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Trying to pick a mattress and sort of stuck on a final two 07 Feb 2017 12:59 #1

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Hi everyone (and Mme Phoenix):

We've narrowed some finalists down for our mattress purchase but we're stuck and can't decide on which one. I tried Nest Bedding's Alexander Signature series at one of their stores and found it quite comfortable. However, the price of one of their kings is twice as much as a Tuft & Needle mattress so we've debated whether to try out T&N first and see if we can save some money (do their claims of fewer layers hold any water?) Sapira was our third finalist because I tried it in New York and found it alright, at least for a few minutes, but honestly, they paid off so many people for promotional reviews online that it was a major turnoff.

Anyone know of something that would help break the Nest vs T&N tie, or justify the near double the price premium for the Alexander?

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Trying to pick a mattress and sort of stuck on a final two 07 Feb 2017 15:25 #2

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Hi Joe Cool,

We've narrowed some finalists down for our mattress purchase but we're stuck and can't decide on which one. I tried Nest Bedding's Alexander Signature series at one of their stores and found it quite comfortable. However, the price of one of their kings is twice as much as a Tuft & Needle mattress so we've debated whether to try out T&N first and see if we can save some money

I'll see if I can help a bit with the specification differences.

The Tuft and Needle uses 3” of a 2.8lb high performance polyfoam over a 7” 1.8 lb polyfoam core.

The Nest Bedding Alexander Signature Series is offered in three different versions (soft, medium and luxury firm – you didn’t say which model you tried), and each of these models will use memory foam in their makeup, will be tailored as a “traditional” mattress, and have more "premium" foam overall than the T&N, and this would account for the pricing difference, as the T&N is using polyfoam only.

A closer “match” to the T&N would be the Love & Sleep Mattress from Nest Bedding, which is offered in two different versions, Medium and Luxury Firm, The Medium has 3” of 2.8 lb high performance polyfoam, over 1” of 2.0 lb convoluted polyfoam over a 6” 1.8 lb polyfoam core. The Luxury Firm has 2” of 2.8 lb high performance polyfoam over an 8” 1.8 lb polyfoam core.

You can see the specifications of the T&N and the Love & Sleep in post #2 here .

do their claims of fewer layers hold any water?

Like with many claims that manufacturers make, it depends upon how the argument is presented and to what you’re comparing. All foam layers being equal, you certainly will have a higher pcf number with fewer layers of foam. Mixing in other foams will change those results depending upon breathability. Memory foam tends to be to least “breathable” of the major foam types.

The layers closest to your skin will have the greatest impact upon your sleeping temperature. There is more about the many variables that can affect the sleeping temperature of a mattress or sleeping system in post #2 here .

Anyone know of something that would help break the Nest vs T&N tie, or justify the near double the price premium for the Alexander?

This really comes down to your own priorities in choosing a mattress. Post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

If keeping your price low is a priority, you may wish to focus on the Tuft & Needle or the Love & Sleep. You may even want to throw the Dreamfoam Arctic Dreams into that mix. The Alexander Signature adds more “premium” foams which will provide a different style of comfort, but whether or not that is worth the price to you is again a part of your own personal “Pros/Cons” list.

Regardless of your decision, you’re considering products that use better quality materials and offer good values. All of them also feature a good trail period just in case things don’t turn out as well as you would have hoped. You may already be aware of this, but Nest Bedding and Dreamfoam are members here of the site, which means that I think highly of them and their products.

Hopefully that helped give you an idea of the reasoning for the price difference in the products and can help you make up your mind if one is personally a better option for you versus the other.

I’ll be interested in learning what decision, if any, you decide to make, or if you have any other questions.

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Trying to pick a mattress and sort of stuck on a final two 07 Feb 2017 15:36 #3

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Thank you for such a detailed response. I forgot to specify I had tried all three levels of firmness of the Alexander. The firm was too firm. The soft was nice but I felt my hips sagged too much and left me out of alignment. The medium seemed to be the Goldilocks firmness, which is probably why Nest says 92% of people will be fine with medium.

I was hesitant about the Love & Sleep Mattress because one of the things we're concerned about is motion transfer, and though I didn't get to try the Love & Sleep I'd be concerned the latex in it would mean a higher level of motion transfer; I move around a lot and we have two active dogs, all of which wake my wife up.

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Trying to pick a mattress and sort of stuck on a final two 07 Feb 2017 16:22 #4

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Hi Joe Cool,

Thank you for such a detailed response. I forgot to specify I had tried all three levels of firmness of the Alexander. The firm was too firm. The soft was nice but I felt my hips sagged too much and left me out of alignment. The medium seemed to be the Goldilocks firmness, which is probably why Nest says 92% of people will be fine with medium.

Yes, you’re correct. It is their most popular model.

I was hesitant about the Love & Sleep Mattress because one of the things we're concerned about is motion transfer, and though I didn't get to try the Love & Sleep I'd be concerned the latex in it would mean a higher level of motion transfer; I move around a lot and we have two active dogs, all of which wake my wife up.

There is no latex in the Love & Sleep, just as there is no latex in the Tuft & Needle ( you can see the specifications I provided in my early reply). Depending upon the combination of layers, latex can do quite a good job at minimizing motion transfer, but memory foam is by far the best at this.

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Trying to pick a mattress and sort of stuck on a final two 07 Feb 2017 16:27 #5

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Whoops :-(

Any idea - or any way to determine - how those three mattresses would stack (ha) against each other in terms of edge support and motion transfer?

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Trying to pick a mattress and sort of stuck on a final two 07 Feb 2017 17:17 #6

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Hi Joe Cool,

Whoops

No worries!

Any idea - or any way to determine - how those three mattresses would stack (ha) against each other in terms of edge support and motion transfer?

While you wouldn’t be able to determine that unless each item was next to each other, based upon the specifications the Tuft & Needle and the Love & Sleep should be quite comparable in both motion transfer and edge “feel”, with the Luxury Firm version of the Lover & Sleep probably feeling a bit firmer on the edge. Both of these brands use similar materials. The T&N might have a bit more “localized bounce” than the Love & Sleep. The Alexander Signature would have more motion deadening characteristics than both of these items, but would probably feel a bit softer on the edge because of the extra memory foam in the upper layers of the mattress.

Overall, memory foam is the best at motion isolation but latex and pocket coils are good for this as well (see post #18 here ). Having said that ... all the layers and components in a mattress will have some effect on the feel and performance of all the other layers and the mattress "as a whole" so the best way to test for motion isolation is your own careful testing on a mattress using the testing guidelines in the tutorial post (with both of you on the mattress) because a mattress that may be "motion isolating enough" for one couple may not be as suitable for another couple that is more sensitive. Post #4 here also goes into more details about some of the things that impact motion transfer/isolation.

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Trying to pick a mattress and sort of stuck on a final two 08 Feb 2017 07:30 #7

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Hi Phoenix,

Just a quick note - and thank you for your responses! - about where I got the idea of latex in the Love & Sleep. I was thinking I was hallucinating until I found this old comparison on the Nest website between T&N and the Love Bed (wasn't that Love & Sleep 1.0?).

www.nestbedding.com/blogs/news/26391812-tuft-needle-mattress-vs-the-love-bed

Comparison point 2 mentions latex in their top layer.

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Trying to pick a mattress and sort of stuck on a final two 08 Feb 2017 11:47 #8

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Hi Joe Cool,

Just a quick note - and thank you for your responses! - about where I got the idea of latex in the Love & Sleep. I was thinking I was hallucinating until I found this old comparison on the Nest website between T&N and the Love Bed (wasn't that Love & Sleep 1.0?).

You have an excellent memory!

While the Love Bed wasn’t the Love & Sleep 1.0 (and the Love & Sleep isn’t the Love Bed 2.0), you are correct in assuming they occupy a similar space in the “lineup” of Nest Bedding.

Excellent question.

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Trying to pick a mattress and sort of stuck on a final two 15 Feb 2017 13:41 #9

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Hi Phoenix,

Our final two changed - still Nest's Alexander medium, but we're also considering the Novosbed medium. I'm leaning towards the Alexander, since it seems so well made and Joe from Nest Bedding is so personally responsive to all questions. However, Novosbed has a few business advantages, such as a longer test period, their comfort+ adjustment system, their foundation is returnable (with a 20% restocking fee), and a white glove delivery option.

But I'm curious if in your wisdom about the technology of both, there is something else in terms of heat retention, motion transfer, edge support, and general support for a pair of light combination sleepers (mostly side, some back) that you think should, or could, sway our decision between these two beds. I'm not asking about feel, since it's clear that's subjective, but I guess anything in the form of a quick comparative take that would help orient us in choosing between these two seemingly wonderful alternatives.

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Trying to pick a mattress and sort of stuck on a final two 15 Feb 2017 16:34 #10

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Hi Joe Cool,

Our final two changed - still Nest's Alexander medium, but we're also considering the Novosbed medium. I'm leaning towards the Alexander, since it seems so well made and Joe from Nest Bedding is so personally responsive to all questions. However, Novosbed has a few business advantages, such as a longer test period, their comfort+ adjustment system, their foundation is returnable (with a 20% restocking fee), and a white glove delivery option.

I’m happy that Joe has been able to answer your questions for you in a timely manner. The Novosbed does off 20 more days for their return policy, and the comfort+ system is a unique after-the-purchase customization option, and the White Glove delivery (at an extra fee) will have them bring your compressed mattress into your room, cut I open, and cart away the packaging materials. All things to consider as part of your personal value equation .

But I'm curious if in your wisdom about the technology of both, there is something else in terms of heat retention, motion transfer, edge support, and general support for a pair of light combination sleepers (mostly side, some back) that you think should, or could, sway our decision between these two beds. I'm not asking about feel, since it's clear that's subjective, but I guess anything in the form of a quick comparative take that would help orient us in choosing between these two seemingly wonderful alternatives.

You are correct that these would all be subjective things that can only be best analyzed through your own careful personal testing.

Regarding temperature, both items use similar amounts of memory foam, with the Novosbed having their layers closer to the surface (the Nest Bedding has the 1.5”quilt layer). It's not really possible to quantify the sleeping temperature of a mattress for any particular person with any real accuracy because there are so many variables involved including the type of mattress protector and the sheets and bedding that you use (which in many cases can have just as significant an effect on sleeping temperature as the type of foam in a mattress) and on where you are in the "oven to iceberg" range and because there is no standardized testing for temperature regulation with different combinations of materials ... there is more about the many variables that can affect the sleeping temperature of a mattress or sleeping system in post #2 here that can help you choose the types of materials and components that are most likely to keep you in a comfortable temperature range.

As for edge reinforcement, neither product has a “specific” edge reinforcement system, instead relying upon the polyfoam core to assist with that. Both models have similar layers of comfort materials to compress on top of the polyfoam cores, so again this would be subjective in determination if you liked one versus the other. There are some comments about edge support with foam mattresses in post #2 here and the posts it links to.

Both mattresses use high quality materials that would not be cause for concern for providing enough support for someone in a moderate BMI range such as yours.

The good news here is that you’re choosing between two items using good quality materials and each has a good return policy, so in the end it comes down to making a decision and determining through your own personal testing if the item is a good fit for you.

I’ll be interested in learning what final choice (if any) that you make.

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