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Alaska Struggles 05 Nov 2017 18:32 #11

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As always, much thanks Phoenix!

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Alaska Struggles 06 Nov 2017 10:59 #12

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Hi Pura Vida,

As always, much thanks Phoenix!


As always, you're welcome!

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Alaska Struggles - Seattle Update 10 Nov 2017 23:31 #13

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Quick update in my search, I think my Seattle trip was successful. I visited Bedrooms and More and Soaring Hearts. Christopher was a huge help and very knowledgeable at Bedrooms and More. She spent two hours with me going over all of their options focusing on comfort and alignment. The woman from Soaring Hearts was very nice and showed me everything they offered. However they seem to focus most on the "natural" and "organic" aspect and only offer options with a Latex base with wool toppers for comfort layers. I discounted this fairly quickly b/c of concerns with long term durability of the wool topper. I seems to be focusing on a latex only bed b/c of durability, longevity, quality, and support.

Bedrooms and More really stressed the importance of double sided mattress due to the ability to flip rather than just rotate. I was under the impression flipping a good quality latex mattress was not a big concern and didn't have a significant effect on durability. Is this a correct assumption?

When I started this process my main focus was on proper alignment but it seems with the better mattress companies like Pure Talalay Bliss this is less of a concern b/c of the quality and they way they are built. From what I can tell/feel regardless of the mattresses (high quality ones anyway) I've tried my alignment seems to be good and comfort has become the focus. Is this correct?

Originally I had no intention or even considered a DYI mattress due to my lack of knowledge and difficulty but with the knowledge and information I've gained from this site a DYI is starting to become my preferred option b/c of the limited options in AK and cost. I just need to find a company that is willing to ship to Alaska for a "reasonable" cost. I'm definitely contacting mattresses.net but need to do some more research on some of the other options recommended from this site. Much thanks as always.

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Alaska Struggles - Seattle Update 11 Nov 2017 11:26 #14

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Hi Pura Vida,

Quick update in my search, I think my Seattle trip was successful. I visited Bedrooms and More and Soaring Hearts


I’m glad you had a successful shopping trip in Seattle. :)

I discounted this fairly quickly b/c of concerns with long term durability of the wool topper. I seems to be focusing on a latex only bed b/c of durability, longevity, quality, and support.


While latex is a good quality and durable material, so is wool. It is one of the most durable natural fibers. While wool will naturally compact a bit over time (up to 30%), it will still remain a durable comfort layer.

I was under the impression flipping a good quality latex mattress was not a big concern and didn't have a significant effect on durability. Is this a correct assumption?


All foams soften a bit with use over time, even latex, and the ability to flip a mattress and distribute the load differently is attractive to some people. Latex in a one-sided configuration can last quite a long time, and in a flippable mattress it can last even longer. The tradeoff for a two sided mattress is that there is less "room" to design a mattress that has progressive firmness because if you have more than about 3" or so of soft materials on the bottom of the mattress then it can be risky for support/alignment. The middle layer in a two sided mattress needs to be firm enough to be a suitable support layer and to some degree compensate for the softer layer underneath it but with a support layer on the bottom you have more flexibility to fine tune the top and middle layers to your liking without compromising support. Depending upon your comfort preference, this may or may not be problematic.

When I started this process my main focus was on proper alignment but it seems with the better mattress companies like Pure Talalay Bliss this is less of a concern b/c of the quality and they way they are built. From what I can tell/feel regardless of the mattresses (high quality ones anyway) I've tried my alignment seems to be good and comfort has become the focus. Is this correct?


No, I’d be cautious with that assumption. This is certainly a concern with any mattress combination you choose. The ideal would be to have both suitable support/alignment and comfort/pressure relief in a mattress, but if you have to choose one over the other then I would choose support/alignment. There is some great information in this PHD thesis by Vincent+Verhaer (who is one of a group of researchers that I greatly respect) about the importance of good spinal alignment that clearly indicates that for healthy individuals it has the single biggest effect on the depth and quality of sleep and recovery for healthy individuals. Having proper alignment doesn’t necessarily mean that a mattress needs to feel hard like a board.

Originally I had no intention or even considered a DYI mattress due to my lack of knowledge and difficulty but with the knowledge and information I've gained from this site a DYI is starting to become my preferred option b/c of the limited options in AK and cost.


I’m glad you’re learning a lot! If you do decide to go the DIY route, then the first place I would start is by reading option 3 in post #15 here and the posts it links to (and option #1 and #2 as well) so that you have more realistic expectations and that you are comfortable with the learning curve, uncertainty, trial and error, or in some cases the higher costs that may be involved in the DIY process. While it can certainly be a rewarding project ... the best approach to a DIY mattress is a "spirit of adventure" where what you learn and the satisfaction that comes from the process itself is more important than any cost savings you may realize (which may or may not happen).

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Alaska Struggles - Seattle Update 14 Nov 2017 23:07 #15

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As always your knowledge and the time you spend on each post is humbling. Thank you.

I didn't mean to say I wasn't concerned with alignment any longer, more that with the higher end mattresses I've spent time on my alignment seems to be pretty good, at least from what I can tell. Of course I think I'm aware of only gross mis-alignments with some of the lower end "box store" mattresses I've tested. When I've tried to compare higher quality mattresses, alignment issues or even differences, have not been as obvious. This is a bit of a frustration still due to my limited knowledge and experience at this point b/c proper alignment is still my number one priority in order to hopefully wake up each morning, for many, many mornings feeling great without any back pain or discomfort.

I overstated when I said I was leaning towards a DIY mattress. I'm more leaning towards a DIY source who I have confidence can essentially mimic either the PTB nature or beautiful. These are the two that I keep coming back to. The main intention with this idea is to keep the cost down, but as you have said/indicated many times there is significant value in purchasing exactly what you can physically test. My efforts continue...

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Alaska Struggles - Seattle Update 15 Nov 2017 09:43 #16

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Hi Pura Visa,

Thanks for the clarifications, and no worries! ;)

The innerspring units and latex support cores within a mattress are rarely the “weak link”, and if a stronger spring unit or a higher ILD latex core is used, and as long as the mattress isn’t overly padded with comfort materials, you’ll probably be “in the range” for a decent alignment, especially with the types of products you’ve been testing.

Doing a “DIY” mattress with the guidance/support of a knowledgeable manufacturer who has experience using the same or similar materials to or replicating specific mattress can be a better option in a circumstance such as yours.

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