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Does anyone have suggestions on measuring sag in latex toppers or a mattress? 06 Sep 2015 07:00 #1

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Any ideas are appreciated as I am trying to find out the best method for a new and old topper as it seems the new topper I have is sagging in which may be due to the mattress but it doesn't appear it has much of any sag.. I am seeming to have sag on my new 3" topper as my old topper with supposedly similar ILD ratings. This is only after 3 nights and I am completely puzzled as this I figure shouldn't happen.
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Does anyone have suggestions on measuring sag in latex toppers or a mattress? 06 Sep 2015 09:31 #2

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Hi Bunny1999,

To measure any sag in a topper you would need to remove the topper and put it on a large and perfectly flat surface (the floor would be ideal) and then either run a string from edge to edge or use a straight edge (such as a broom handle) across the topper and then measure the depth of the sag from the bottom of the straight edge or from the string.

I would also make sure that the flat surface is very clean because latex can pick up hair and dirt very easily.

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Does anyone have suggestions on measuring sag in latex toppers or a mattress? 06 Sep 2015 16:00 #3

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Thank you!
We are doing just as you suggested!
I will get back to you and let you know what we found out.

I will say this, after explaining to the man we bought the 3" New Latex Topper from on. eBay, he said this! This Topper you bought is Brand New, it cannot be a defective Topper. He wants pictures, measurements, and wants us to talk to his shipper, directly Tuesday.

The Truth is , he sold it to us, we paid Him directly , he never saw the Latex Mattress Topper as far as I know, he works at another job also! His shipper is the one whom boxed up the Latex Mattress Topper, and shipped the Latex Mattress Topper to us. With the Original mans name on Return Address. As he told me , the Shipper did not ship when he thought they would. ( It appears there are more then one person making profits on this Sell and others on eBay). Which is legal, but much more room for errors also.
And the Honest truth is,
"There is not anything made, that are sometimes made defective! "

Phoenix :
Thank you for the great advice on measuring as perfectly as possible!
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Does anyone have suggestions on measuring sag in latex toppers or a mattress? 06 Sep 2015 16:14 #4

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Hi Bunny,

While a defective topper or latex layer would be very unlikely ... it's certainly not impossible with any product.

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Does anyone have suggestions on measuring sag in latex toppers or a mattress? 12 Sep 2015 04:27 #5

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Phoenix,
Well the Topper had sunk nearly -1/2" in 4 nights.
Did the string test, measured it and it came out as almost 1/2 " almost , letting it set for hours after staying off. How much it sunk when I was on it had to be much more!!! I was the only one sleeping on it!

I finally had no choice we left it off, put old Topper on as my back went completely , the night we measured. I did not hold anything as my Hips hurt enornormisly sleeping on the New Topper...It was a bad experience, one I pray I do not have again. It is the worst my back has been since 2011. After 3 back adjustments, today is the first day I was not in a painful condition all day long.

Of course over Labor day, thankful still had other Topper, husband cut off the bad side I slept on and put the Middle Part on for me. My back was in awful condition, I could not stand up straight for several days, but did felt better then the other Topper! Was it Defective I will not, nor will I ever know!

The Man whom sold is excepting it back, We are waiting for it to Arrive and receive a Refund! We are Thankful he was cordial enough to except the measurement pictures, and offered us a Refund! . At first he thought it was on top of Mattress, the Pictures, it was on 2 Clean Sheets on Floor. Had to lighten the pictures to see it well on sheets on floor.

I do know this, I do not know if we will buy a Latex Mattress Topper without seeing it! And we might buy a completely New Latex ot Talalay 3 Layer Mattress, my husband spoke about one, it was a strange New mattress company. Caspers!!! I think it is nothing we want!

Will look other places when I feel better.
Thanks for the measuring ideas.
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Does anyone have suggestions on measuring sag in latex toppers or a mattress? 12 Sep 2015 08:23 #6

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Hi Bunny,

If your topper was sagging by 1/2" on the floor (without any weight) then it certainly sounds like it was defective and I'm glad you were able to return it for a refund.

And we might buy a completely New Latex ot Talalay 3 Layer Mattress, my husband spoke about one, it was a strange New mattress company. Caspers!!! I think it is nothing we want!


Casper doesn't really have enough latex inside it to legitimately be called a latex mattress although it does contain a thin 1.5" layer of synthetic Dunlop latex. You can read more about them and some of the other simplified choice mattresses in post #2 here . A forum search on Casper (you can just click the link) will also bring up much more information about them as well.

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Does anyone have suggestions on measuring sag in latex toppers or a mattress? 12 Sep 2015 21:15 #7

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Yes I agree Phoenix, , dislike upsetting anyone, but a New 3" Latex Mattress Topper I do not think should sink that swiftly.

Phoenix is all honesty, whom Do you trust to order a 3" Latex Mattress Topper from? If you do mind me asking!

I have read here for hours, about everything about what others talk about too! I am no expert, but for a Complete well made Latex Mattresses , it appears there are Several Good Reliable companies. One being Brooklyn, SleepEZ, Sleeplikeabear, ect! I am leaning towards SleepEZ for a full California King Latex Mattress,..... but am in no hurry , as a Good Latex or Talalay Mattress Topper might be all we need!!!

I understand Talalay is like Angel Food Cake, so a Medium firm might be best for the 3" Toppper .....,.,or if we choose a complete Mattress in 3 Layers, and Mix with the Firm on Bottom, of the Mattress! Firm bottom, Medium Firm in middle, and Medium on Top?

Although I think the Dunlop Latex might be a better choose with my bad back.

Also I understand ILD rating is very important too!
We bought our Older Latex Topper in Soft, and the Middle is still ok I think it has stiffed from age, it has always been covered. And we Vacuum our Bed, and turn the Bed and the older Topper often.


Ok I have ask you enough things. I trust you and your opinions.
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Does anyone have suggestions on measuring sag in latex toppers or a mattress? 12 Sep 2015 22:18 #8

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Hi Bunny1999,

The list of the better online topper and mattress component suppliers I'm aware of is linked in my reply to you here .

I understand Talalay is like Angel Food Cake, so a Medium firm might be best for the 3" Toppper .....,.,or if we choose a complete Mattress in 3 Layers, and Mix with the Firm on Bottom, of the Mattress! Firm bottom, Medium Firm in middle, and Medium on Top?

Although I think the Dunlop Latex might be a better choose with my bad back.


There is more about the differences between Talalay and Dunlop in post #7 here . One isn't inherently any better than the other and the choice between them would be a preference choice rather than a "better/worse" choice. The best way to know which type or blend of latex you tend to prefer will be based on your own personal experience.

Also I understand ILD rating is very important too!


ILD is only one of several specs that makes one topper or material feel softer or firmer than another (see post #4 here and post #2 here ) and the ILD of different materials or different types and blends of latex also aren't always directly comparable to each other (see post #6 here ) so using ILD by itself can sometimes be misleading.

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Does anyone have suggestions on measuring sag in latex toppers or a mattress? 02 Oct 2015 04:58 #9

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I am so confused about what s Best in "3 Inch Latex Mattress Toppers we quit looking..
Even my Husband and Son are confused. Trying to replace a 8 year old Topper and wanting to find the very best of simply overwhelming.
After my last purchase and experience, I am leey. Can anyone provide a Excellent Trustworthy source. I am exchausted from looking.

Years ago we bought this one. Do they make them differant now? How do you know which ILD to choose without being to Soft or to hard.
Husband weight 165 , mine 155 right now, it is going down my Thyroid is off I quit smoking a year ago, cold too... it threw my TSH level off and I gained 20 pounds, lost 7 now , raised thyroid med, It is awful. Also throws the Adrenal glands off too! Be aware!!!

I bought a Noodles Pillow Regular, do not do it , far far to hard.

My Son needs a New 3" Topper too. So we need 2! California King and a Twin XL.

Thought about getting a New Latex Mattress, I cannot even pick a Topper much less trust getting a Mattress anymore without coils. I fear all Latex or Talalay break down and sinks eventually.
We are retired, but we are not looking for a piece that is worthless.
Phoenix I know you have tried to help.
I just want honesty, called a place on here they would not tell me whom made their Toppers. They are in Utah. Why is honesty so difficult anymore?
Thanks everyone.
It is nice to feel better for 6 months I was pretty ill, the last 2 were awful. Rasing my meds sure helped. Never smoke it messes your Thyroid up!
Bunny

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Does anyone have suggestions on measuring sag in latex toppers or a mattress? 02 Oct 2015 11:00 #10

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Hi Bunny1999,

I switched your post to your own topic so it wouldn't get mixed in with the questions from another member.

I just want honesty, called a place on here they would not tell me whom made their Toppers. They are in Utah. Why is honesty so difficult anymore?


While some manufacturers will tell you who makes their toppers ... there is really no reason for them to disclose their suppliers to customers as long as they provide you with accurate information about the type and blend of the latex that they are using. This isn't about honesty ... it's about whether they wish to disclose information that they consider to be proprietary to their customers. If for some reason you believe you need to know who makes their toppers rather than the materials that they use then there are certainly suppliers that will tell you if you ask them.

I am so confused about what s Best in "3 Inch Latex Mattress Toppers we quit looking..
Even my Husband and Son are confused. Trying to replace a 8 year old Topper and wanting to find the very best of simply overwhelming.
After my last purchase and experience, I am leey. Can anyone provide a Excellent Trustworthy source. I am exchausted from looking.


I'm not sure what I can add to my previous replies to the same question. I've already linked you to the list of the better online suppliers I'm aware of and linked you to the topper guidelines that I would suggest using as a guideline.

You are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress/topper combination and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion about which topper would be the best "match" for both you and the mattress you are using it on in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) based on specs (either yours or a mattress) or "theory at a distance" that can possibly be more accurate than your own personal testing or sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ). The specifics of the mattress under the topper can also make a significant difference in which topper will work best for any specific person since every layer and component in a mattress/topper combination will affect the feel and performance of every other layer and the "sleeping system" as a whole.

As I've mentioned in my previous replies ... while it's not possible to make specific suggestions because of all the many variables involved that are unique to each person and your own experience is the only way to know for certain whether any mattress/topper combination will be a good "match" for you in terms of PPP ... there is more information about choosing a topper in post #2 here and the topper guidelines it links to that can help you use your sleeping experience as a reference point and guideline to help you choose the type, thickness, and firmness for a topper that has the least possible risk and the best chance for success. It also includes a link to a list of some of the better online sources for toppers I'm aware of as well.

Once you have talked with the retailers or manufacturers you are considering then at some point you just need to make a "best judgement" choice about the the type, thickness and firmness for a topper that you believe would work best for you and hold your breath, grit your teeth, and pull the trigger. If there is a good exchange policy then you would also have good options afterwards just in case your choice doesn't work out as well as you hoped for.

Unfortunately nobody has a crystal ball that can predict exactly which specific topper you will sleep best on in combination with your mattress with any certainty. It just doesn't exist.

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