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Berkeley Ergonomics mattress 28 Jul 2016 13:02 #11

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I also want to talk about the term 'organic' for a moment. In the strictest sense of the word which has an origin in chemistry. Organic materials are anything that contains carbon. Carbon is the chemistry of life here on Earth and that is how the term Organic chemistry came to be known.

So technically speaking, since most synthetic materials are carbon based they are indeed organic. The VOC's that people worry about are called Volatile ORGANIC Compounds. So technically just because something is Organic does not make it safe. This is why every material used in these mattresses are tested for safety, the emphasis on safety being the key thing.

The term organic with regards to organic certificates and what people 'think' it means is something wholly different. USDA organic has an approved list of synthetic chemicals for both crop and livestock production. Most people think organic means it is 100% free of such chemicals. The USDA has a wonderful criteria to meet but its just not what most people believe it to mean. And while the criteria is certainly good, any criteria for organic certification is by definition arbitrary and actually misleading in and of itself because it is a departure from the strictest sense of the word in chemistry. So to me there is an irony here if not a complete double standard..

People think organic means 'safe', all the safety certificates including Oeko-Tex Standard 100 for the fabric used for the coils in these mattresses really mean more than arbitrary organic certificates. So for this person to have such a vendetta because one sales person did not have a complete grasp on chemistry is just ludicrous.

Apparently to be able to sell a mattress to someone today we need to be accredited engineers, doctors perhaps, and chemists. To be anything less would simply just be bad service and deserving of any criticism they receive no matter how off base.













^^ More sarcasm, because I don't trust it will always be read correctly :)

Berkeley Ergonomics mattress 02 Aug 2016 14:03 #12

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Daniel-Are you with tmasc.ca? If so, don’t you have FOUR false (Berkeley Ergonomic) organic claims on your site right now? tmasc.ca/organic-mattress-toppers/organic-talalay-latex-pillow-top.html It appears you falsely claim “Organic Topper” twice (1” and 2” models) and describe them each as “A true organic topper!”.

I think retailers that advertise with false organic claims for EXPENSIVE items are FAR more despicable than a consumer who is pointing out the false claims.

I think consumers want to know the truth.

Also, if Berkeley is so transparent, why don't they advise/educate the dealers to stop making false claims?

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Hi Taylorajay,


In an earlier post you say ...

thanks for taking the time to check it out. It was not my intention to make this into a big issue.


... and yet you are doing exactly that.

I am beginning to suspect that you are either the same person that I was referring to in my earlier posts or that you are part of a "team" that is on a vendetta against BE. It certainly seems clear that the only reason you came here was to attack Berkeley Ergonomics since you have posted about nothing else since you became a member here.

These are not the actions of a typical consumer that would state their opinions and read the extensive replies and then "agree to disagree" and allow others that read this topic to make up their own minds.

You have had your say and made the points you wanted to make and you have had the chance to read the extensive replies to your comments. While I realize that you may have different opinions from those that have replied to you (including myself) ... it's time to let the topic rest and move on to other issues and let the other members that read this topic make up their own minds about any agenda you may have and about Berkeley Ergonomic's transparency and the quality, value, and safety of their mattresses.

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Berkeley Ergonomics mattress 02 Aug 2016 15:27 #14

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Taylorajay,

I would hope to have some positive discourse but since I am clearly a despicable human being I am not sure if this is even worth trying. Its certainly never our intention to mislead people, quick 60 seconds of work fixes the issue.

But again if you actually read my last post, the word organic itself in any of these marketing terms is misleading, and the products that carry all of the organic certificates are actually substantially more money by comparison. So if we are misleading people into buying less expensive product that hits the same degree of safety regulation or higher (like C2C Gold) than I accept this indictment because you are speaking of a victim-less crime that was an honest mistake being made in the first place.

Your vitriolic post here is speaking to your own actions to remain willfully ignorant about chemistry, what is safe, what is marketing, what is real and actually what is true. I think Phoenix is right; I have suspected from the beginning that you are one and the same person or person(s) and are simply playing a part because you feel that you have not caused enough damage to an honest company that builds excellent products.

If you would be so kind to remove your listing of us from this page as I have fixed the topper pages would be much appreciated.

ADMIN NOTE:Removed 404 page link | Archived Footprint: mymattressreview-berkeley.com/false-organic-claims.html

Berkeley Ergonomics mattress 02 Aug 2016 17:18 #15

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You were the one that called the person reporting the false claims, "despicable"....am I not allowed to point out the irony of your false organic claims, while you are calling someone else despicable?

I dont see where my attitude has been vitriolic at all. I am just a consumer...not in the mattress biz. If I offended you or your firm, please accept my appology. .

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Hi Taylorjay,

Now that everyone has had their say so that anyone who reads this topic can make up their own minds about your identity or affiliations or the reasons you are posting here along with the issues that have been discussed ... I am locking the topic for any further discussion.

Phoenix
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