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I give up, just can't decide on my next mattress. I've been through a few.. 05 Mar 2015 12:30 #1

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I think I am more picky than the average person, so that makes a mattress search even harder for me. I have had about 3-4 mattresses in the last 10 years. I want to see if I can find any receipts to get you more accurate information on the exact beds I have owned.

I am 160 lb, 5'9, not neccessarily a big guy. wife is closer to 185, 5'5, dont tell her i posted here..

Price point is between 2000-3000 shipped to my door with old mattress pickup.

Our favorite was a NxG foam one, I think it was Stearns and Foster? but maybe not. It lasted about 6-7 years before the foam topped formed valleys from our body weight. This was about 2-3 years ago when the foam topper finally got valleys and we got rid of it.

Then we had a beautyrest middle line which i will have to come back to. I cant remember that one much. i will try and find out the mattress type we had.

Then we tried a tempur pedic cloud supreme, neither of us liked it. too sinky for us, not enough support. Also ran much hotter than all our other ones.

I traded that Tempur-pedic supreme in on sleep trains 100 day swap guarantee and ended up with a "top line" Beautyrest Black Plush Firm i think. We still feel this one is too sinky on the top as far as the pillowtop goes, yet too firm on the mattress under it. Hard to explain. My shoulders get sore after an hour when sleeping on my side on it. Every hour all night long I swap sides.

So I had a sleep number bed ordered last week and chickened out at the last minute and cancelled the order. I really want something I can adjust to find my perfect settings, but the reviews of the bad middle and weak foam borders scared me away from the sleep number for now.

What am I looking for in a bed? A comfortable side sleeper for me, but my wife is mostly a back sleeper. We both have sore backs too. I really thought a sleep number was the final perfect answer during their 50% off sale, but then i read about how unsupportive the edge foam is and how it can bulge out.

Anyone have any thoughts even to just get me started in the right directtion?

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I give up, just can't decide on my next mattress. I've been through a few.. 05 Mar 2015 13:23 #2

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Hi placcy,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! ... and it sounds like you could use a complete "reset" in how you are looking for a mattress this time around :)

The first place I would start is the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice this time around ... and perhaps even more importantly avoid the worst ones including all the manufacturers you mentioned in your post (see the guidelines here ).

Two of the more important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to buy a suitable mattress that is the best "match" for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for that are involved in each of them and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability, durability, and value.

What am I looking for in a bed? A comfortable side sleeper for me, but my wife is mostly a back sleeper. We both have sore backs too. I really thought a sleep number was the final perfect answer during their 50% off sale, but then i read about how unsupportive the edge foam is and how it can bulge out.


You can also read more about airbeds in this article and I would agree that for most people they wouldn't be the best choice.

When you get to step 3 (of 5) in the tutorial if you let me know your city or zip code I'd also be happy to let you know about any of the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in your area as well.

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I give up, just can't decide on my next mattress. I've been through a few.. 05 Mar 2015 13:28 #3

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thanks, i have read the tutorial a couple times today.

my back only hurts when i wake up. never during the day or before bed. I will get my exact bed names tonight to add to this thread so i can better learn what direction i need to go in. i would love a bed which is changable, so if i dont like it i can swap out for a different firmness later on.

i found a couple local places near my zip 94404, such as palo alto and burlingame:

www.thenaturalmattressstore.com/index.html Factory direct manufacturer in Los Gatos, Palo Alto, San Rafael, Walnut Creek, San Francisco. Makes a range of high quality latex and latex over innerspring hybrids that can be customized. Worth a visit.

The above store has a lot of poor *recent* reviews on Yelp. The good reviews are all from 2012. I guess you can find poor reviews any where you look these days..
www.yelp.com/biz/the-natural-mattress-store-palo-alto?sort_by=date_desc

naturallyorganicsleep.com/index.html Burlingame. Local manufacturer that makes various "choose your own" layered latex mattresses with various different types of zip covers. Good quality and value. They also carry PalmPring, Pure Latex Bliss, REM Sleep Solutions, Restonic, Natura, Magniflex, Easy Rest, and Savvy Rest mattresses
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sleephavenbedding.com/mattress.html Redwood City, San Mateo, CA. Carries Natura, Easy Rest, Englander, Diamond, OMI (Organicpedic) as well as some mainstream brands I would ignore. I would also make some careful value comparisons here with their more premium latex mattresses.

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I give up, just can't decide on my next mattress. I've been through a few.. 05 Mar 2015 13:54 #4

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Hi placcy,

i found a couple local places near my zip 94404, such as palo alto and burlingame:


You may have seen these already but the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in the larger Bay area region (subject to the "value" guidelines I linked in my last reply) are listed in post #2 here and for the area in and around San Jose are listed in post #2 here . These would include all the better options I'm aware of that are in reasonable driving distance of San Mateo.

my back only hurts when i wake up. never during the day or before bed. I will get my exact bed names tonight to add to this thread so i can better learn what direction i need to go in. i would love a bed which is changable, so if i dont like it i can swap out for a different firmness later on.


The most common cause of a sore lower back in the morning is choosing a mattress that is too soft.

There are several component mattress choices in the lists I linked that would give you good options after a purchase to fine tune the support and/or comfort of a mattress by either rearranging or exchanging layers or components and these can certainly be a good idea ... especially for those that are closer to the "princess and the pea" than the "I can sleep on anything" end of the scale and who are more likely to need some fine tuning after a purchase.

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I give up, just can't decide on my next mattress. I've been through a few.. 05 Mar 2015 13:57 #5

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The most common cause of a sore lower back in the morning is choosing a mattress that is too soft.


dang.. cuz my Beautyrest black is 2nd from the most firm they make.. if that's too soft i dont know what to do.. its already too firm for my shoulders, i can't go "ultra firm". I will be studying all this for the next few days, and reading a lot of this site. Thanks for your tips.

i think its a luxury firm pillow top. with the only higher level being "extra firm" in that particular line.

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I give up, just can't decide on my next mattress. I've been through a few.. 05 Mar 2015 14:31 #6

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Hi placcy,

dang.. cuz my Beautyrest black is 2nd from the most firm they make.. if that's too soft i dont know what to do.. its already too firm for my shoulders, i can't go "ultra firm". I will be studying all this for the next few days, and reading a lot of this site. Thanks for your tips.


I would keep in mind that a mattress that is too soft is the most common cause but certainly not the only cause for alignment issues that can cause back pain (see the diagram here). A mattress that is too soft can allow the hips/pelvis to sink in too far and put the spine out of alignment but a mattress that is too firm can also cause lower back issues because you won't sink in enough and it won't support the recessed parts of the body very well (the waist if you sleep on your side or the small of the back if you sleep on your back) or it can cause twisting away from pressure points which can also cause rotational alignment issues which can lead to back pain.
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The key is to find a mattress that is a good "match" for all your specific needs and preferences so you know you are buying a mattress that is the most suitable for you in terms of PPP, uses good quality and durable materials (you can't "feel" the quality of the materials in a mattress because lower quality materials can feel the same as higher quality materials in a showroom ... they just don't last as long), and compares well to your other finalists based on all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

The knowledge and experience and transparency of the retailer/manufacturer you buy from and whether they put your legitimate best interests above their profit can be one of the most important parts of a successful mattress purchase so you won't have to go through the long learning curve to learn what they would already know and be happy to share.

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I give up, just can't decide on my next mattress. I've been through a few.. 05 Mar 2015 17:39 #7

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from the Simmons NXG back in about 2005, (about $3000?)

to a Recharge 800 Luxury Firm ($900 after tax)

to a Tempur Pedic Cloud Supreme Breeze ($4068 after tax)

to now a Beautyrest Black Plush Firm Pillowtop ($2375 after tax)

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I give up, just can't decide on my next mattress. I've been through a few.. 05 Mar 2015 17:47 #8

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Hi placcy,

All of these except the Tempurpedic use lower quality materials in the comfort layers that would tend to soften, break down, and compress prematurely and that would be a weak link in the mattress.

The Tempurpedic at least uses higher quality materials but it's also much more costly than other similar memory foam mattresses that use similar quality materials.

The good news is that if you follow the guidelines in the tutorial then you will be able to avoid choosing these types of major brand mattresses that are much more likely to need replacing much too quickly relative to the price you pay for them.

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I give up, just can't decide on my next mattress. I've been through a few.. 05 Mar 2015 18:17 #9

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the most confusing thing of all is the terms and how they string them all together in random ways..


luxury
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I give up, just can't decide on my next mattress. I've been through a few.. 05 Mar 2015 18:31 #10

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Hi placcy,

There is no "standard" definition or consensus of opinion for firmness ratings and different manufacturers can rate their mattresses very differently than others. Different people can also have very different perceptions of firmness and softness compared to others as well and a mattress that is firm for one person may feel like "medium" for someone else or even "soft" for someone else depending on their body type, sleeping style, physiology, what they are used to, and their individual sensitivity and perceptions. This is all relative to each person's perceptions and with good testing your body will tell you much more about how firm or soft a mattress feels to you (regardless of how firm or soft it may feel for someone else) than any firmness ratings.

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