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Re: Latex Mattress 16 Nov 2011 21:34 #46

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Hi Phoenix: Do you have an example of the bases you would choose from? Is a foundation still necessary? Are there any vendors that we could get a good frame and foundation from locally?

Thank you, Glenn

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Re: Latex Mattress 17 Nov 2011 03:24 #47

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Hi Glenn,

A latex mattress needs just a solid base with enough supportive surface to make sure that it doesn't sink through any gaps and that the base is strong enough and supported on the floor well enough to take the weight of the latex mattress and the people that sleep on it. Normally this means that a slatted wood or metal base (what you were calling a frame and I call a foundation) is the best. Both of these are rigid non flexing bases.

You can also use a more expensive tension adjustable slatted base like this , or this which typically uses thinner hardwood bowed slats and allows for the tension of the base in certain areas to be adjusted. This can fine tune the alignment on the mattress and "firm up" the support under the hips or allow the shoulders to sink down more. These work best with mattresses that are thin enough for the adjustments to be effective on the surface of the mattress.

You can also put the mattress directly on a slatted platform bed such as this as long as the slats are spaced close enough together and that the bed is supported in the middle so it doesn't sag. Putting the mattress directly on a bed means that a base or foundation isn't necessary.

There are also position adjustable bases like these which allow you to raise and lower the head and feet or turn on a vibrating massage and sometimes have all kinds of bells and whistles. These are also suitable for a latex or any "bendable" mattress as long as the weight limits of the motor are not exceeded.

Of course there are also combinations of slatted bases which are both tension adjustable and position adjustable like the legras here or the various Axel Bloom models . Ikea also makes a variety of different budget foundations including slatted bases and tension and position adjustable bases but there are mixed reviews about their durability and quality (NOTE: their adjustable foundations are no longer available).

So regardless of what you call it ... a latex mattress needs a strong and evenly supportive base with strong slats that are no more than 3" apart (preferably closer to 2") or a metal base (that you and others were calling a frame) that has enough support surface area to prevent the latex from sinking through any gaps.

Most bases (what I call a foundation) come in various height options which allow the surface of the mattress to be at a certain height. They in turn can also go on a metal or wooden bedframe. Some have attachable legs of various heights to raise them off the floor. Regardless of all of this ... the mattress needs to sit on a firm base which will not sag over time (more than it's designed to) under the weight of the mattress and the people on it.

With wood foundations ... the more wood that is used and the higher quality of the wood and construction that is used ... the more expensive they are. For example a very high quality wood foundation with wool or cotton padding on top like this , ... or this , ... or these , ... or this , is more expensive than some of the ones that you put together yourself and that use less wood or thinner wood.

Some wire grid metal platform bedframes can also work well as the metal is very strong and as long as the surface area is enough and the wires are close enough together to ensure that the mattress doesn't sag through or damage the latex ... then they would probably also be fine although they may be a little more risky for an all latex mattress in the longer term (see post #10 here ). There is a variety of different designs and some use more or less steel of different gauges so here too quality usually determines price. In many cases, steel foundations made by leggett and platt or hickory springs are placed on wooden bases and then the quality of the bases that the metal assembly is attached to is also important. Versions like the Zinus metal foundation (or the many variations that are similar) are also a less expensive option that seem to work well even though the wires are thinner.

All in all there are too many base options for me to keep track of so I prefer to help people with ideas about what to look for and in most cases I would just follow the recommendations of the manufacturer who is selling the mattress as they will know which bases work best with their mattresses.

Many local outlets will sell you a foundation (just make sure it is suitable) and a few phone calls to find out at local manufacturers or mattress outlets in your area may well be worth while as long as you can verify that the foundation is suitable for your mattress. If they don't and the outlet where you are buying your mattress doesn't have foundations that you believe are a reasonable cost ... then an online purchase makes sense to me.

Hopefully this will help sort out the foundation, base, frame, bed, platform, options for foam mattresses :)

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Re: Latex Mattress 02 Jan 2012 19:53 #48

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Hi Phoenix,

We went to the Savvy Rest dealer today and tried several different combinations. These were not blends as ours' currently is.

Dunlop Soft: 22-30
Med: 31-39
Firm: 40+
Talalay Soft: 22-24 (this was all they had with Talalay)
All layers were 3".

Our favorite was 3 layers of Dunlop with the 3" soft talalay on top. But you had recommended very soft at 15-19 which they did not have unfortunately.

Wife's side: Med-Soft-Soft
My Side: Firm-Firm-Med
3" talalay on top

We did also like the following (less cost due to 3 layers only):

Wife's Side: Med-Soft-Soft
My Side: Firm-Med-Soft

Given these results, would it make sense to add the "Rejuvenite" topper to what we have (an additional cost obvioulsy) or to start fresh with new layers? Of course, we currently have all talalay layers while these were dunlop, with the exception of the one soft (22-24 ILD) talalay layer.

Thank you, Glenn

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Re: Latex Mattress 03 Jan 2012 01:18 #49

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Hi Glenn,

I answered this in the other thread and it might be easier to keep it all together there. I can get confused easily if I jump from thread to thread :)

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Re: Latex Mattress 15 Apr 2012 12:45 #50

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Hello again Phoenix,

On my on going quest for the right bed for me and my fiance i took your advice and went down to akron, oh yesterday to the natural bed co. which carries savvy rest products. I liked the idea behind choosing your layers and putting them into a zip cover because your sleep preferences can change or layers can break down and instead of buying a whole new mattress you just replace the layer. The prices were a little high and i am unable to afford the bed i want form them because they do not take discover card. Also i have read some reviews about savvy rest beds having sagging issues and what not. I came to the conclusion that the split build your own layering latex is right for us because i have back issues and need a firmer feel while her back is fine and prefers a softer feel.
I was curious about the sleepez compared to the savvy rest. The sleepez prices seem to be a bit lower and have a return policy where as the natural bed co. only has a comfort guarantee. Also I like the Dunlop process in the support layers and the talalay process in the comfort layers but i dont see having the combo on the sleepez site and is there a difference in the quallity or latex both these companies use?

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Re: Latex Mattress 15 Apr 2012 13:47 #51

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Hi Immortal216,

The sleepez prices seem to be a bit lower and have a return policy where as the natural bed co. only has a comfort guarantee.


I'm not so sure I would call the difference a "bit" (there is a significant difference) but you are correct which is why I have often mentioned that Savvy rest is high quality and great for testing layering combinations but not so great value.

Savvy Rest offers 100% natural Talalay from Latex International and 100% natural Dunlop from CoCo latex and the layers can be mixed and matched.

SleepEz offers blended Talalay and 100% natural Talalay from both Latex International and Radium. Their Dunlop is also 100% natural from Latex Green (which is equivalent to CoCo latex IMO) and you can mix and match these as well in any of the layers. In other words their selection of materials is much greater than Savvy Rest.

The regular wool quilted zip cover on both would be equivalent quality although SleepEz offers options (such as a non quilted ticking) that Savvy rest doesn't.

Hope this helps

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Re: Latex Mattress 15 Apr 2012 23:28 #52

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It helps greatly i plan on ordering my bed from sleepez as soon as the bed frame comes in a few weeks the information you give continues to astonish me and it was by pure chance that i found this site i believe if everyone who was shopping for a bed found this site the "bigger" manufactures would be force to produce higher quality beds for cheaper prices and stop telling stories.

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Re: Latex Mattress 16 Apr 2012 18:32 #53

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Hi immortal216,

i believe if everyone who was shopping for a bed found this site the "bigger" manufactures would be force to produce higher quality beds for cheaper prices and stop telling stories.


Now that would be a good thing!

Thanks for the kind words :)

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Re: Latex Mattress 18 Apr 2012 22:57 #54

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SleepEz, Rockymountain, flobeds...

Agony of choice.

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Re: Latex Mattress 19 Apr 2012 00:27 #55

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Hi Karamba,

I certainly understand the "agony"

I think it took me longer to choose between all the final details and go from a few to one than it did to exclude many dozens of possible choices and narrow things down to the final few.

If you make a list of things that are important to you it may make it easier. Things such as ...

Which one is closer (or can be made closer) to the design of mattresses I have tested and know might work well for me?

Are the differences in materials such as natural Talalay vs blended Talalay vs Natural Dunlop important to me for it's own sake and which choices would I prefer?

Do any price differences (everything included and set up in the bedroom) give me options or value that is important to me?

Am I paying for options or features that I either need or don't need?

How confident am I that I know what I want and how much do I need to rely on the skills and knowledge of the outlet.

What are the exchange or return policies including any costs involved if any?

Did I connect more with one outlet in my phone conversations than with the others.

Once you have the answers to these (and any others that are important to you) you are in a much better position to evaluate which choice may be best for you.

I know you probably know this but two of the three are members of this site which means that telling them you are a member of The Mattress Underground (because you've made a post on the forum) would entitle you to an additional 5% discount on your mattress.

The good news is that your last few choices are all better than the final choices that most people make when they purchase a mattress :)

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