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Ikea Sultan Atloy under BME 13 Sep 2015 11:52 #1

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First, see the end for my questions if you want to skip all the other details..
Second, thanks for the info I've consumed prior to this post.

We're ordered a King Brooklyn Bedding BME in medium firmness. We decided on this based on recommendations on this site (and other recommendations) and after testing some latex/other foam beds in a local store to ensure we like the feel of latex vs. memory foam and innerspring beds. We thought the soft might be too soft, not just for feel, but causing our 6 year old daughter who climbs in with us to roll into me (I'm 200lbs.).

Background: We've typically purchased very soft/plush beds and have enjoyed them. We've also spent many times more than the cost of this mattress. The Heavenly Bed and W Beds are okay (saved by the toppers/pads they use), but are too firm for our taste, for example. Our current bed is 11 years old and the indentations are too large/deep. At this time, however, we're not looking to spend $3500 for a Dunlopillo or $6500 for the other brand I tried. One of the opinions I've developed is that nearly any bed will develop indentations overtime (unless we buy an expensive flippable such as a Vispring and really flip it) or buy a foam bedd with no topper. My strategy is to buy a less expensive mattress with the idea that I can replace a $900 bed three times in 10 yrs for the cost of a $2700 bed.

Anyway, so we like soft beds and need a foundation (we're going from Cal King to King). The plan was to buy an Ikea storage bed (Malm) and buy the more expensive flexible slats (Lonset) which have a close spacing and have some flex for added comfort. The thought was that with a medium, a flexible base and the addition of a decent mattress pad/cover ($100ish cotton/poly/bamboo or some such, not a topper), we'd get a fairly plush feel, some good bounce with some underlying support.

We were about to buy the bed and then saw the foundations with legs. The Sultan Atloy is the most expensive. It is an upholstered foundation and you can add legs (so we can still slide storage drawers or bins underneath). It also looks more "grownup" than most other Ikea bed offerings (and it more expensive than most). The upholstery is padded underneath and is of a quality such that you can use exposed (it's made to be used that way, without the need for a bed skirt).

From the top down, it is constructed as follows:

1. Fairly substantial cloth cover, pulled taut.
2. Bonnell Steel Coils. Can't identify gauge or spacing. They seem to be about 2"-3" tall.
3. Rigid wood slats at 2 1/4" spacing.

It has a wood from, of course, around the outside with padding and the upholstery over that. It has a 25 year warranty. For Ikea, it's expensive. $450 for the king base, plus $80 for the legs we chose and $5 for a set of connectors (it's a split base). It' used as a base for their own most expensive, latex based, mattress.

So, to the questions:

1. Is this an appropriate base for the mattress?
2. Will it shorten the life o the mattress significantly? We don't expect to get 10 years. If we get 3-5 years from the mattress, I'm fine.
3. Will the coils give us a little more cushion, help with a coil mattress like bounce, without causing things like "roll-in' up top?

Thoughts and advice appreciated.

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Ikea Sultan Atloy under BME 13 Sep 2015 12:40 #2

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Austin, your base for the mattress sounds fine. I'll tell you something. I've been eyeing the Captain's bed for awhlle myself. I won't share a link with you because you will probably drool all over the computer screen.

Oh, and your mattress is designed to last for over ten years. If you get less then ten you can, and should call the company that you purchased it from. BB is guaranteeing ten years and, I suspect they are a company to stand behind their warranty.

Ok, I lied. Go ahead and drool. Now I need to find plans to make a similar one for me and my family.

www.ultimatebed.com/landing/?sesid=JHkrfKEAhBXeu78Sgos

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Ikea Sultan Atloy under BME 13 Sep 2015 12:47 #3

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Hi AustinOski,

I switched your post and the other replies into a new topic of it's own since it is more about the foundation than the mattress.

We're ordered a King Brooklyn Bedding BME in medium firmness. We decided on this based on recommendations on this site (and other recommendations) and after testing some latex/other foam beds in a local store to ensure we like the feel of latex vs. memory foam and innerspring beds. We thought the soft might be too soft, not just for feel, but causing our 6 year old daughter who climbs in with us to roll into me (I'm 200lbs.).


The soft would be softer than most people in your weight range would choose based on "averages" and it certainly makes sense that you would be compressing the softer foam layers more which would cause your daughter who is lighter to roll into you.

One of the opinions I've developed is that nearly any bed will develop indentations overtime (unless we buy an expensive flippable such as a Vispring and really flip it) or buy a foam bedd with no topper. My strategy is to buy a less expensive mattress with the idea that I can replace a $900 bed three times in 10 yrs for the cost of a $2700 bed.


There is some good information about the 3 most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on suitability, durability, and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase to fine tune the mattress or the exchange return options that are available to you).

The most common reason for premature soft spots (virtual impressions) or visible impressions in a mattress (regardless of the price of the mattress) is lower quality materials in the upper comfort layers (a mattress will tend to soften or break down from the top down) but if you follow the suggestions in the quality/durability guidelines here and make sure that a mattress you purchase used higher quality and more durable materials and that it doesn't have any weak links in the design then it would be reasonable to expect that a mattress (regardless of the price) will have a useful life in the range of 7 - 10 years and if the materials are higher quality and more durable than the minimum guidelines then it would likely be in the upper end of the range and possibly even longer.

I would keep in mind that the price of a mattress isn't a good indication of how long it will last and there are many mattresses that are in a much higher budget range that use lower quality and less durable materials that will soften and break down much too quickly relative to the price you paid. There are also many mattresses in lower budget ranges that use very low quality materials that may only end up having a useful lifetime that can be measured in months or possibly a few years. The most reliable way to assess the durability and useful life of a mattress relative to different people and other mattresses you are considering ... regardless of the price ... is based on the quality and durability of the materials and components inside it.

1. Is this an appropriate base for the mattress?


It certainly isn't an ideal choice. There is more about the different types of support systems that generally work best with different types of mattresses in post #1 here . There is also more about support systems that would be suitable for TheBestMattressEver (or other mattresses that use a similar support core) in this topic as well. In general terms ... a foam mattress will do best on a support system that has very little to no flex under the mattress and that has a large enough support surface area and small enough gaps in between the load bearing surfaces to prevent the mattress from sinking or sagging into any gaps in the support system over time.

2. Will it shorten the life o the mattress significantly? We don't expect to get 10 years. If we get 3-5 years from the mattress, I'm fine.


It may shorten the useful life of the mattress to some degree because of the additional flexing under the mattress (although I don't know how much) but the biggest issue is that the additional flex may affect the support of the mattress and the ability of your sleeping system to keep you in good alignment over the course of the night. The only way to know this for certain though will be based on your actual sleeping experience.

3. Will the coils give us a little more cushion, help with a coil mattress like bounce, without causing things like "roll-in' up top?


The coils won't provide as much cushion as adding a topper because the mattress on top of the coils will absorb most of the weight of the people sleeping on the mattress and if you have a foam mattress that is too firm then I would use a topper instead of adding some additional flex underneath the mattress which you may or may not feel. It could add a little bounce to the mattress but latex is already a very resilient material so this wouldn't normally be a significant issue and the box spring under the mattress could also add to motion transfer between the sides of the mattress as well.

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Ikea Sultan Atloy under BME 14 Sep 2015 09:53 #4

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Phoenix,

Thanks for the reply above. Interestingly, when I spoke with Keaton at BB, he said any foundation would do (including our old box spring set). However, after reading your posts, I went to the BB site and found this:

brooklynbedding.com/blog/buying-a-foundation-for-a-latex-or-memory-foam-mattress/

It clearly states not to use a box spring and that it might void the warranty. So, the Ikea Sultan Atloy is a no go based both on that and your comments above and in the support thread.

Both of you (Phoenix and BB) recommend Ikea products as a viable solution. However, the slatted wood bases and foundations (for use with their frames) have positive and negatives for a foam mattress such as the BME, based what I've read on this site:

Negatives
1. The slats have flex, you recommend rigid.
2. The only rigid base (Lade) only comes in twin size (we have a king).
3. The foundations (Sultan Aram -not the box coil, we bought) have slats more than 3 inches apart.

Positives
1. Flexible slats bases are as close as about 1/2 apart (Lonset).
3. Flexible slats ( have strong center beam running head to foot.

- Do you recommend a specific Ikea solution as better than other Ikea solutions for a BB BME mattress, if someone is going to buy there?
- Is the wider spacing of the slats in the Sultan Aram mitigated by the taut cloth over the top?
- Is the flexible nature of the Lonset offset by the very close spacing, strong center support and divided structure (slats for each side of the bed)?

Note: Just chatted with Mario at BB, their POV is the flex in the slats is okay, provided they are less than 3" apart. We'd get the Lonset with the 1/2 spacing (seems closer would be better). Perhaps the flex is little enough that it's not a problem?

I'm going to go to Ikea and measure the distance between the slats on the Sultan Aram. I did a search, but could not find the metric on this site. Perhaps others will benefit.
Thanks,

AO

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Ikea Sultan Atloy under BME 14 Sep 2015 12:03 #5

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Hi AustinOski,

- Do you recommend a specific Ikea solution as better than other Ikea solutions for a BB BME mattress, if someone is going to buy there?


My general suggestions are listed in the links I posted in my previous reply (post #3 in this topic).

- Is the wider spacing of the slats in the Sultan Aram mitigated by the taut cloth over the top?

I'm going to go to Ikea and measure the distance between the slats on the Sultan Aram. I did a search, but could not find the metric on this site. Perhaps others will benefit.


The Aram has cardboard on top which would mitigate any sagging more than the cloth covering but as a general guideline I would still make sure that the slats were no more than 5" apart (and less is better) because the cardboard can still sag over time and it would also have less airflow under the mattress (see post #10 here ).

I believe that the gap between the slats in the Aram would be about 7" (see post #2 here ) which would be more than I would generally suggest.

- Is the flexible nature of the Lonset offset by the very close spacing, strong center support and divided structure (slats for each side of the bed)?


While the Lonset would be supportive enough because of the closer distance between the slats and there wouldn't be any risk of the mattress sagging in between the slats ... a foundation with flexible slats can change the feel and performance of the mattress compared to a foundation that has slats that don't have any flex. They would provide suitable support for most mattresses but they may not be the best choice if the mattress itself is already a good match for you in terms of PPP when it's on a rigid support system that doesn't have any flex because it could add some additional softness in the deeper layers of the sleeping system which could have an effect on support/alignment over the course of the night in some cases. There is more information about the pros and cons of a flexible slat support system in post #2 here .

Note: Just chatted with Mario at BB, their POV is the flex in the slats is okay, provided they are less than 3" apart. We'd get the Lonset with the 1/2 spacing (seems closer would be better). Perhaps the flex is little enough that it's not a problem?


The only way to know for certain though whether the combination of the Lonset and the BME would be a good "match" for you in terms of PPP will be based on your own personal sleeping experience.

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Ikea Sultan Atloy under BME 14 Sep 2015 15:31 #6

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Here is some info on Ikea products, as a follow-up to my previous posts:

- The Sultan Aram foundation would be unsuitable for a Brooklyn Bedding BME mattress (and probably many other foam/latex mattresses), because the slats are about 7" apart.
- The Lonset slats are very close together, about 3/4", but are very, very flexible.
- The Luroy slats are spaced at 2 3/4" apart, have a little flex, but are much more rigid than the Lonset. The are also Convex, so if/when the mattress does cause flex, they may end-up being fairly flat (that's just my guess, not factually based).
- For a king bed, each slat is 1/2 the width of the frame and there is a metal support that runs the length of the bed (head to foot).

So, we are using the Leroy slats with an Ikea frame (Malm) with drawers.

Mario at BB says the Ikea slats should work with their mattress, btw.

So, we are using the Leroy slats with an Ikea frame (Malm) with drawers.

Hope this helps others. I could not find info on Ikea slat spacing for Ikea products on this site, Ikea's site or using "the Google".

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Ikea Sultan Atloy under BME 14 Sep 2015 22:09 #7

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Hi AustinOski,

I switched your post into the other topic you were posting in about support systems for the BME.

- The Sultan Aram foundation would be unsuitable for a Brooklyn Bedding BME mattress (and probably many other foam/latex mattresses), because the slats are about 7" apart.


As I mentioned in the link in my previous reply ... I would agree with you here.

- The Lonset slats are very close together, about 3/4", but are very, very flexible.
- The Luroy slats are spaced at 2 3/4" apart, have a little flex, but are much more rigid than the Lonset. The are also Convex, so if/when the mattress does cause flex, they may end-up being fairly flat (that's just my guess, not factually based).
- For a king bed, each slat is 1/2 the width of the frame and there is a metal support that runs the length of the bed (head to foot).


I also agree that both of these would provide suitable support as long as they didn't negatively affect the feel and performance of the mattress although they would need a bedframe with good center support to the floor that would provide the extra height that most people would need with both of these options.

Thanks for measuring the spacing for the Lonset and for the Luroy ... I appreciate it :)

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