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Getting rid of the Sleep Number and Going for a Latex mattress 12 May 2015 13:43 #1

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So I think we will return the Sleep Number and go for a full latex bed.'

I've narrowed it down to SleepEz and Flexus. They both seem to be similarly priced and have similar products, but Flexus has the best warranty?

I also looked at Foam Sweet Foam and they are higher priced, dont offer split sides for his/her but have a great warranty similar to Flexus. But for the larger guys like myself, they recommend at least 12 -15 inches of latex.

Is that really necessary? I still have a 3" soft 20ILD topper. SleepEZ is willing to send me out a 12" cover if I purchase the 9" bed. Then I could add my 3" soft topper. But they dont recommend that at my weight. 230lb and a side sleeper. They think a 9' with med, firm, firm would be a good fit for me.

So again is a 12" bed really necessary? If I chose to go that route, do I just go med, firm, firm, firm? Or swap out a firm for xfirm? At what point are you just being silly for adding more layers of support?

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Getting rid of the Sleep Number and Going for a Latex mattress 12 May 2015 13:59 #2

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Hi HoosierLife,

I've narrowed it down to SleepEz and Flexus. They both seem to be similarly priced and have similar products, but Flexus has the best warranty?

I also looked at Foam Sweet Foam and they are higher priced, dont offer split sides for his/her but have a great warranty similar to Flexus. But for the larger guys like myself, they recommend at least 12 -15 inches of latex.

Is that really necessary? I still have a 3" soft 20ILD topper. SleepEZ is willing to send me out a 12" cover if I purchase the 9" bed. Then I could add my 3" soft topper. But they dont recommend that at my weight. 230lb and a side sleeper. They think a 9' with med, firm, firm would be a good fit for me.

So again is a 12" bed really necessary? If I chose to go that route, do I just go med, firm, firm, firm? Or swap out a firm for xfirm? At what point are you just being silly for adding more layers of support?


Mattress warranties only cover defects in the materials and they don't cover the gradual (or more rapid in the case of lower quality comfort layers) loss of comfort and support that comes from foam softening that is the main reason that most people will need to replace their mattress. In other words warranties have little to do with the durability or useful life of a mattress or when you may need to replace it and longer warranties are more about marketing than anything else. If there is an actual defect in the material it will usually show up early in the life of the mattress but knowing the quality and durability of the materials in your mattress are a much more reliable way to assess the durability and useful life of a mattress than the length of a warranty. There is more about mattress warranties in post #174 here .

Since all the mattresses you are considering are component latex mattresses that would all be very durable and would have a similar lifespan ... the length of the warranty wouldn't normally be a significant factor in making a choice between them.

At your weight you wouldn't "need" more than 9" of latex but some people may still prefer it. There is more about the pros and cons of thicker mattresses in post #14 here .

You are certainly looking at some great options and once you are down to finalists that are all choices between "good and good" and none of them have any obvious weak links or lower quality materials in their design and if there are no clear winners between them then you are in the fortunate position that any of them would likely be a suitable choice and post #2 here can help you make a final choice based on your material preferences (the type and blend of latex layers you would prefer), your conversations with each of them, their prices, the return/exchange options they have, any additional extras that are part of each purchase, and on "informed best judgement" based on all the other objective, subjective, and intangible parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

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Getting rid of the Sleep Number and Going for a Latex mattress 12 May 2015 14:15 #3

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Ok, I read the links. I'm no less confused :).

Bottom line, I don't "need" a bed at all. I could sleep on the floor. But will there be a pressure point, comfort, durability or longevity benefit to a 12" over a 9"?

Is it just marketing after a certain point or is ther an actual noticeable benefit?

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Getting rid of the Sleep Number and Going for a Latex mattress 12 May 2015 14:44 #4

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Well I guess all this may be a moot point. The wife wants the bed to be higher lol. I measured where it's at now and the bed is 26" off the ground. Our old bed was higher, so I think that's why she wants it higher.

I was going to buy this frame/base www.amazon.com/dp/B00M16A2JU/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=1YWP3IQBK1YCX&coliid=I1ABRFI8UE4LPN&psc=1

It's 14" off the ground, so with a 13" mattress it will be 1" higher.

So then the question comes down to what should the bottom layer be? Firm or Xfirm?

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Getting rid of the Sleep Number and Going for a Latex mattress 12 May 2015 14:48 #5

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Hi HoosierLife,

Bottom line, I don't "need" a bed at all. I could sleep on the floor. But will there be a pressure point, comfort, durability or longevity benefit to a 12" over a 9"?


There wouldn't be any meaningful benefit in terms of durability but there would be some differences between how they feel and perform. Unfortunately you are the only one who can feel what you feel on a mattress and when you are considering two mattresses that have different designs or thicknesses then the only way to reliable way answer these types of questions would be based on your own actual testing or personal experience in side by side testing. Some people would notice a significant difference and others may only notice very little difference or no difference at all.

Is it just marketing after a certain point or is ther an actual noticeable benefit?


Each person can have a very different experience on the same mattress so for one person there may not be enough of a difference to justify any additional cost while someone else may have a very different experience on the same mattress and the additional cost would be worth it. In some cases it can also mean that they would be noticeably different from each other but that neither one would be "better" than the other and both would be equally suitable in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences).

I can help describe the properties that are affected with greater thickness (which is in the post I linked) but there is no way for anyone else to predict how this will "translate" into the personal experience of any particular person or how much difference any particular person would notice between them.

This is all part of the process and uncertainty of buying a mattress that you can't try in person before you purchase it which is why the conversations you have with each manufacturer and the options you have after a purchase to make changes to the comfort and support of a mattress either by rearranging or exchanging layers can be a more important part of the "value" of an online purchase.

There is more about the different ways to choose a mattress (either locally or online) that is the most suitable "match" for your specific needs and preferences and how to identify and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for that are involved in each of them in post #2 here .

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Getting rid of the Sleep Number and Going for a Latex mattress 12 May 2015 15:00 #6

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Hi HoosierLife,

Well I guess all this may be a moot point. The wife wants the bed to be higher lol. I measured where it's at now and the bed is 26" off the ground. Our old bed was higher, so I think that's why she wants it higher.


I guess that's one way to choose between a thicker and a thinner mattress :)

I was going to buy this frame/base www.amazon.com/dp/B00M16A2JU/ref=wl_it_d...I1ABRFI8UE4LPN&psc=1

It's 14" off the ground, so with a 13" mattress it will be 1" higher.


I would be cautious about choosing this with an all latex mattress and I would confirm that the distance between the slats was suitable (3" or less) and that the frame and slats were strong enough for the mattress and the people that are sleeping on it and that there was no flex in the slats. It certainly wouldn't be my first choice for an all latex mattress. I would be particularly concerned with the gap between the slats in the middle. There is more about the different types of support systems that are most suitable for different types of mattresses (including latex) in the foundation post here .

So then the question comes down to what should the bottom layer be? Firm or Xfirm?


When you can't test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help "talk you through" the specifics of their mattresses and the options they have available that may be the best "match" for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked that they are familiar with, and the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about "matching" their specific mattress designs to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else.

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Getting rid of the Sleep Number and Going for a Latex mattress 12 May 2015 15:20 #7

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Hi HoosierLife,

Well I guess all this may be a moot point. The wife wants the bed to be higher lol. I measured where it's at now and the bed is 26" off the ground. Our old bed was higher, so I think that's why she wants it higher.


I guess that's one way to choose between a thicker and a thinner mattress :)

I was going to buy this frame/base www.amazon.com/dp/B00M16A2JU/ref=wl_it_d...I1ABRFI8UE4LPN&psc=1

It's 14" off the ground, so with a 13" mattress it will be 1" higher.


I would be cautious about choosing this with an all latex mattress and I would confirm that the distance between the slats was suitable (3" or less) and that the frame and slats were strong enough for the mattress and the people that are sleeping on it and that there was no flex in the slats. It certainly wouldn't be my first choice for an all latex mattress. I would be particularly concerned with the gap between the slats in the middle. There is more about the different types of support systems that are most suitable for different types of mattresses (including latex) in the foundation post here .

So then the question comes down to what should the bottom layer be? Firm or Xfirm?


When you can't test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help "talk you through" the specifics of their mattresses and the options they have available that may be the best "match" for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked that they are familiar with, and the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about "matching" their specific mattress designs to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else.

Phoenix


Well then maybe I should just keep the base from Sleep Number. It seems like it would work well and I already have it. Do you think their base would work?

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Getting rid of the Sleep Number and Going for a Latex mattress 12 May 2015 16:27 #8

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Hi HoosierLife,

Well then maybe I should just keep the base from Sleep Number. It seems like it would work well and I already have it. Do you think their base would work?


While I haven't seen or used it in person ... I certainly think it would be strong enough and rigid enough to be suitable for a latex mattress yes. It also has airholes for ventilation which means that it would be less risky than a similar type of foundation that used a solid surface (see post #10 here ).

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Getting rid of the Sleep Number and Going for a Latex mattress 12 May 2015 16:47 #9

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Have your read the top review in the Amazon product? The reviewer seems to think its a good foundation for his latex bed. The slats are 3" apart. I don't see why it would be a good option?

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Getting rid of the Sleep Number and Going for a Latex mattress 12 May 2015 17:24 #10

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Hi HoosierLife,

Have your read the top review in the Amazon product?


Yes I have.

The reviewer seems to think its a good foundation for his latex bed. The slats are 3" apart. I don't see why it would be a good option?


The reviewer doesn't say how much knowledge or experience they have in the industry or with how certain foundations will affect a latex mattress in the long term or whether they have any specific knowledge about mattresses and foundations at all (other than purchasing it) so I have no idea how credible or reliable their opinion is.

The description says that the foundation has 14 slats and if they are 1x3 they would have finished dimensions of 3/4" x 2.5". This means that the combined width of all the slats would be 14 x 2.5" = 35". In an 80" length this would mean that there is about 45" unsupported surface and 15 gaps so if you divide 45 / 15 you would have 3" gaps which is what they mentioned. This is the maximum width that I would consider for a latex mattress.

I would still be concerned with the larger gap in the center of the foundation. I would also want to confirm the thickness of the slats and the type of wood they use to make sure they are rigid and don't flex because the description talks about the "flexibility" of the slats and I would want to make sure that they have minimal to no flex under a latex mattress.

When I see "cheap" products I am also generally concerned about the quality of the materials and I would also have some concern with the strength of the attachments on each side that hold the slats. They are probably plastic and subject to breaking. If you read the lower rated reviews you will also see some indication that the quality isn't as good as described.

Overall when I am looking at a foundation for a high quality latex mattress I would tend to err on the side of "an abundance of caution" and lower risk and I personally wouldn't choose this as a foundation based on what I know about it and what I've read.

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