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Mattress Modifications 15 Oct 2018 19:53 #21

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Hi cjjones.

Thank you for your kind words! I appreciate it and .... Welcome to our Mattress Forum! :)

I am sorry that your Tempur Advantage is not working out for you, but there are a few options that you can try and make it work for you. You’ve certainly done your research and your understanding of the underlying issue and what can be done to resolve it is good. You are correct that the Advantage is one of Tempur’s firmest lines (rated as Firm on their internal scale, which would certainly account for the pains and restless nights. The Advantage is an 8" mattress with
• 0.8" of TEMPUR material
• 2.8" of TEMPUR material
• 4.4" AirFlow System Base Layer:
• Removable/Washable Velour Cover

As you’d like to keep the Advantage mattress and as you indicated that it is in good condition probably adding the correct thickness/plushness topper or even replacing some of the existing layers within your current mattress could work well. The mattress has a removable cover and you certainly have quite a few options to make it plusher.

My real question comes to adding foam to my current tempurpedic. I have tried 2 different foam toppers. Unfortunately, they are from big box stores and did not work for me. . It sucks bc its too gooey and after 20 mins I was basically laying on the hard foam of the mattress since it was not being heated by my body temp.. I tried it for a few wks and was in horrible pain all night and started having headaches coming from my neck.


From your description, it sounds like you are not enjoying the feeling of the Memory Foam. The “gooiness” and the changing overnight with the temperature is something that is characteristic of memory foam, especially lower density. Memory foam can be a "love it or hate it" material and it certainly has some "weaknesses" that for example, latex doesn't have even though they are roughly equivalent in terms of their ability to relieve pressure. Lower density memory foams (which is most likely what you experimented with) will tend to have a lower functional ILD which means that in combination with the thickness of the layer you may feel the layers under them more than higher density memory foams which can also quite dramatically affect the perception of softness of firmness. In other words, I agree with you and you’d be probably wise to avoid it as your experience indicates you don't do well with it

One of our Trusted Members, Christeli , has much experience with approximating the feel of Tempur lines for customers that have tried them and liked a certain feel. You could reach out and ask for their guidance in “fixing” this bed. You could ask if they would be willing to send you a layer to replace some of the existing firmer layers within the Advantage or even send you a topper that would be a better match for you. If you chose to go with a memory foam rebuilt I’d keep in mind variables I mentioned before and keep in mind that 4 lb memory foam in the way it is usually formulated by most companies will usually feel softer than 5 lb (or 7 or 8 lb) memory foam in most uses. They will also tend to be more "responsive" (compress and come back faster) and less temperature sensitive. In addition to this ... they are usually layered in a way (as in the Cloud series) that will increase the perception of softness of a mattress.

Another option would be to DIY rebuild the Advantage bed as described above but using one or two latex layers instead, either by adding a latex topper or replacing one of the memory foam layers with a latex layer or both. A quick search under our Trusted membership listing can lead you to several manufacturers/retailers (some of them central Florida) that can certainly provide latex layers or toppers and also assist you with selecting a firmness that has the best chances of success for you.
Yuu can try to call Bedmasters , Fox Mattress , and Luma Sleep , that are located in Florida.
I have also reached out to mattresses247 who are a very experienced component layer supplier and carry good quality/value layers as thin as 1” and may be able to assist you with your rebuild.

I hope this gives you enough options to help make good use of your Advantage mattress.

Phoenix
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Mattress Modifications 16 Oct 2018 06:00 #22

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Bringing this back to the original thread, I would say that the biggest problem with selecting a mattress is the inability to really get to know a particular solution without several months of living with it and then further, not having any idea of the longevity of the materials involved. When we switched from a conventional coil mattress to the Tempur-Pedic, we were thrilled. It was a world of difference and we slept better. Then when the Poly base layer failed just a few years later, not so thrilled as there was no noticeable sag and no valid warranty claim under their terms. Replacing that base layer with firm latex, brought our sleep experience to a new height. As the original memory foam comfort layer slowly deteriorated, our sleep began to suffer. Since we had no experience with a latex comfort layer, replacing the memory foam with a similarly dense foam brought us back to great sleep. Then a rapid deterioration of the new memory foam, just one year instead of the twelve it took for the Tempur foam to fail, brought us back down to a poor sleep experience. Replacing the comfort layer with latex, proved different from the memory foam, but turned out to be an excellent solution. Seems like latex has the very real benefit of durability. To my mind, this quality is paramount, since it is so difficult to detect the slow deterioration of a mattress over a period of months or even years.

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Mattress Modifications 16 Oct 2018 10:01 #23

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Thank you both for the quick replies. I will call around to the companies suggested to see what they suggest and have. This wk while I was at a friends I unzipped their temp classic (again I believe that's what it is) and took a look and feel at the layers. Now that Im home again I will do the same to the Advantage. It would be so nice not to have to completely replace the mattress. Rvsarch it is great to know that you had such good results with replacing multiple layers on your mattress. I plan to really examine my base support layer to make sure it is not failing. I have not felt anything but I know it could be creeping up. If it is failing I think I would just replace the mattress bc we do have so many closeout kind of places around me. Late last night I discovered a guy who has several that were never slept on for a really good price. After calling around and getting a feel for how many choices in layers I have and how long it will take to receive them, I will go and check his mattress out. If they are in good shape I may just buy one. I don't know what models he has yet. The geek in me loves the idea of tweaking out my Advantage but not sure my body is up for waiting and experimenting. I will definitely post back how it went w/ calling around and what I decide. Maybe it will help people in the future. This site is an amazing resource. :) Thanks Everyone!!

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Mattress Modifications 17 Oct 2018 20:04 #24

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Hi cjjones.

You are welcome! ... and thanks for the kind comments

I certainly understand why you’d want to avoid the trial and error that comes with rebuilding an older bed. Outside of whether a mattress is a good match for you in terms of PPP ... a mattress is only as good as the quality of the materials inside it so regardless of the name of the manufacturer ... you'd need to find out the specifics of what was inside any mattress you will be looking at (see this article ). When assessing any product, I suggest you find out information listed here so you can compare the quality of the materials and components to the durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

Before trying any of the closeouts first I would get some basics in place and read the tutorial post here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines you will need to make the best possible choices ... and know how and why to avoid the worst ones which would include the major brands such as Serta or any mattress where you aren't able to find out the quality of the materials inside it.

I'll be interested to learn of your eventual decisions.

Phoenix

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Thanks for taking the time to share your experience, comments and of course the lessons learned along the way... you've certainly had to make quite few changes to your bed .... all ends well when you sleep well. :P
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Mattress Modifications 18 Oct 2018 09:18 #25

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Well I called Christeli, and Fox yesterday and explained everything. Christeli said that they don't sell toppers or individual layers anymore bc they found that most people dodn't end up happy w/ the toppers and ended up buying a bed later. Fox was similar but Im not sure if they do sell toppers or not, bc my questions regarding fixing the bed were kind of blown off and instead I was told about their beds. I did ask about there beds In saying this, I am not criticizing these companies bc I knew going into it that they are in the business of selling beds, not fixing old ones. I did ask fox about there beds so cant knock her for talking about them.

From Christeli, the Madeline was suggested to me for my size and my partners. After talking to Christeli, I took my partner to a mattress store that carried tempurpedics so we could try the similar to Madeline together. I explained how to lie on the mattress and think about how each part of the body felt. Im the one w/ the pain so mainly I hear, "whatever you like is good." :) I had previously thought the cloud supreme a tiny bit to firm and the cloud elite perfect and the cloud lux maybe to soft. They all felt good but being in Ive been sleeping for 3 days now at home my body is unhappy so probably the softer ones, even the lux felt better to me than last wk. I called Christeli back and said I was concerned that the Madeline was going to be to firm and that I was considering the Briella (1 inch thicker of the same density foam) which is said to be a little softer. I also said I had seen a couple people online say that they though the madeline hard but of course I know everyone is different and that there are probably are 1000 people that didn't think that so I know to take it w/ a grain of salt. He said he had had more people say it was to soft than hard. So I hung up thinking well tomorrow I will figure it out. Today I wake and I think I am really concerned about the fact that there is only one layer of memory foam at one density. From what ive read, its 5 lbs (I think I read that here but it could have been on another site so not positive on that) so that's good but the fact that there is no softer layer concerns me. Looking at the Briella which is little more pricey, its the same foam ( I assume) and again only one layer. The next mattress up is the Danieli which is compared to the rhapsody and firmer. I do plan to call Christeli back and make sure that it is 5lbs and that the Briella has the same foam but I believe I am correct so at this time, that info is what I am working w/.

I glanced on bedmasters site and they have only 3 beds w/ prices and they are a little more than what I want to spend. Christeli's having a sale so that's why I can even look at 2 of the 3 above.
I glanced on other sites like luma and another one, but its almost to many choices. I had set on Christelis but now my concerns are making think, should I wait but then the sale will be over. OF course I don't want to make the purchase based on sales. Not sure that there were any questions in this post, but maybe someone has comments. I would love to hear from anyone who bought any of the 3 Christelis above and how it worked out, specifically how much softer they became. Of course I would not make my choice on someone elses experience but it would be nice to hear. Most of the reviews on other sites don't state what Christeli they bought.

After looking at the luma site it seemed to me that I saw one of their mattress in a big box store but maybe it was luna. ?? :P That's where I am at the moment. Will update as I decide. There is still a used cloud elite that I could have for under 1/2 price of anything new but not sure if I want to go that route now that its a few years old. Then there is also a cloud supreme for the same price as the Christelis but it is a at wholesalers and I have not seen it in person.

I will say for those looking at tempurpedics, in the past if it was made 10+ years ago I would not have a problems w/ gently (guest room types) tempurpedic but I don't believe they are what they use to be. I saw 3 tempurpedic Flex this wk at a closeout store that had layer separation. Of course they did not say that was what it was but my eye saw it across the room. All from different shipments so if anyone is buying a Flex make sure its been handled perfectly.

ok back later. Thanks again everyone!

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Mattress Modifications 18 Oct 2018 09:39 #26

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Oh forgot to say, I have read all the steps on how to feel out a mattress for my body and my partners, and about the materials. Not sure if I said it before but Ive only gone to the big stores to try the tempurpedics, and all the closeout/clearance mattress I talked about are tempurpedics. Well they have others but unless it was a 3000 mattress I could get for 500 or less, im not buying. So the mattress I buy will be from one of the trusted choices or a company that released similar info, or a tempurpedic at less than 1/2 price. NOt sure if I said all that in my previous posts. I guess what I have to decide today is if I want to go w/ Christeli. Im sure their sale is ending but if I don't feel like the 1 layer of memory foam would work for me, I feel like im starting over in the hunt. Their return policy of only switching out models and not returning funds concerns me bc the only model that I can afford is the Briella or the Danieli at the current sale price. If in a month I decide its to firm and the flipping of the base doesn't work, I would not be able to afford to upgrade so I would be stuck.

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Mattress Modifications 18 Oct 2018 10:30 #27

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ok so I guess I should have checked my facts bf posting earlier. So I could have swore I saw that the madeline used 5lb. I was wrong. Maybe it was an older version. The madeline has 2" 3lb, 1ish " of 4lb in the comfort, and has a poly base that also has 1.5ish" inch memory foam inside it. The Briella is lower in that it has mostly 3lb of memory foam.
So now I am set way back. I was hoping for little over a grand to get a better quality of foam but I guess that's why they are so cheap compared to other sites.
so for me the Briella is completely out. The 2inchs of 3lb in the madeline concerns me. For 200$ more, I can get a wholesale cloud supreme...well as of yesterday it was still there. So not really sure what to do. I did glance on all the other trusted sites bf calling Christeli and didn't see much in that price range but I was just glancing. So Im assuming now I cant buy better density foam mattress for Madeline price.

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Mattress Modifications 18 Oct 2018 15:19 #28

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When I see you referencing "wholesale" deals on Tempur-Pedic mattresses, I'd suggest doing your due diligence to be sure you know exactly what you're getting for heavily discounted prices. Many shops offering clearance or wholesale pricing on name brand mattresses are selling either store display models or comfort returns from customers (and they are not always up front about it.) In either of those cases the mattresses are sold with no warranty. Also note that memory foam does tend to soften over its life so a mattress which has been used will not last as long as one which is new from the factory. Personally I like knowing that I'm getting an all new mattress rather than one that someone else has slept on even if it was for a short time, but everyone has different expectations in that regard.

Just wanted you to be aware of the realistic possibilities before jumping into a deal on a particular mattress which you may happen to find available on clearance. There are often large discounts available on discontinued models which may still be new and unused since there are often changes in production, and these would still have the full factory warranty.

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Mattress Modifications 18 Oct 2018 22:30 #29

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Thanks for Sweetdreams for looking out. Yes I would advise the same. So far the mattress i hv looked into and then considered buying all hv histories available. We hv several business around that sell mattresses such as you speak of but thankfully the one i hv had business with in the past has been honest about each mattress. I hv run into typical sales person such as w the Flex mattress I spoke about before and would not consider buying anything from them. I would also caution anyone from buying a product like this from someone not firmly rooted in the local community. Thanks all.

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Mattress Modifications 22 Nov 2022 16:46 #30

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My mattress journey continues. To recap, I purchased a Tempur-Pedic mattress about 16 years ago and it was wonderful compared to the conventional mattress it replaced until the base poly layer failed after just a few years. I replaced the base layer with firm latex and after that, it slept better than new. Then after 12 years it was clear that the memory foam top layer had reached end-of-life. So, I replaced the memory foam with dense high quality memory foam which only lasted a year before going limp. Finally, I replaced the top layer with medium latex and I liked the mattress more than ever.

New problem. I still have the original Tempur-Pedic zipper cover and the bottom of the cover developed a mold problem. The mattress sits on a wooden slats with 4" gaps and we were told to cover the slats with solid fiberboard back when we got the Temperpedic because the spacing was too wide. This was never a problem with the memory foam on top. I'm convinced that the more breathable latex led to the mold problem. We sleep in a very cool bedroom with a down comforter. I'm an architect and I know that condensation will form on the warm side of a vapor barrier, like the solid fiberboard. I threw out the fiberboard and the old cover and, in the interest of healthy breathing, I purchased a Natural Cotton and Wool mattress cover from SleepEZ. It's beautifully constructed with nice soft quilting on the top. Nothing is left of the original mattress but there has been continuous improvement over many years. Never slept better.

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