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Found the Perfect Mattress - Too much Money 21 Apr 2015 10:57 #1

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I finally found the mattress I love, however my wife won't spend the $2,600 to get it. It's Kingsdown "Sheridan" which I believe is in their Passions line.
We bought a Costco Sterns and Foster, but hate it. We got the one that is the softest on their scale. But its too firm for us. Also, it rolls us off the side. Feel like we are going to roll out of the bed. Can't really make it up to the middle of the bed, feel like we are fighting it. We are in the return process now, thankful for the Costco return policy.
What I love about the Kingsdown is it has the plush feel we are looking for (I think it has a 3 or 4" topper) and even all the way through middle to side.
Any suggestions what I could look at that would give me the same comfort as the Kingsdown w/o the heafty pricetag?

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Found the Perfect Mattress - Too much Money 21 Apr 2015 12:07 #2

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Hi ejcrossi,

Any suggestions what I could look at that would give me the same comfort as the Kingsdown w/o the heafty pricetag?


There is more about the different ways that one mattress can "match" another one in post #9 here but unless two mattresses have almost exactly the same design with the same type materials, the same layer thicknesses and firmness, and a functionally similar cover there really isn't any way to know how closely two mattresses will approximate each other for any particular person outside of your own personal testing or experience.

"Feel" is also very subjective and I would also suggest avoiding using using a specific mattress as your "target" or reference point because it may not be the best possible match for you in the first place compared to other mattresses that you haven't tried and you could end up excluding many other mattresses that may be different but could be a better choice in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences). Human memory for softness, firmness, and "feel" is also very unreliable and short term and a mattress that may feel similar to what you "remember" another mattress feels like may end up being very different than how they would compare if you were to test them side by side in real time. Instead of using a specific mattress as a reference point I would rate every mattress you consider against a common set of criteria (rather than against another mattress) using the testing guidelines in the tutorial post and based on which one is the best "match" for you in terms of PPP and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

The first place I would start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that you will need to make the best possible choice ... and know how and why to avoid the worst ones. There is also more about the three most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here which can help you make more meaningful comparisons between mattresses in terms of comfort and PPP, quality and durability, and "value"..

I would be very cautious about buying a Kingsdown or any mattress where you aren't able to confirm the quality of the materials inside it to make sure there aren't any lower quality materials or "weak links" in the design (see this article and the guidelines here ) and Kingsdown isn't generally transparent about the quality of the materials inside them (see this article ).

While the most important part of "value" of a mattress purchase is comfort and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) but outside of PPP ... a mattress is only as good as its construction and the quality and durability of the materials inside it and the durability and useful lifetime of a mattress is also a key part of the value of a mattress. No matter how it may feel in a showroom ... there would be little value in buying a mattress where the use of lower quality and less durable materials leads to foam softening and the loss of comfort and support much too quickly after a purchase and foam softening and the loss of comfort and support isn't considered to be a defect and isn't covered by a mattress warranty (see post #174 here ).

If you let me know your city or zip code I'd be happy to let you know about any of the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in your area.

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Found the Perfect Mattress - Too much Money 21 Apr 2015 13:10 #3

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I am in Phoenix Arizona, 85018. I totally understand about 1 vs another, just hoping to find a good spot to look or type to look for. I have gone to several places, and have not really liked anything.
I am not an all memory foam fan "temper". I tried a few different latex, latex mix, and latex/innerspring from Brooklyn Bedding, and I am not sure about them.

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Found the Perfect Mattress - Too much Money 21 Apr 2015 13:47 #4

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Hi ejcrossl,

I am in Phoenix Arizona, 85018


The better options or possibilities I'm aware of in the Phoenix area (subject to the guidelines here ) are listed in post #4 here . You are very fortunate to live in the area because 4 of the manufacturing members of the site are based there and you have the chance to test their mattresses in person while most of the forum members can only order them online.

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Found the Perfect Mattress - Too much Money 22 Apr 2015 14:23 #5

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I had a chance to check the Dream Foam and the Sleep EZ showrooms. I felt like the Dream Foam had a better feel for my liking and a better "finish" to the quilt layers. I am concerned though about the one I liked for price and comfort which is the Ultimate Dream Eurotop. This model has an 8" 1.8 lb base foam. The top is a 3" latex layer.
From your articles, 1.8 lbs of base foam is right on the line of what to accept. Should I be concerned. The next level up has 2.17 lb base foam and 2 layers of latex, but it jumps up $700 and puts us outside of our price range.
We both are 5'10" and weigh roughly 200 lbs.
Is there a major benefit of the increased spend to go w/ an all latex mattress vs one w/ foam base? Going with Sleep EZ would be over a 100% increase in price.

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Found the Perfect Mattress - Too much Money 22 Apr 2015 14:46 #6

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Hi ejcrossl,

I am concerned though about the one I liked for price and comfort which is the Ultimate Dream Eurotop. This model has an 8" 1.8 lb base foam. The top is a 3" latex layer.
From your articles, 1.8 lbs of base foam is right on the line of what to accept. Should I be concerned.


The minimum criteria that I suggest in the guidelines here would be more durable than the "standard" that is used in most of mainstream industry and would be the minimum densities and guidelines where I wouldn't (not would) be concerned with durability issues or premature foam softening and breakdown and there would be no obvious "weak links" in the mattress relative to your weight.

Is there a major benefit of the increased spend to go w/ an all latex mattress vs one w/ foam base? Going with Sleep EZ would be over a 100% increase in price.


There is more about some of the differences between an all latex mattress and a latex/polyfoam hybrid in post #2 here . In the case of the two mattresses you are comparing the two main differences are that one is all latex while the other uses a polyfoam support core and one uses a more costly wool quilted cover while the Dreamfoam cover is quilted with a softer polyfoam.

Only you can decide whether the tradeoff between less costly materials and the feel and performance of each mattress relative to the price of each of them is "worth it" to you but there is more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here that can help you make more meaningful comparisons between them based on PPP, the quality and durability of the materials, and all the other objective, subjective, and intangible parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including price of course and the return/exchange policy and options you have available to customize the mattress after a purchase that are available to you).

Both of the mattresses you are considering would certainly be a great quality/value choice relative to their price range.

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Found the Perfect Mattress - Too much Money 23 Apr 2015 10:04 #7

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Any experience with The Mattress Factory, or any feedback on them from members? I plan to visit them tomorrow due to great prices on their website. They seem to meet the standards of quality components you discussed.
They are on your list, but not a member. Just curious since their prices seem to be quite a bit lower than the rest.

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Found the Perfect Mattress - Too much Money 23 Apr 2015 13:44 #8

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Hi ejcrossl,

Any experience with The Mattress Factory, or any feedback on them from members?


I don't have any personal experience with them but I would be very cautious with their lowest budget mattresses. Low prices mean very little unless they are low prices for high quality materials and there are no weak links in the mattress. The price of a mattress is only one part of its "value" and "value is always more important than price. It's easy to make "cheap" mattresses if you use lower quality materials that will soften or break down very quickly or don't have enough padding to be comfortable to sleep on in the first place.

They would certainly be worth including in your research of course but I would make sure that you find out all the information listed here about any of their mattress that you are considering so you can make sure they don't include too much in the way of lower quality materials and that they don't have a "weak link" in their design.

Without knowing the type and quality of the materials in a mattress it's impossible to make meaningful comparisons with other mattresses or know whether their prices would be "good value" or "poor value" regardless of their price.

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Found the Perfect Mattress - Too much Money 24 Apr 2015 17:18 #9

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I had a chance to visit both Arizona Mattress and Mattress Factory. It was a real pleasure to get a chance to talk to Ken the owner of Arizona Mattress. His passion for cutting the BS out of the mattress industry is apparent.

I have some concerns over Mattress Factory. The woman I worked with was not very knowledgeable about all the details I learned to ask here.
I really liked the Premier Latex Encased mattress. It is a pocket coil innerspring w/ a foam encasement. Its a eurotop encasement with a 3" latex layer in the top.
She mentioned the manufacturer of the pocket coils as one I recognized from the forum, but I can't find it.
I am concerned over the thickness of the quilt layer, she said its about 2.5". I worried this would be a weak link.
She was unable to tell me the density of the foam
The foundation had its slats 7 1/4" apart which doesn't seem like the right support for a foam base.

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Found the Perfect Mattress - Too much Money 24 Apr 2015 17:41 #10

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Hi ejcrossi,

Thanks for taking the time to share your comments and feedback ... I appreciate it.

I agree with you about Ken's "passion" and I have had many long and interesting conversations with him :)

I am concerned over the thickness of the quilt layer, she said its about 2.5". I worried this would be a weak link.


If the quilt layer is 2.5" I would certainly want to know the type and density of the quilting material because once there is 2" or more of lower quality/density or unknown material in the upper layers of a mattress (including the quilt layer) then it could certainly be a weak link in the mattress and I would avoid any mattress where you aren't able to find out the information you need to make an informed choice.

The foundation had its slats 7 1/4" apart which doesn't seem like the right support for a foam base.


I would agree with this as well and I would use a stronger foundation with a more evenly supportive surface.

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