee,

Welcome to the mattress forum .

What is the question, or subject matter, and I will start a new thread. We are doing a lot of back end upgrades, and we have turned off the post new thread button. Let me know, and we can get some help to you.

Thank you.

Sensei

Hello,
I live in Montreal, QC, Canada and am looking to purchase a mattress with one of our local manufacturers. We are indeed very lucky to have so many around the vicinity. My husband and I have gone to visit many of them but are having a very hard time deciding which mattress is a good fit for us. As you can see, I can not ask one expert company in particular from this site. But, I hope someone can help and offer good advice.

I am a female 5'4" and 180 lbs with a BMI of 31. I sleep 60-70% of the time on my side and the rest on my back. I toss and turn throughout the night. I have a lot of pressure points and have a hard time getting comfortable.
My husband is 5'7" and 220 lbs with a BMI of 35. He sleeps about 90% of his time on his back and sometimes on his side. He does not have any other issues and is not very picky.

We currently have an all Talalay Latex mattress that I bought from Literie Provinciale about 9 years ago. It has 6" ILD 36 base and a 2" top layer of ILD 20. I do not like it and never really did for that matter. It feels firm to me when I lie down, I cannot get comfortable. Weirdly, it also seems as though my husband and I sink in a little in the middle of the mattress.

Everywhere we have gone, they tell me that I need a foam mattress with memory foam at the top layer because of how sensitive my body is to the pressure points. I don't really like the feeling of foam. There is no bounce like in a spring/coil mattress, which I miss and like. I tried some hybrid mattresses and like the feeling of them. However, I am afraid that the pressure at which the coils press back against my body will end up hurting me after a few hours on the bed.

My other issue is that I love the feeling of getting into a bed and feeling like I am sleeping on fluffy cotton...without the sinking in feeling like in a traditional memory foam.
Is it possible to find a mattress that will support 2 heavyset/overweight people and keep their spine in good alignment all the while having a really thick and soft top layer and quilt???

Thank you!
Pat

The just right mattress....I have the same question. I have been in Mattress hell since Jan 2019...had natural organic latex, all foam and then also Dunlop Hybrid...Could not get super comfortable. I have had foam hybrids- my back hurt in the lumbar area but shoulders felt great. I have an all foam Winkbeds Memory Lux (new to their line) in Medium. If feels ok, as I am just getting the shoulder area to loosen up for pressure relief - feels ok, but the sales rep there Tells me to rotate every two weeks for the first 30-90 day! Then every 6 mo for the life of the mattress. What is the science behind this?! Does anyone know. Also, I paid over 3k for the top of the line Simmons Beautyrest K-Class Medium. It was a rock up in my shoulder area, but the hips and lumbar were supported and cushioned well. I was so upset over this! It has breatheable right temp memory foam and other layers of hD foam but it was not hot and it was like a big in innerspring mattress feel- like I had always been used to. Why don’t they make a mattress with hip and shoulder relief and also lumbar support?! It is like you can have a soft model with no lumbar support added or the medium that has a lumbar pad or heavier coils there. Weird! I am a side sleeper 5’5” 170 lb female. I sure hope I can just deal with this Winkbed, since I am out over 5k in switching out and buying different mattresses in the last year. Latex did give me the most relief and less pressure with back support- but I was tossing and turning a lot to find the comfy feel- I think maybe if I had tried a talalay layer on top?! Thanks and good luck to you in your search. I love that you have the same concerns so many of us face.

Hey PatG,

Welcome to the TMU Forum ! Thanks for your question.

I live in Montreal, QC, Canada and am looking to purchase a mattress with one of our local manufacturers. We are indeed very lucky to have so many around the vicinity. My husband and I have gone to visit many of them but are having a very hard time deciding which mattress is a good fit for us. As you can see, I can not ask one expert company in particular from this site. But, I hope someone can help and offer good advice.

Congrats on your new mattress shopping journey ! Hope you will find the resources here useful while researching your options. For a brief overview of using the site, I recommend you read several of Phoenix's guides, the Mattress Shopping Tutorial , for planning your shopping process; The basic functions of a mattress-Overview , explaining the mattress as a sleep system and most importantly Five steps to your perfect mattress-Overview , discussing the importance of site visits and "testing", a step you mentioned you and your husband are working on now.

I am a female 5'4" and 180 lbs with a BMI of 31. I sleep 60-70% of the time on my side and the rest on my back. I toss and turn throughout the night. I have a lot of pressure points and have a hard time getting comfortable. My husband is 5'7" and 220 lbs with a BMI of 35. He sleeps about 90% of his time on his back and sometimes on his side. He does not have any other issues and is not very picky. We currently have an all Talalay Latex mattress that I bought from Literie Provinciale about 9 years ago. It has 6" ILD 36 base and a 2" top layer of ILD 20. I do not like it and never really did for that matter. It feels firm to me when I lie down, I cannot get comfortable. Weirdly, it also seems as though my husband and I sink in a little in the middle of the mattress.

I am sorry to hear that your current mattress is causing you discomfort with your pressure points and support difficulty. For the specs you are describing of your Literie Provinciale mattress, a 3" 20 ILD may have been a better comfort layer over the 6" 36 ILD support layer, providing a more supportive "softer" feeling you describe in your preferences. In very general terms, curvier profiles need thicker comfort layers and heavier bodies need thicker and firmer comfort layers with support layers and materials that are also appropriate to the comfort layers and type of construction. Just curious as far as any other triggers in your sleeping environment: what type pillows are you using and what age are they?

Everywhere we have gone, they tell me that I need a foam mattress with memory foam at the top layer because of how sensitive my body is to the pressure points. I don't really like the feeling of foam. There is no bounce like in a spring/coil mattress, which I miss and like. I tried some hybrid mattresses and like the feeling of them. However, I am afraid that the pressure at which the coils press back against my body will end up hurting me after a few hours on the bed.

Memory foam's greatest advantage is generally considered to be its ability to distribute and relieve pressure. This does not mean however that it is dramatically better than other types of foam, such as latex, that in their softer versions are very close to memory foam in their ability to distribute pressure to levels below personal detection for most people. I'm including these links for understanding the differences in the uppermost/ "comfort layer" and underneath/ "support layer" of mattress construction by Phoenix, Mattress comfort layers- Overview and Mattress support cores-Overview . Here you will find details on how different materials function in their different layers within a mattress construction, other consumers following your research may find them useful as well.

My other issue is that I love the feeling of getting into a bed and feeling like I am sleeping on fluffy cotton...without the sinking in feeling like in a traditional memory foam.
Is it possible to find a mattress that will support 2 heavyset/overweight people and keep their spine in good alignment all the while having a really thick and soft top layer and quilt???

You may consider testing a latex hybrid mattress with a 3" latex topper when visiting one of your local manufacturer's showrooms to get an idea of what "feel" the added inch in the comfort layer would provide. Make sure you both have plenty of time to stretch out and "test" each mattress for at least 15 minutes or so. You mention earlier "they tell me that I need a foam mattress with memory foam at the top layer" because of your sensitivity to pressure points; have you liked any of the mattresses that you have tested and if so, which ones are they? Looking forward to hearing more of your research and hope all goes well.

Thanks,
Sensei

I'm also wanting to ask a question: Can someone suggest some options for a high quality flippable pocket coil mattress without comfort layers?

In more detail, I already have a brand new 3" latex topper and I'd like to replace the mattress underneath it with a simple, high quality, possibly flippable king size pocket coil mattress. I don't want any memory foam or other comfort layers but do want it to be structurally sound.