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Help choosing #BestMattressEver or alternative with non-toxic cover 24 Nov 2016 18:49 #1

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Hello all,

First time poster here.
I am looking for a low/non-toxic, comfortable KING mattress to replace our current foam mattress.
The #BestMattressEver from Brooklyn Bedding is the closest for the price range I am looking at (around $1000).
The problem though is the silica-rayon FR cover. I read the safety discussion about crystalline and amorphous silica
( here and here ) but
I want to be fairly certain that I am not trading one toxicity (of foam with FR chemicals) for another.

Is there a similar mattress with a wool(preferably eco/organic) cover without the silica?

I found these alternatives but the prices are much higher as most of these are full latex:
1) spindle mattress: shop.spindlemattress.com/products/latex-mattress-8?variant=261680854 - $1699
3x3" dunlop latex + 1" Eco wool (not organic latex or wool)

2) The Leaf - $1995 (with Black Friday deal)
3" talalay + 2x3" dunlop + 1" cotton+ wool cover (all organic)
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3) Ultimate dreams from Dreamfoam - www.dreamfoambedding.com/product/ultimate-dreams-latex-mattress/ - $750
3" Talalay Latex + 6" foam (1.8lb) + Bamboo Knit cover (no additional details on the use of silica)

4) SleepEZ - www.sleepez.com/organic-latex-mattress.html?model=10000 - $2195
3 x 3" organic latex, 1" wool+cotton cover (all organic)

to compare, here are the specs for #BestMattressEver - $855
5) 2" talalay + 2" dunlop and 6" polyfoam (2lb) + rayon, silica, cotton cover

I wish there was a mattress with these specs with a price of around $1000-1000:
2" talalay + 2" dunlop and 6" polyfoam (2lb) + org. wool + org. cotton cover

Please let me know if such a thing exists or if using a mattress protector on top of the #bestmattressever will mostly eliminate any kind of issues with the silica.

Thank you very much

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Help choosing #BestMattressEver or alternative with non-toxic cover 24 Nov 2016 20:34 #2

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Hi nsan2001,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :)

The problem though is the silica-rayon FR cover. I read the safety discussion about crystalline and amorphous silica
(here and here) but
I want to be fairly certain that I am not trading one toxicity (of foam with FR chemicals) for another.


Since you’ve already read a bit about this on the site, you are already aware that there are different types of Silica besides "silica glass" (crystalline) and they don't pose a respiratory hazard at all in the form they are used in an inherent viscose/silica fire barrier. As the link shows, Crystalline Silica is the form that can cause Silicosis and is both toxic and fibrogenic. Amorphous silica is toxic but not fibrogenic, and silica gel or silicic acid (the form in inherent fire barrier fabrics) is neither toxic or fibrogenic. You can read more about this in post #2 here (which you already linked to) but I would consider a viscose/silica fire barrier to be a very safe material. However, if you don’t feel that the material is “safe enough” for your personal PPP, you certainly can choose to look for a product that uses wool (which wouldn’t necessitate the use of a viscose/silica fiber barrier) with the componentry you prefer.

You’ll usually be looking at either a natural flame retardant barrier, like wool, or a non-toxic rayon fiber blended with silica to meet federal flammability standards for the items you’re considering. In case you'd want to pursue this option, there is more about purchasing a prescription mattresses that don't have a fire barrier and don't pass the fire regulations in post #4 here and the posts it links to.

1) spindle mattress: shop.spindlemattress.com/products/latex-...-8?variant=261680854 - $1699
3x3" dunlop latex + 1" Eco wool (not organic latex or wool)


This uses wool to pass FR regulations. If your concern is about organic versus eco versus natural wool, that is another discussion, but that wouldn’t have an effect with regards to passing FR regulations.

2) The Leaf - sleepingorganic.com/latex-mattress/- $1995 (with Black Friday deal)
3" talalay + 2x3" dunlop + 1" cotton+ wool cover (all organic)


This also uses wool to pass the FR barrier, and this also uses Eco-Wool.

3) Ultimate dreams from Dreamfoam - www.dreamfoambedding.com/product/ultimat...eams-latex-mattress/ - $750
3" Talalay Latex + 6" foam (1.8lb) + Bamboo Knit cover (no additional details on the use of silica)


This does not use wool for the FR barrier, but a version of the non-toxic viscose/silica barrier you’re looking to avoid.

4) SleepEZ - www.sleepez.com/organic-latex-mattress.html?model=10000 - $2195
3 x 3" organic latex, 1" wool+cotton cover (all organic)


This product uses wool to pass the FR barrier, and it is organic certified wool.

I would also keep in mind that some of the non organic wool that you will find in several of the mattresses you listed is also a very high quality material so you may not wish to exclude the ones that use organic cotton quilted with natural wool that isn't certified organic (see post #2 here and post #2 here about organic certifications).

If you haven’t already, you could also look online and use the expertise of the members listed in post #21 here who are all very experienced and knowledgeable and specialize in providing the type of help and guidance that you’re looking for and perhaps they could produce a product like you’re desiring.

I wish there was a mattress with these specs with a price of around $1000-1000:
2" talalay + 2" dunlop and 6" polyfoam (2lb) + org. wool + org. cotton cover


Unfortunately, I don't keep a record of the individual mattresses or their specs that the retailers and manufacturers in the hundreds of forum lists throughout the forum carry on their floor or have available online - it would be a bigger job than anyone could keep up with in a constantly changing market. Additionally, it might be difficult to find a mattress using your exact componentry, as people usually interested in using an organic certified cotton and wool cover are also usually interested in using more natural materials on the inside and would commonly eschew the use of a polyfoam core.

If you’re attracted to the idea of DIY mattress, take a look at the different vendors in the component post here and you could certainly acquire a cover, polyfoam base and the latex layers you desire.

Please let me know if such a thing exists or if using a mattress protector on top of the #bestmattressever will mostly eliminate any kind of issues with the silica.


If you have a concern about being in contact with the viscose/rayon FR barrier, you wouldn’t be in contact with it in any of the mattresses you described, so adding a mattress protector wouldn’t make a difference. If you’re concerned about inhaling the silica, which is made inherent through the fiber formation process and becomes part of the fiber in these instances (as opposed to a power that is added to the fiber that could become airborne), but even for the sake of your concern saying that there is something that is “off-gassed” or “breaks away” from the FR barrier, a mattress protector wouldn’t make a difference, as they still allow the mattress to “breathe”, so any concerns you had of something escaping from the FR barrier (which if there was something “escaping” would more than likely be smaller than the common micron pore size of the polyurethane film commonly used in mattress protectors) would still not be stopped by a mattress protector.

Perhaps some of the more knowledgeable people on the site are familiar with a company that is producing a mattress with the particular specifications you’re desiring and they can provide that information here on this thread as well.

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Help choosing #BestMattressEver or alternative with non-toxic cover 24 Nov 2016 21:07 #3

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Phoenix,

Thank you so much for the quick and detailed reply. I am not particular about the organic part for the wool/cotton. I would just like to buy the BB BestMattressEver if there was a choice of a wool cover, even if that means paying 200-300 extra. Since that is not an option, I will do some more research before making a decision. Thank you again!

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Help choosing #BestMattressEver or alternative with non-toxic cover 25 Nov 2016 08:39 #4

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Hi nsan2001,

Thank you so much for the quick and detailed reply.


You’re welcome!

I will do some more research before making a decision.


I’ll be interested to learn what you decide to do, of it you go the DIY route and create exactly what you want. Please keep me posted.

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Help choosing #BestMattressEver or alternative with non-toxic cover 26 Nov 2016 20:32 #5

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Not made a decision yet but wanted to report on some more research.

I have several citations to questions the wool fire barrier socks. Here is a seller explicitly saying their wool is mixed with silica: www.brentwoodhome.com/pages/faq
".. it’s totally possible to avoid using chemical fire retardants with a hydrated-silica sand. Hydrated silica is basically crushed quartz and opal gemstones. We also line our mattresses with New Zealand wool, which is another natural fire barrier"

Others, say they use wool instead of 'chemicals', but they might still be using the silica.
The most clarity is from SleepEZ: "Only a handful of manufacturers have gone through the expense of manufacturing a mattress using only wool to as a natural fire barrier, thus keeping your mattress as organic as possible. Our federal prototype ID number, exclusive to Sleep EZ, is EZSS13Latex."

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Help choosing #BestMattressEver or alternative with non-toxic cover 27 Nov 2016 09:13 #6

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Hinsan2001,

Every manufacturer will have their own design for meeting federal flammability (FR) standards when they are certified through their federal prototype ID. The use of wool alone, properly placed and in sufficient quantities, will pass these FR standards. Some manufacturers will use wool in a mattress not for the FR benefits, but more as a part of the overall comfort of the mattress, and that wool will not be sufficient in quantity or placement to pass FR testing.

As this is an important part of your own personal values equation, you’ll want to make direct inquiries with any manufacturer you’re considering and ask for the specifics of what they use to pass FR standards.

Just to confirm: Wool by itself can be used to pass federal FR standards, but the mere presence of wool in a mattress doesn’t necessarily mean that it is there in sufficient quantity, proper placement, or even designed to pass FR standards.

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Help choosing #BestMattressEver or alternative with non-toxic cover 28 Nov 2016 08:41 #7

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I just bought a mattress at Sleeping organic.com. We have visited the store and Tess, one of the sleep specialists spent hours with us putting together all different layers of their natural Latex mattresses. You can't get a better service anywhere and I am excited about getting our new mattress soon. We decided on the three layer "Leaf". I highly recommend sleeping organic!

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Help choosing #BestMattressEver or alternative with non-toxic cover 28 Nov 2016 14:34 #8

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Hi tuerkis,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :)

Congratulations on your new mattress! As you know, Sleeping Organic is a member here which means that I think highly of them.

It’s a bit different when people make their first post after they’ve already made a purchase (usually they’re asking questions first), so I’ll be interested to learn about your new mattress and the configuration you chose, once you’ve received it and have had a chance to try it out for a while.

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