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Alignment Issues? 22 Jan 2017 17:42 #11

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Hi chav,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :)

also have the same concern about how long such a thin foam layer over coils, even a high quality latex one, would last. Any thoughts?

Latex is the most durable of the major types of foams, and while the uppermost comfort layers of a mattress receive the most mechanical stress, and softer latex will generally be less durable than firmer latex (assuming the same type/blend), I wouldn’t have a concern with a plush top piece of latex. There have been plush latex toppers used for decades that still perform well.

Am I reading this right, their indentation threshold for triggering a claim is only one half inch???

I’m not in possession of their warranty booklet, but common depths that initiate warranty claims on mattresses using latex are .5”-1.0”. So .5” isn’t outside of the norm for an item like this for what they would consider the start of a discussion of a potential warranty claim about their product.

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Alignment Issues? 22 Jan 2017 18:04 #12

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Hi Maddog29,

Curious on Phoenix's thoughts on the longetivity of 1.5 inches of latex over coils.

You can read my reply above to chav. I would have no concerns.

Also, do you know the ILD of the 1.5"? I can't seem to find it.

The ILD isn’t of particular importance and not an indicator of quality, so many manufacturers won’t offer that information on their site and consider it proprietary.

As for ILD, all the information you really need to know about a mattress is in this article . While the specs that affect the quality and durability of the layers and components are important to know, when you are able to test a mattress personally then knowing "comfort specs" such as ILD/IFD isn't really necessary or even important because with careful testing your body will tell you much more about whether any specific combination of layers or components or any specific mattress is a good "match" for you in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) than knowing the ILD/IFD of the individual layers regardless of what the actual numbers may be. It can end up adding to the confusion for many consumers (I'm not saying this is the case for you of course, but just for others who might read through this thread) as opposed to making things easier. With your current product you know that you are using the “plush configuration”, so knowing if the “Medium” used a 24 ILD or a 28 ILD, for example, wouldn’t provide much meaningful information. The most important piece of knowledge would be that the "Medium" layer was “firmer” than what you were replacing.

Planning on sleeping on just the base mattress tonight to see how it goes. Figuring in the 2-4 week adjustment period I may not know if this is good for me for a while. I am guessing my shoulders will hurt a lot throughout the night without the comfort layer but perhaps I can get used to it after a couple of weeks.

While this certainly can be a useful experiment for you, I don’t know that sleeping directly upon the innerspring unit would be the most comfortable or recommended long-term configuration to settle upon, but there are people who sleep just fine on matts made of small tree branches, so I don’t want to discard anything. But as I mentioned above I think you’d be best off trying an exchange for a firmer upper layer, and if you’re not considering doing this then it’s entirely possible this mattress is not a product that is appropriate for your needs. But time will tell!

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Alignment Issues? 22 Jan 2017 18:15 #13

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To clarify, I won't be sleeping directly on the innerpsring... the base unit is the same as the luma mattress without the slumber system so it is the coils + 1.5" of latex glued to the coils. Awesome info so far. Thanks again!

Alignment Issues? 22 Jan 2017 18:25 #14

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Hi Maddog29,

Thank you for that clarification! I thought that you were going down to bare springs in your quest. When you mentioned you “pulled off the comfort layer” in an earlier post I was assuming (incorrectly!) that you were removing all comfort layers on the product! Sometimes I read into things just a bit too much…:S

Yes, now your photos make much more sense to me and I would definitely be in agreement with you that what you have in the comfort layer separate topper is too plush, and the “Medium Firm” option would certainly be something worthwhile for you to consider.

Thank you again for taking the time to clarify this for me and for realizing that I was making an incorrect assumption.

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Alignment Issues? 22 Jan 2017 18:33 #15

Given that clarification, would you still be concerned at all about having only a 1.5" latex comfort layer over the coil unit, particularly with regards to durability?

Whereas Maddog purchased the whole slumber system, I am looking at purchasing just the basic mattress.

Alignment Issues? 22 Jan 2017 18:38 #16

Oh and thanks for the welcome. Good to know about warranties--I haven't seen a half inch anywhere! The most common I've seen is 1.5", I've seen a few 2", and maybe one or two 1".

Alignment Issues? 22 Jan 2017 20:20 #17

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Hi clav,

No, I would have no concern. Just realize (as you’re already aware) there will less for a comfort layer on the product.

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Alignment Issues? 01 Feb 2017 09:22 #18

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Hi chav,

Sorry, I missed your question!:S

Given that clarification, would you still be concerned at all about having only a 1.5" latex comfort layer over the coil unit, particularly with regards to durability?

No, I would not be concerned, as you’re still using good quality componentry in the mattress. You’re simply choosing a product with fewer “comfort layers” which will of course change the feel. The pocketed coil spring unit will in effect adopt the role of what I commonly call the “transition layer” as well as the deeper support unit, which this is able to do in a gently progressive manner because of the unique progressive resistance properties of pocketed spring units.

Sorry again for the tardy reply to your question.

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Alignment Issues? 01 Feb 2017 10:50 #19

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Update: I have been sleeping on the Luma Mattress (without the extra 3inch comfort layer) for over a week and it's actually quite comfortable. It took a few nights to adjust but the last 3 nights I have slept better than I have in months. I was told that the slumber systems all come with the 28 ild 1.5" layer of latex and are customized based on the additional comfort layer. So without the comfort layer, right now I am sleeping on the pocket coils + 1.5" of 28 ild latex. This provides good alignment and oddly enough, my shoulders don't hurt either (even though this is likely the firmest setup I have slept on yet). It is very springy feeling so be ready for that but you don't actually feel the coils... just a lot of bounce (at least I don't feel them at 180 pounds).

I could potentially be content just making the basic mattress my long term solution but do want to try the 28 ild comfort layer still.

They are shipping me the medium/firm (28 ild) comfort layer which should be here in about a week so I will also give that a fair chance and provide another update later.

Some other comments about Luma:
- customer service has been excellent! They are very responsive and willing to work with you from what I can tell so far.
- The pillows seem nice but I don't prefer a latex pillow myself so can't comment more on that.

Alignment Issues? 01 Feb 2017 13:14 #20

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Hi maddog29,

Thanks for the update. It seems as if you are moving in the appropriate direction and your thoughts of too much plushness were correct.

Some other comments about Luma:
- customer service has been excellent! They are very responsive and willing to work with you from what I can tell so far.

I appreciate the feedback. It’s always nice to hear when companies are treating their customers well.

- The pillows seem nice but I don't prefer a latex pillow myself so can't comment more on that.

Did you change your pillow when you went to the base mattress, and if so do you think that impacted your shoulder comfort?

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