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Good value with low motion transfer? 06 Aug 2016 13:51 #1

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Hi! I've been hit with decision paralysis on finding a new mattress, so figured I'd come here for input.

I'm 5'10, 145 lbs. Primarily a back and side sleeper. Looking to replace my Spa Sensations (Zinus) Theratouch 12" mattress. It started off great, but 5 years in it's noticeably lost support. To my understanding, it's 3" of 3 lb memory foam on 3" of ventilated poly(?) foam and then 6" of base layer.

Looking to spend about $1000 or less on a king sized mattress. Unfortunately, I'm not very good at co-sleeping (GF moving will keep me alert and awake, etc.), so I'd like something that minimizes motion transfer. This presumably means memory foam or similar. Will be on a platform bed using slats.

I'm willing to spend more than bottom of the barrel prices for quality/value, but I prefer to avoid going extravagant. The midrange bed in a box type mattresses seem to offer good quality at a reasonable price, so that's where I've been focusing my search. I am open to alternatives, though I'm wary of the major mattress chains and their purchasing experience.

Tried briefly lying on a friend's Tuft & Needle while she bounced a bit. The motion transfer was certainly less than a coil mattress, but not quite the undisturbed glass of wine you see in the Tempurpedic commercials. My Zinus is... eh, decent for motion transfer. Not amazing, but decent.

I've been looking in particular at the following mattresses (thanks to Phoenix for the wealth of info on this site). Thoughts? Any I should add to or remove from the list? I understand it's difficult to make specific recommendations, and at some point I'll probably have to take a bit of a gamble and and pick one (returnable, but I'd prefer to not waste a bunch of mattresses finding one that works). That said, I'd like to do what I can to at least look in the right direction first.

Current: Zinus 12", $319, 3" 3 lb memory foam, 3" poly(?) foam, 6" base (poly?)

Addable, $650, 2" 4 lb gel memory, 2" 1.8 lb poly, 6" 2 lb poly
Brooklyn Bedding #BestMattressEver, $900, 2" Talalay, 2" Dunlop, 6" 2 lb poly
Leesa, $990, 2" 3.75 lb poly, 2" 3 lb memory, 6" 1.75 lb poly
Nest Bedding Love Bed, $899, 2" 2.7 lb poly, 1" 1.8 lb poly, 6" 1.8 lb poly
SleepEZ Kiss Mattress, $895, 1.5" Talalay, 1.5" 4 lb poly, 7" 2 lb poly
Yogabed, $974, .75" 5 lb poly, 1.75" 4 lb gel memory, 6,5" 1.8 lb poly, 1" 1.8 lb poly
Zotto, $995, 2" 4.5 lb gel memory, 2" 4 lb memory, 2" 3.1 lb poly, 4" 1.8 lb poly

I'm leaning towards the Addable, Leesa, Nest, Yoga, or Zotto because they seem like they'll have the least motion transfer and still be reasonably cool sleeping. Am I looking in the right direction? Way off base? Any distinguishing factors between them, that might help me decide?

Thanks!

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Good value with low motion transfer? 06 Aug 2016 14:46 #2

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Hi Tulrin,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! ... and I'm glad you found us :)

I'm 5'10, 145 lbs. Primarily a back and side sleeper. Looking to replace my Spa Sensations (Zinus) Theratouch 12" mattress. It started off great, but 5 years in it's noticeably lost support. To my understanding, it's 3" of 3 lb memory foam on 3" of ventilated poly(?) foam and then 6" of base layer.


Your mattress has lower quality and less durable materials than I would normally suggest so it's not surprising that it had a shorter useful life as well. You were probably fortunate that you were able to get 5 years of use from it.

Looking to spend about $1000 or less on a king sized mattress. Unfortunately, I'm not very good at co-sleeping (GF moving will keep me alert and awake, etc.), so I'd like something that minimizes motion transfer. This presumably means memory foam or similar. Will be on a platform bed using slats.


There is more information about motion transfer relative to different materials and types of mattresses in post #18 here . You are right that in general terms memory foam is the most effective material in terms of isolating motion.

I'm willing to spend more than bottom of the barrel prices for quality/value, but I prefer to avoid going extravagant. The midrange bed in a box type mattresses seem to offer good quality at a reasonable price, so that's where I've been focusing my search. I am open to alternatives, though I'm wary of the major mattress chains and their purchasing experience.

Tried briefly lying on a friend's Tuft & Needle while she bounced a bit. The motion transfer was certainly less than a coil mattress, but not quite the undisturbed glass of wine you see in the Tempurpedic commercials. My Zinus is... eh, decent for motion transfer. Not amazing, but decent.


While I can certainly help with "how" to choose ... It's not possible to make specific suggestions or recommendations for either a mattress, manufacturers/retailers, or combinations of materials or components because the first "rule" of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, or PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) or how a mattress will "feel" or compare to another mattress based on specs (either yours or a mattress), sleeping positions, health conditions, or "theory at a distance" that can possibly be more reliable than your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in step 4 of the tutorial) or your own personal sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

I'm not sure what you've read since you found the site but just in case you haven't read it yet ... the first place to start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice ... and perhaps more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well he will sleep), durability (how long he will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for).

If you are considering online options that you can't test in person before a purchase then the mattress shopping tutorial includes several links to lists of many of the better online options I'm aware of (in the optional online step) that include many different types and categories of mattresses that use different materials and components in a wide range of designs, budgets, firmness levels, and with different return/exchange policies that may be well worth considering as well.

One of the lists includes many of the better online memory foam options I'm aware of and many of these are well inside your budget range as well.

If you would also like to do some local testing where you can test a mattress for motion transfer in person before a purchase then if you let me know your city or zip code I'd be happy to let you know about the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in your area.

Addable, $650, 2" 4 lb gel memory, 2" 1.8 lb poly, 6" 2 lb poly
Brooklyn Bedding #BestMattressEver, $900, 2" Talalay, 2" Dunlop, 6" 2 lb poly
Leesa, $990, 2" 3.75 lb poly, 2" 3 lb memory, 6" 1.75 lb poly
Nest Bedding Love Bed, $899, 2" 2.7 lb poly, 1" 1.8 lb poly, 6" 1.8 lb poly
SleepEZ Kiss Mattress, $895, 1.5" Talalay, 1.5" 4 lb poly, 7" 2 lb poly
Yogabed, $974, .75" 5 lb poly, 1.75" 4 lb gel memory, 6,5" 1.8 lb poly, 1" 1.8 lb poly
Zotto, $995, 2" 4.5 lb gel memory, 2" 4 lb memory, 2" 3.1 lb poly, 4" 1.8 lb poly


While again nobody can speak to how any specific mattress will "feel" for someone else or whether it will be a good "match" in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP because this is too subjective and relative to different body types, sleeping positions, and individual preferences, sensitivities, and circumstances and you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress ... outside of PPP (which is the most important part of "value"), the next most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability which is all about how long you will sleep well on a mattress. This is the part of your research that you can't see or "feel" and assessing the durability and useful life of a mattress depends on knowing the specifics of its construction and the type and quality of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label or how a mattress feels in a showroom or when it is relatively new so I would always make sure that you find out information listed here so you can compare the materials and components to the durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

There are some comments about all of the mattresses you listed in post #2 here in the simplified choice topic along with many of the other simplified choice mattresses as well and post #1 in the same topic would be well worth reading as well.

With the exception of the Leesa which uses 2" of 3 lb memory foam ... there are no lower quality materials or weak links that would compromise the durability or useful life of any of the mattresses you listed. The 3 lb memory foam in the Leesa is underneath 2" of polyfoam which would absorb some of the compression forces that come from sleeping on a mattress which would improve the durability of the 3 lb memory foam underneath it a little so while it may be more risky than the others in terms of durability ... with your lighter BMI the odds would be higher that it will maintain it's comfort and support for a reasonable length of time as well.

I'm leaning towards the Addable, Leesa, Nest, Yoga, or Zotto because they seem like they'll have the least motion transfer and still be reasonably cool sleeping. Am I looking in the right direction? Way off base? Any distinguishing factors between them, that might help me decide?


When you can't test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help "talk you through" the specifics of their mattresses and the properties and "feel" of the materials they are using (fast or slow response, resilience, firmness etc) and the options they have available that may be the best "match" for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked or other mattresses you are considering that they are familiar with, and the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about "matching" their specific mattress designs and firmness levels to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else.

Having said that ... mattresses that have memory foam as the top layer would have the higher odds of having the least amount of motion transfer than mattresses that use more resilient materials in the top layer and thicker layers of memory foam may be more effective than thinner layers as well but there are also differences between different memory foam formulations and mattress designs so the only way to know for certain whether any mattress is "motion isolating enough" for you will be based on your own careful testing or your own personal experience when you sleep on it.

One of the advantages of trying mattresses locally is that you can try many different types and styles and firmness levels and compare them to each other in "real time" based on your actual experience rather than just "theory" instead of trying one mattress and not knowing how it compares to the other mattresses that you could have tried or purchased instead.

Of course many online mattresses have a good trial period and return policy so you can try them in your bedroom instead of a showroom with little risk (outside of the time you spend sleeping on it and/or returning it if that becomes necessary or any costs involved in the return process) so if it's not a "good enough" match for you in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP (including motion transfer) you can just return it and try another mattress although of course you will only know whether it's "good enough" and you won't know whether it would have been better or worse or how it compares to other mattresses that you could have purchased that you haven't tried in person.

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Good value with low motion transfer? 06 Aug 2016 16:33 #3

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Thanks for the response, Phoenix! I live in the Washington, DC area, if you might have any recommendations for nearby retailers.

Pardon, should've mentioned that I have had the chance to go through many of the tutorial-type threads. Tons of reading, lots of very useful information. I appreciate your work on all that! Cribbed the mattress specs from your stickied thread on the simplified choices sellers.

The Zinus was dirt cheap and bought with the intent that it'd last me two years, so not feeling too bad about that purchase, but definitely in the market for something higher-quality this time around. I imagine any of the mattresses I listed would be a solid choice, since, well, you listed them yourself first. ;-) That said, the tricky part has been narrowing down that list of finalists. There's no particular wrong or right answer, huh?

I think I'll wind up picking The Love Bed out of the ones I mentioned. The idea of memory foam-like comfort with improved response from the Energex seems appealing. And Nest seems like a solid company. I suppose at some point I just have to make a decision and try sleeping on one; only so much to figure out from online research. That said, while I think I'll use The Love Bed as my baseline, would certainly be curious if there are any local sellers that might have good options. Maybe also worth me calling up Nest and asking them whether The Love Bed is in fact a good fit.

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Good value with low motion transfer? 06 Aug 2016 17:25 #4

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Hi Tulrin,

I live in the Washington, DC area


Subject to first confirming that any retailer or manufacturer on the list you wish to deal with is completely transparent (see this article ) and to making sure that any mattress you are considering meets your specific criteria and the quality/value guidelines here ... the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in and around the Washington, DC area are listed in post #2 here .

I think I'll wind up picking The Love Bed out of the ones I mentioned. The idea of memory foam-like comfort with improved response from the Energex seems appealing. And Nest seems like a solid company.


While I certainly agree with you that Nest Bedding is a solid company (and as you know they are one of the members here as well) ... the Energex is a polyfoam material that is more resilient than memory foam so it won't be quite as motion isolating as memory foam (although it would be "motion isolating enough" for many people. They also carry memory foam mattresses that would likely be more motion isolating than the Love Bed as well. As you mentioned it would also make sense to talk with them on the phone (along with any other online choice that you are considering) and I consider a phone conversation to be one of the most important parts of making any online mattress purchase.

I imagine any of the mattresses I listed would be a solid choice, since, well, you listed them yourself first. ;-) That said, the tricky part has been narrowing down that list of finalists. There's no particular wrong or right answer, huh?


You're certainly right that there is no wrong or right answer because unlike the quality and durability of the materials in a mattress which are more objective and that you can assess before a purchase ... the only way to know for certain how well you will sleep on any mattress or how it will compare to other mattresses that you could have purchased or how well it will meet all the criteria that are important to you will be based on your own personal experience.

Once you have narrowed down your options to a list of finalists that are all choices between "good and good" and you have confirmed that none of them have any lower quality materials or "weak links" in their design and if at this point there are no clear winners between them (which is usually a good indication that you have done some good research) then you are in the fortunate position that any of them would likely be a suitable choice and post #2 here can help you make a final choice based on your more detailed conversations with each of them, your personal preferences, your confidence about PPP and the suitability of each one, their prices, the options you have after a purchase to fine tune the mattress or exchange or return the mattress or individual layers and any costs involved, any additional extras that are part of each purchase, and on "informed best judgement" based on all the other objective, subjective, and intangible parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

In its simplest form choosing the "best possible" mattress for any particular person really comes down to FIRST finding a few knowledgeable and transparent retailers and/or manufacturers (either locally or online) that sell the types of mattresses that you are most interested in that are in a budget range you are comfortable with and that you have confirmed will provide you with the all the information you need about the materials and components inside the mattresses they sell so you will be able to make informed choices and meaningful comparisons between mattresses and then ...

1. Careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in the tutorial) to make sure that a mattress is a good match for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP ... and/or that you are comfortable with the options you have available to return, exchange, or "fine tune" the mattress and any costs involved if you can't test a mattress in person or aren't confident that your mattress is a suitable choice.

2. Checking to make sure that there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress you are considering relative to your weight range that could compromise the durability and useful life of the mattress.

3. Comparing your finalists for "value" based on #1 and #2 and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

I'm looking forward to finding out what you end up deciding :)

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Good value with low motion transfer? 26 Oct 2017 20:48 #5

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Wow, this was over a year ago, huh? Sorry for the failure to reply!

Anyways, I wound up buying the Love Mattress, and it's been holding up wonderfully! Stupidly comfortable, plush but supportive. The Energex is great for activities, and I'm absolutely glad I went that route instead of memory foam.

I think my co-sleeping issues aren't mattress related, so that's a bummer, but hey. Thanks again for your advice! The Love Mattress is great. I'm pointing my GF at the Arctic Dreams since she's considering an inexpensive new mattress for herself and loves mine.

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Good value with low motion transfer? 27 Oct 2017 10:47 #6

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Hi Tulrin,

Nice to hear from you again!

Anyways, I wound up buying the Love Mattress, and it's been holding up wonderfully! Stupidly comfortable, plush but supportive. The Energex is great for activities, and I'm absolutely glad I went that route instead of memory foam.


I’m happy that your Love mattress is working out well for you – I appreciate the update.

I think my co-sleeping issues aren't mattress related, so that's a bummer, but hey. Thanks again for your advice! The Love Mattress is great. I'm pointing my GF at the Arctic Dreams since she's considering an inexpensive new mattress for herself and loves mine.


Arctic Dreams does represent one of the better “values” in the budget category of mattresses for the quality of materials it uses.

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