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Haynes Restonic Utopia Talalay Latex - anyone have any experience with this mattress? 30 Jul 2015 17:12 #1

Hi - just wondering if anyone has any information on or experience with one of my finalists, Restonic Utopia mattress, which just started being sold at Haynes Furniture. It is supposed to be 100% Talalay Latex other than the top layer that is wool and silk maybe (it had a fabric top layer in any case.) The price point (around 1500 for the medium firmness one) makes me want to seek out more information. I'm waiting on a rep from the distributor to call me and will follow up if I get more info. Thanks!!

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Restonic Utopia Destiny:
about 13" height
6" precompressed soy based poly foam core - 27 IFD, 1.8 lb density
2.15" Natural Vita Talalay - 24 IFD
2.15" Natural Vita Talalay - 15 IFD
1.5" High Density Super-soft foam
1" gel-infused quilting
.5" silk and wool
Thin layer of fire blocker

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Haynes Restonic Utopia Talalay Latex - anyone have any experience with this mattress? 30 Jul 2015 17:36 #2

Hi AT,

It is supposed to be 100% Talalay Latex other than the top layer that is wool and silk maybe (it had a fabric top layer in any case.) The price point (around 1500 for the medium firmness one) makes me want to seek out more information. I'm waiting on a rep from the distributor to call me and will follow up if I get more info. Thanks!!


I didn't see a Restonic Utopia mattress on their site but if you can find out the information listed here and post it on the forum I'd be happy to make some comments about the quality and durability of the materials inside it and the mattress as a whole.

You can also check the law tag on the mattress to confirm that the only foam it contains is latex (I would suspect that it's not "all latex".

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Haynes Restonic Utopia Talalay Latex - anyone have any experience with this mattress? 01 Aug 2015 10:42 #3

I tried this mattress yesterday, and found out some more information on it. It has 3" polyfoam at the base, then about 12" organic Talalay latex with horizontal holes for temperature control. It then has a quilted wool and silk top layer with fire retardant material woven in. The sales person, who was very knowledgeable, said that Restonic can offer Talalay at a lower price (around $1500 for a queen mattress) b/c they do not advertise, and use that money to keep prices low. This is the most comfortable bed I've ever been on. However, this makes me want to cry b/c I need a bed so badly, it got hot, especially in my lower back. I don't understand why, since I heard latex is cooling and it has the holes and mesh side panels which are supposed to keep it cool. I even put my hand on it after I'd been laying down and I could noticeably feel how much hotter it was where I'd been laying. Any thoughts on this, possible modifications? I'd have bought it otherwise, because their Talalay had a bouncy spring feel to it I really liked and it was just so incredibly comfortable otherwise.

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Restonic Utopia Destiny:
about 13" height
6" precompressed soy based poly foam core - 27 IFD, 1.8 lb density
2.15" Natural Vita Talalay - 24 IFD
2.15" Natural Vita Talalay - 15 IFD
1.5" High Density Super-soft foam
1" gel-infused quilting
.5" silk and wool
Thin layer of fire blocker

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Haynes Restonic Utopia Talalay Latex - anyone have any experience with this mattress? 01 Aug 2015 11:46 #4

Hi AT,

It has 3" polyfoam at the base, then about 12" organic Talalay latex with horizontal holes for temperature control. It then has a quilted wool and silk top layer with fire retardant material woven in.


I would want to know the specifics of every layer in the mattress including the thickness of every layer (listed from top to bottom) not just more the more general information they provided you. The thickness is important so that you can confirm that the thickness of all the layers adds up to the thickness of the mattress. Some of the information they provided was also not completely accurate. There is no such thing as "organic" Talalay (there is only blended Talalay and 100% natural Talalay) and all latex that is made in a mold has pincores (holes) in the latex which are part of the mold they are poured in. If the 3" polyfoam layer is about 1.5 lb density or better then it wouldn't be a weak link in the bottom of a mattress but many latex mattresses use thicker layers of polyfoam on top of the mattress as well and this could affect temperature regulation as well as the durability of the mattress.

There are also many manufacturers that don't spend as much on advertising as the major brands and none of the major brands have an all latex mattress anyway at the moment. Some of the smaller manufacturers do even less advertising than Restonic so their comment here is mostly about "marketing".

If the total height of your mattress is 15" then I would strongly suspect that there is less than 12" of latex in the mattress. The percentages of polyfoam and latex listed on the law tag may be a "clue" although it only shows the percentage of each material based on weight and doesn't list the thickness of the layers, the type or blend of the latex, or the order of the layers.

This is the most comfortable bed I've ever been on. However, this makes me want to cry b/c I need a bed so badly, it got hot, especially in my lower back. I don't understand why, since I heard latex is cooling and it has the holes and mesh side panels which are supposed to keep it cool. I even put my hand on it after I'd been laying down and I could noticeably feel how much hotter it was where I'd been laying. Any thoughts on this, possible modifications?


While it's not possible to quantify the sleeping temperature of a mattress relative to a particular person or to always identify exactly why they may sleep hot on a specific mattress because of all the variables involved ... there is more about tracking down the reasons for any temperature regulation issues in a mattress in post #2 here . The first step would be to confirm the specifics of the materials inside your mattress which would make it easier to make some comments about the possible reasons.

Wool quilting is normally a very temperature regulating material and wool quilting can also be used to pass the fire regulations as well without needing a separate fire barrier but if your mattress uses a separate fire barrier then it's likely that the amount of wool or silk in the quilting or the cover fabric is quite low so it may not be having much effect on temperature regulation.

I would be somewhat cautious here and make sure that you know the specifics of every layer in the mattress you are considering because I suspect that the information that you have been given may not be completely accurate.

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Haynes Restonic Utopia Talalay Latex - anyone have any experience with this mattress? 01 Aug 2015 12:46 #5

I may try calling Restonic, I'm still waiting for a possible call from their Rep. The salesman who as I said, was very knowledgeable and not dismissive of my inquiries the way some salesmen I've encountered have been, said there were 2 layers: a foundation of 3" polyfoam and natural (not organic, my bad) Talalay, with the wool, silk, and fire retardant quilting cover. He said the Talalay was as close to 100% as you can get without the other 1-3% of stuff that has to be added in as part of the manufacture process. The Talalay was directly below the quilting. He said there was 3" polyfoam and 12" latex, and the mattress is around 15" high, so it added up. It's possible he was directly or inadvertently lying, but that is what he said. I was looking for the tag and couldn't find it, but I don't know if I'll bother looking into it too much more since it was hot for whatever reason.

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Haynes Restonic Utopia Talalay Latex - anyone have any experience with this mattress? 01 Aug 2015 13:34 #6

Hi AT,

The salesman who as I said, was very knowledgeable and not dismissive of my inquiries the way some salesmen I've encountered have been, said there were 2 layers: a foundation of 3" polyfoam and natural (not organic, my bad) Talalay, with the wool, silk, and fire retardant quilting cover. He said the Talalay was as close to 100% as you can get without the other 1-3% of stuff that has to be added in as part of the manufacture process.


Your salesman is probably genuinely trying to provide you with the information that he believes is correct but I suspect that the source of his information may be incorrect. "Natural" Talalay generally refers to blended Talalay which would be a blend of about 30% natural rubber and 70% synthetic rubber (although there would also be other substances used to manufacture the latex such as curing agents, foaming agents, and possibly fillers as well ... see the first part of post #2 here ). There is more about the different types and blends of latex in post #6 here .

There are certainly some people that can sleep warmer if they are sleeping directly on thicker layers of softer foam materials (even latex in some cases) without a more temperature regulating quilted cover on top of it (such as wool). There are some comments in post #6 here about the pros and cons of thinner more stretchy covers vs wool quilted covers.

I really would make sure you know the specifics of every layer in your mattress and I would keep in mind that latex cores are only poured in 6" thicknesses or less so there would be several foam layers in your mattress (either latex or polyfoam).

The law tag would be on one end of the mattress and your salesperson can show you where it is (it's not legal to sell a mattress without it). Many stores put the end of a mattress that has the law tag against a wall so that their customers can't read it.

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Haynes Restonic Utopia Talalay Latex - anyone have any experience with this mattress? 01 Aug 2015 13:40 #7

I only sleep hot occasionally. It's not generally a problem, and none of the other mattresses I've been trying have had this issue. But it's still something I watch for, because I don't want it to become a problem with a new mattress. Are you saying if it was an inferior blend of latex, then it's more likely to sleep hot? I also thought it was strange that the holes are supposed to lay horizontal. Is that unusual?

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Haynes Restonic Utopia Talalay Latex - anyone have any experience with this mattress? 01 Aug 2015 13:58 #8

Hi AT,

Are you saying if it was an inferior blend of latex, then it's more likely to sleep hot? I also thought it was strange that the holes are supposed to lay horizontal. Is that unusual?


No ... it would have nothing to do with "inferior" latex since all the latex you are likely to encounter would be a high quality and durable material. As you can read in the post I linked ... if anything blended Talalay would be more durable than 100% natural Talalay latex in lower ILD ranges.

If your latex was poured in a mold then the holes would be perpendicular to the layer although they may not go all the way through the layer (see post #2 here ).

There are some types of continuous pour Dunlop latex that are poured in thinner layers that don't have any pincores in the latex (they are poured in thin enough layers that they don't need pincores for curing the latex) or where the pincores are "punched" into the latex after they are poured.

I would need to know the specifics of all the layers and components in your mattress to be able to speculate more about why it seemed to be sleeping warmer for you.

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Haynes Restonic Utopia Talalay Latex - anyone have any experience with this mattress? 02 Aug 2015 12:17 #9

We went to Haynes yesterday and laid on their Utopia Nirvana Plush mattress. We also were not certain of the complete make up the mattress so I just called them back to ask. The salesman said it is completely talalay - the core and the other layers. I asked about the silk and wool topper and was told the fabric is a blend of silk and wool and that talalay is inside of it to make it feel so soft. We really loved the mattress but just like everyone else on here ... we are hesitant to make the leap and purchase it. I will be interested in knowing what the manufacturer tells you. Thanks!

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Haynes Restonic Utopia Talalay Latex - anyone have any experience with this mattress? 02 Aug 2015 12:43 #10

Hi byrum4863,

The salesman said it is completely talalay - the core and the other layers.


AT has already confirmed that the bottom layer is 3" of polyfoam (although they didn't provide the density) but I also wouldn't be very confident that the information you are being provided is accurate even if you exclude the bottom layer of polyfoam.

As I mentioned to AT I would check the law tag to find out the percentages of polyfoam (by weight) which would at least provide a "clue" to the amount of polyfoam and latex in the mattress but I would want to know the specifics of every layer in the mattress because I don't think it's very likely that it contains 12" of Talalay latex (either blended or 100% natural).

Phoenix
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