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Flexus vs. SleepEZ vs. SleepingOrganic 14 Nov 2015 18:53 #1

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I've been researching latex mattresses for a few weeks, and have tried some locally (including Obasan, PranaSleep, and GreenSleep models). I also read much of the very helpful information on this site (Thanks, Phoenix!).

I have an idea of what firmnesses I liked in the models I tried, but I just can't justify the prices of these mattresses.

I started looking online, and I think I have narrowed my choices down to Flexus Natural Comfort (10"), SleepEZ Organic Latex Mattress (10") and SleepingOrganic The Leaf (10"). These were chosen because they all offered 100% Tallalay (rather than blended), amongst other reasons. I know all of these retailers/manufacturers are recommended here, and they all seem to have pluses and minuses. I was wondering if you have any guidance.

From what I can see, Flexus currently has the best price, and an excellent warranty. What I don't like is that they have only 2 layers, and so far, I have tended to like 3 layer construction. I think if I went with medium Dunlop as the base, it would be OK, though.

SleepingOrganic has the highest price and costs for exchange/return, but has a very generous deflection standard on the warranty (0.75"), which is a plus. The 3-layer construction is also a plus.

SleepEZ has a good price, and 3-layer construction. The one thing that concerns me is the warranty being not terribly generous with either the length and pro-rated coverage compared with the others on my list, or with the deflection amount (1.5") before the warranty kicks in. Other than that, I think they would be the clear winner. I do like that they have been in business for a long time.

Does anyone have any experience with these or any suggestions?

I have one other question. I was thinking of soft Tallalay for the top layer (due to the softness and spring), and medium/firm (split) Dunlop for the base layer. I'm not sure whether Dunlop or Tallalay (medium in both cases) would be better for the middle layer in a 3-layer construction. The bed is for 1 side sleeper and 1 side/back sleeper, and we are not large people. Does anyone have suggestions on this question?

Thanks!

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Flexus vs. SleepEZ vs. SleepingOrganic 14 Nov 2015 20:55 #2

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Hi sunlach,

I started looking online, and I think I have narrowed my choices down to Flexus Natural Comfort (10"), SleepEZ Organic Latex Mattress (10") and SleepingOrganic The Leaf (10"). These were chosen because they all offered 100% Tallalay (rather than blended), amongst other reasons. I know all of these retailers/manufacturers are recommended here, and they all seem to have pluses and minuses. I was wondering if you have any guidance.


As you know all three of the manufacturers you are considering are members of this site which means that I think very highly of them and that I believe they all compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, knowledge, and transparency.

There is more about the 3 most important parts of "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on suitability, durability, and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price or course and the options you have available after a purchase).

All of the mattresses you are considering use three 3" layers of latex but I would also make sure that you confirm the type and blend of latex in each of the options you are considering so that you are making more "apples to apples" comparisons between mattresses. There is more about the different types and blends of latex in post #6 here .

In their default configuration ... the Flexus Natural Comfort 10" uses 100% natural Dunlop latex in the bottom two layers and blended talalay latex in the top layer and you can choose the firmness of each of the layers.

The SleepEZ organic select 10" mattress gives you the choice between 100% natural Dunlop or 100% natural Talalay in each of the layers. Their Natural Select mattresses give you the choice between 100% natural Dunlop or blended Talalay in each of the layers.

The Sleeping Organic 10" Leaf also gives you the choice between 100% natural Dunlop or 100% natural Talalay in each of the layers.

All of them have a wool quilted organic cotton cover.

They also each have different return/exchange options that may also be an important part of your personal value equation as well.

From what I can see, Flexus currently has the best price, and an excellent warranty. What I don't like is that they have only 2 layers, and so far, I have tended to like 3 layer construction. I think if I went with medium Dunlop as the base, it would be OK, though.


Again ... their 10" Natural Comfort mattress has 3 layers not 2.

SleepingOrganic has the highest price and costs for exchange/return, but has a very generous deflection standard on the warranty (0.75"), which is a plus. The 3-layer construction is also a plus.

SleepEZ has a good price, and 3-layer construction. The one thing that concerns me is the warranty being not terribly generous with either the length and pro-rated coverage compared with the others on my list, or with the deflection amount (1.5") before the warranty kicks in. Other than that, I think they would be the clear winner. I do like that they have been in business for a long time.


While a warranty is important to guard against manufacturing defects in the materials or components inside a mattress ... I would keep in mind that mattress warranties only cover manufacturing defects and they don't cover the gradual (or more rapid in the case of lower quality comfort layers) loss of comfort and support that comes from foam softening that is the main reason that most people will need to replace their mattress. In other words warranties have little to do with the durability or useful life of a mattress or how long it may be until you need to buy a new mattress. If there is an actual defect in the materials it will usually show up early in the life of the mattress but knowing the quality and durability of the materials in your mattress is always a much more reliable way to assess the useful life of a mattress than the length of a warranty. There is more about mattress warranties in post #174 here .

Since all of the mattresses you are considering use the same or similar quality materials the durability and useful life of each of them would be very closely comparable. One of the advantages of a component mattress as well is that you can replace just a single layer instead of replacing the whole mattress if one of the layers softens or breaks down before the others (usually the top layer) or if your needs and preferences change over time.

When you can't test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart (which would certainly all of the manufacturers you are considering) and who can help "talk you through" the specifics of their mattresses and the properties and "feel" of the materials they are using (fast or slow response, resilience, firmness etc) and the options they have available that may be the best "match" for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked or other mattresses you are considering that they are familiar with, and the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about "matching" their specific mattress designs and firmness levels to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else.

Once you have narrowed down your options to a list of finalists that are all choices between "good and good" (which they are) and none of them have any lower quality materials or "weak links" in their design relative to your weight (which they don't) and if at that point there are no clear winners between them (which is usually a good indication that you have done some very good research) then you are in the fortunate position that any of them would likely be a suitable choice and post #2 here can help you make a final choice based on your local testing or mattresses you have slept well on, your more detailed conversations about each of them, your confidence about PPP and the suitability of each one, the quality and durability of the materials, their prices, your preferences for different types of materials, the options you have after a purchase to fine tune the mattress or exchange or return the mattress or individual layers, any additional extras that are part of each purchase, and on "informed best judgement" based on all the other objective, subjective, and intangible parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

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Flexus vs. SleepEZ vs. SleepingOrganic 15 Nov 2015 08:18 #3

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Hi Phoenix,

Thanks for your detailed reply!

You're obviously right about the layers on the Flexus. Somehow, I looked at the page for their Dual Comfort, which has two layers of 3" and 6", instead of the Flexus Natural Comfort. Thanks for pointing that out! It looks like the Flexus has only Dunlop on the bottom two layers, and only Tallalay on the top layer, while the other two manufacturers allow a choice on all three layers.

Your point about warranties is also well-taken.

Of course, your reply just brings the manufacturers a little closer together in my mind, so, as you say, it looks like there are no bad choices. I'll take your suggestion of talking to the manufacturers before making a final decision.

Thanks again!

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Flexus vs. SleepEZ vs. SleepingOrganic 15 Nov 2015 11:41 #4

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Before you order any of the three you mentioned, I suggest a review of what Cozy Pure has to offer. Especially now.

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Flexus vs. SleepEZ vs. SleepingOrganic 15 Nov 2015 19:09 #5

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Thanks, PapaMike. I'll definitely check them out - one more to consider.

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Flexus vs. SleepEZ / Talalay vs Dunlop 14 Feb 2018 14:27 #6

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Found my way here looking to start a thread as well to ask my question.

I have been lurking for a few weeks as I have been researching and educating myself. This is a great resource.
As you may expect, I am looking at a new mattress. In my research, latex has turned out to be my likely route and have down selected to two different manufacturers.
I am a 185 pound stomach sleeper and the wife is a 170 pound side to back sleeper.
I prefer firm, she prefers medium to medium/soft.
The first mattress we are considering are the SleepEZ 13" Organic 4-layer in a split configuration of M-T / F-T/ F-D / EF-D (left side) and S-T / M-T/ F-D / EF-D (right side). We are debating on going with the M-T for the top layer of the right side.
The second mattress is the Flexus Natural Latex 13" 4-layer split configuration as well. The configuration being M-T / M-D/ F-D / EF-D (left side) and S-T / M-D/ F-D / EF-D (right side).
Our thoughts is going with a 4-layer, it will give us the maximum options for customizing.
When comparing the SleepEZ and the Flexus, is the second layer being a Talalay worth the price differential of $350? I don't mind the investment if will truly make a difference.

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Flexus vs. SleepEZ / Talalay vs Dunlop 15 Feb 2018 22:29 #7

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Hi rudy1337.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum! :) and thank you for your appreciation.

I moved your post to a different thread which discusses some of the products you are considering.

With the classical “him” and “her” different preferences and combination sleeping a side-by-side split seems to be a win-win for both. :)

Our thoughts is going with a 4-layer, it will give us the maximum options for customizing.
When comparing the SleepEZ and the Flexus, is the second layer being a Talalay worth the price differential of $350?


As for “worth”, while price is certainly important of course .. the "value" of a particular purchase is what is most important and price is just one of many factors that can affect the "value" of a mattress purchase. There isn't a "formula" that can be used to assess or "calculate" the value of a mattress because there are so many different variables and criteria involved that can affect the price of a mattress that can each be more or less important to some people and not to others who may have completely different criteria or definitions of "value" and only you can decide this based on your personal value equation and all parts that are most important to you (including the price of course, adjustability, and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for).

Talalay in the same ILD as Dunlop will be less dense (will weigh less than Dunlop per cubic foot of material) because it has more air in it. (Talalay vs Dunlop would be like angel food cake vs pound cake) Although they both have the same general properties they will feel slightly different, with Talalay being considered springier and with a softer overall feel than Dunlop in the same ILD… Some people like the feel of it some don’t and you have to test it and assess if this important to you. Talalay is also more expensive to produce with the natural version being more extensive than the Synthetic alternative called Styrene Butadiene Rubber (SBR) or Blended. The natural version is more difficult and lengthy to obtain and work with. Keep in mind that the Top layer is where you would notice most of the differences between the two.

For Talalay ... the higher ILD's use proportionally more latex (are denser) so the cell walls are thicker and more elastic. This in combination with the fact that higher ILD's are usually used in the core of a mattress where there is less mechanical stress on the material means that it is probably a tossup and because of its better performance I would say the NR has better overall properties than a blend in higher ILD's but of course also more expensive and the practical differences between them may not justify the increased cost.

Talalay is also more open-celled than Dunlop and would be more breathable and has a more consistent, even, and stronger cell structure because even though there is less latex overall ... the cell walls or "struts" are thicker and more consistent. For a more in-depth look there is an interesting post by FloBeds one of our Expert Members which points to some of the “differences” between the Talalay and Dunlop, and you may wish to peruse to see if this would justify the price differential according to your personal value equation .

You can also read more about the differences between Talalay and Dunlop in Post #7 here

As you probably are already aware, both SleepEZ and Flexus Comfort are our Trusted Members here which means that I think very highly of them and that I believe that they compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, knowledge, and transparency. They are extremely knowledgeable about latex and different configurations, and I would advise you to have a detailed phone conversation with either of these companies before making a purchase in order to confirm your choice of comfort layers.

I’d be interested to learn of your eventual decision

Good luck!

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Flexus vs. SleepEZ / Talalay vs Dunlop 16 Feb 2018 13:50 #8

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I am leaning towards the Flexus at this point. Considering the difference in pricing, I figure I can buy a Talalay layer for less than or very close to the difference in price.
However, I submitted some questions on the contact us page of their site a couple days ago and have yet to get a response. I tried calling a little while ago to talk to someone and was on hold until it went to message. Hopefully my phone message will not go unanswered like my contact us questions have.

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Flexus vs. SleepEZ / Talalay vs Dunlop 16 Feb 2018 18:13 #9

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Received a phone call back from James. I was not home, so the wife spoke with the Flexus representative. She explained what we were looking for and our profiles. He questioned why we thought we needed the 13" model agreeing that it would give us the most flexibility, but stated a 10" would work for us. If at some later point we thought we wanted more, we could buy a topper. So he essentially talked us into saving money.
The configuration we had come up, he agreed was good for us and gave us his recommendation for a 10" model.
I just placed our order. They are running a sale right now and gave us the Mattress Underground discount.
So far so good...

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Flexus vs. SleepEZ / Talalay vs Dunlop 17 Feb 2018 02:48 #10

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Hi rudy1337.

Thanks for the update. I am glad that your wife spoke with James and discussed your options in more depth. His suggestions and your final decision make good sense to me. (I am glad you received your discount as well)

Congratulations on your new mattress purchase! :cheer:

You certainly chose something using good quality and durable materials. As you are aware Flexus Comfort is of our Trusted Members which means that I think very highly of them and that I believe that they compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, knowledge, and transparency.

I hope you have the chance to share an update when you've had the chance to sleep on it for a bit.

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