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I've Given Up On Latex 06 Aug 2016 11:08 #1

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I just received an Urban Green talalay 10" latex mattress on June 20, 2016 and, as of Aug 6, 2016, it is already noticeably sagging and causing back issues.. See pics below, which show the approximate biggest sag point and the end of the bed , where there is no sag. I've had this exact same thing happen with latex from other manufacturers. FWIW, I'm only 150 lbs and the foundation is a super strong and flat stainless steel cage type structure. This is going to be a major pain to return, especially given my bad back.

When I first got it, my morning back pain/stiffness was dramatically reduced. But, it has slowly been coming back as I have also slowly noticed the sensation of rolling towards the center of the mattress, indicating a sag. So, I took off the cover discovered the cause of my problem. Between this and the bad smell of the Joma wool which is causing nighttime stuffiness and allergy symptoms, this has been a total bust. Total waste of cash.

At this point, I'm ready to just sleep on the floor on a sheet. :(



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I've Given Up On Latex 06 Aug 2016 11:31 #2

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Dave_C::

Is it possible for you to provide photos of your support network under your mattress - not only the foundation but the support under the foundation? You mention it's a steel cage (which I wouldn't normally recommend for a latex mattress), but is it a semi-flex foundation or a torsion-modular design?

While it's normal to see a bit of set in latex, to have two beds do this in such a short time is odd. You mentioned sleeping upon the floor. Are you able to place the mattress directly upon the floor and sleep on it like that for a few nights to see if it feels different?

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I've Given Up On Latex 06 Aug 2016 11:37 #3

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Hi Dave_C,

The sagging in your mattress appears to be minimal and by itself wouldn't be enough to cause any pain or discomfort on a mattress but even a low quality foam material wouldn't be sagging after such a short time and outside of the possibility that one of your foam layers is defective (which is possible but not likely) ... it's much more likely that the cause of any sagging in a mattress after only 45 days of use wouldn't be the latex itself. The most likely reason would be the support system under your mattress. Based on your previous posts it seems you have had this happen with several other mattresses as well (latex and polyfoam) which would make it even more likely that this was an issue with a support system.

You can check to see if any of your latex layers are defective by putting them on the floor and then measuring any impressions in each of the individual layers.

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I've Given Up On Latex 06 Aug 2016 21:52 #4

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Guys,

I've been through the foundation issue several times in my history with latex mattresses. The stainless steel cage type I have now was originally purchased from FSF, I believe, with the intent of eventually purchasing one of their mattresses. (I finally did, but it was used on other mattresses in the interim.) I don't think they still sell this type but it was highly recommended in many places online at the time due to its sturdiness and ability to allow air flow underneath the mattress. It's got six legs with a thick center SS crossbar on top of the center two legs. It's as as solid as the rock of Gibraltar and razor flat. The sag is not due to the foundation.

I've had all three latex mattresses on the floor and my previous two latex mattresses on two other very solid, very flat foundations. The sag was identical in all cases. I am convinced that this is simply what latex does. I suspect that most people may not even notice the 0.5-1.0" sag that eventually develops in all of them and, therefore, it simply doesn't get reported much.

However, I have two fractured vertebrae (now healed), one slipped disc as a result of the fractures (retro listhesis) and three discs which are desiccated from injury and are now bulging around the entire circumference of each disc. So, the 0.5-1.0" sag is quite noticeable to me...not to mention the sensation of rolling into the center of the mattress when laying on either non-sagging side. Same exact thing happened to my previous two latex mattresses.

That all said, I did manage to find and install (today) a thin 100% cotton allergenic mattress case to replace the top half of the original FSF cotton/wool mattress case which still smelled terrible and I suspect was aggravating my asthma and seasonal allergy symptoms. I'll see how that works tonight, but initial impressions are good.

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I've Given Up On Latex 06 Aug 2016 22:51 #5

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Hi Dave_C,

I've had all three latex mattresses on the floor and my previous two latex mattresses on two other very solid, very flat foundations. The sag was identical in all cases. I am convinced that this is simply what latex does. I suspect that most people may not even notice the 0.5-1.0" sag that eventually develops in all of them and, therefore, it simply doesn't get reported much.


Based on your previous posts this has happened to you with several mattresses (including the Tuft & Needle which isn't latex). While even good quality foam materials including latex will show some slight sagging over longer periods of time ... in the case of latex it certainly shouldn't reach 1" (many latex mattresses consider a .75" impression in the latex to be a defect and the "norm" would be less than that as well) and and based on many decades of use this really isn't "what latex does". Rather than placing your whole mattress on the floor I would place your individual latex layers on the floor to see if you can identify if any of them are the cause of any sagging but the odds are much higher that it would be the result of the support system under your mattress. It's also possible that if the bottom of your mattress is quilted then it could be the result of the quilting material in the mattress packing down under the areas that you normally sleep on as well.

If you could post a picture of the support system you are using that would be helpful.

That all said, I did manage to find and install (today) a thin 100% cotton allergenic mattress case to replace the top half of the original FSF cotton/wool mattress case which still smelled terrible and I suspect was aggravating my asthma and seasonal allergy symptoms. I'll see how that works tonight, but initial impressions are good.


That sounds promising and I hope it helps with your asthma and allergy symptoms.

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