>

Welcome to The Mattress Underground FORUM! :cheer:
The first place to start your research is the Mattress Shopping Tutorial
Select the Search Forum tab below to gain access to answers to many mattress related questions.
Select the Ask An Expert tab below to reach out to any of our Expert Members for guidance and advice.

Welcome to The Mattress Underground FORUM! :cheer:

TOPIC:

Zenhaven Mattress 03 Mar 2019 18:00 #81

  • sweetandsourkiwi
  • sweetandsourkiwi's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Elite Member
  • Elite Member
  • Posts: 147
I'm still behind you...interested to see how it turns out!

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Zenhaven Mattress 03 Mar 2019 18:55 #82

  • lotus14
  • lotus14's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Premium Member
  • Premium Member
  • Posts: 60
To answer your first question, I traded the Zenhaven for a Sleeping Organic (med dunlop, soft dunlop, x-soft talalay). Still not quite plush enough, possibly because their cover is so thick and heavy.

Considered adding an x-soft talalay topper but didn't because the first talalay had, and still does, such a strong smell I couldn't have dealt with it outside the cover. The dunlop had almost no smell.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Zenhaven Mattress 03 Mar 2019 20:02 #83

  • sweetandsourkiwi
  • sweetandsourkiwi's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Elite Member
  • Elite Member
  • Posts: 147
Thanks for the extra beta!

Yes, I've had a topper for almost a year that still has the scent. I think it only goes away to a degree. Wow, that is a pretty soft construction...did you ever try it without the cover? I read some reviews of SO that said the cover was an impediment for some people.

For plushness...I wonder if a raw topper or topper encased in stretch fabric would give you what you seek? Toppers can move around you a bit more and feel "plusher".

I also wonder if the energy rebound of latex is what is part of your personal assessment of "plush." Have you tried a foam (energy absorbing instead of rebounding) topper just to see how it feels?

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Zenhaven Mattress 03 Mar 2019 21:10 #84

  • lotus14
  • lotus14's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Premium Member
  • Premium Member
  • Posts: 60
Yes, but without the cover the smell is overpowering. Instant headache/eyes watering. And no, I'm not going back to foam anything! lol

And sorry, the med dunlop, soft dunlop, x-soft talalay config is what I'll have once the soft dunlop exchange gets here in a few days. Right now I have firm, med, x-soft with a 2" Pure Green (soft, 20 ILD) topper - no smell. If the new config helps enough I'll exchange the 2" for a 3". If not I'll return everything and diy. I may diy anyway, I think the SO encasement is why this mattress sleeps hot while the Zenhaven did not with the same topper, etc.

The firmer config was because I was trying to sleep on my back. That did solve shoulder/hip pain. It was amazing. But even with a knee roll or raising the head and foot on my adjustable bed, I developed new, even worse pain in my lower back. I'm just going to have to go plusher and exercise/stretch shoulders and hips so I can get as comfortable as possible on my side.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Zenhaven Mattress 03 Mar 2019 21:44 #85

  • sweetandsourkiwi
  • sweetandsourkiwi's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Elite Member
  • Elite Member
  • Posts: 147
Interesting...I wonder if there's a little something blended into the "natural" latex that doesn't agree with you. I don't think there's such a thing as 100% talalay...more like 96%...

Other than the instant headache, was it comfier on your body to ditch the cover? That would be good info to have for DIY.

It sounds like you've got a lot of layers to play with and get it right either on this bed or a DIY! Even if you have to switch the working talalay layers for dunlop.

It could be the cover, but it could also be warmer because it's softer. The more you sink in, the more you're "covered up".

So sorry about all the pain! Who knew mattresses were so tricky...Zenhaven told me they only had a 5% return rate and I'm like...how.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Zenhaven Mattress 03 Mar 2019 22:42 #86

  • lotus14
  • lotus14's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Premium Member
  • Premium Member
  • Posts: 60

Interesting...I wonder if there's a little something blended into the "natural" latex that doesn't agree with you. I don't think there's such a thing as 100% talalay...more like 96%...

Same with dunlop. The 100% just means (supposedly) no synthetic rubber.

And yes, the new setup should clarify the diy if I go that route. Of course ILDs are not the same from one seller to the next. Foamorder.com says their GOLS dunlop soft is 11-18. Never seen dunlop that soft. SO's soft dunlop is 18-22, Pure Green 20. So it's a dice roll and the return shipping from here to CA would not be cheap!

Actually, this config is not that much softer than the Zenhaven with the topper. If I diy I'll probably go with DIY Bedding's knit encasement. Then cover that with a thin, breathable, waterproof 360 for durability to test for heat.

Thanks for your help. I'll let you know how it goes when I get my replacement layer and start shuffling things around.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Zenhaven Mattress 03 Mar 2019 22:56 #87

  • sweetandsourkiwi
  • sweetandsourkiwi's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Elite Member
  • Elite Member
  • Posts: 147
Thanks for your input! I feel you on the dice roll and return shipping; it's so hard without a good local place to shop. Same boat. I hope it works out for you!

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Zenhaven Mattress 04 Mar 2019 20:36 #88

  • lotus14
  • lotus14's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Premium Member
  • Premium Member
  • Posts: 60
Got my exchange layer today. Removed the cover top and placed topper directly on the talalay top layer. Definitely softer and probably cooler but can't sleep on it because of the smell.

I think you may be right about "something blended into the "natural" latex" that's giving me problems. This smell is way too overpowering to just be latex. Window open with strong fan for 2 hours and still couldn't sleep in here.

So now I have med dunlop 26-32, soft dunlop 18-22, x-soft talalay 14-18, inside the cover and 2" 20 topper. Feels pretty good but of course I won't really know until the morning.

Even if it sleeps well I may still return the SO and diy. Despite the hassle of re-compressing and the risk. Several things about SO have been pretty sketchy and I don't want to breathe whatever fumes are leaking from the cover. I'm also pretty sure I can build a cooler mattress.

At least I'm learning what will work for me.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Zenhaven Mattress 04 Mar 2019 22:55 #89

  • sweetandsourkiwi
  • sweetandsourkiwi's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Elite Member
  • Elite Member
  • Posts: 147
Crazy the smell is so intense! I have a box of natural Dunlop and Talalay samples sitting open in my room and while it did have a faint odor of, I don’t know, vanilla cake? I can’t smell anything now, a few weeks later. I wonder if the supplier and how it is stored makes a difference? What does it smell like? My topper does have a little doughnut smell that I notice when I go to bed, but even brand new it was slight. I can be especially sensitive to anything that smells artificial so I’m feeling like I might have dodged a bit of a bullet! I’m also wondering what the heck is in your latex...

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Stinky Latex! 04 Mar 2019 23:10 #90

  • lotus14
  • lotus14's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Premium Member
  • Premium Member
  • Posts: 60
Agreed. My dunlop layers have a slight vanilla latex rubber smell. Like my topper when it was new. Kinda like it :)

And yeah, I'm wondering what the heck is in my latex too!

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

The Mattress UndergroundCopyright © 2022 The Mattress Underground
TheMattressUndergounf
TMU
TheMattressUndergounf