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Finally pulled the trigger on a D I Y latex mattress 22 Jan 2015 13:45 #1

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I have been read reading this blog for several months and learning as much as I can aobut latex mattresses. I wanted to build a DIY latex mattress to save money and the spirit of adventure. After local mattress testing I had my heart set on a Dunlop latex mattress, but I obtained several Dunlop samples from various vendors and found I had a slight sensitivity to something that was the Dunlop. It did not matter the brand of Dunlop, I still had the same reaction. So I decided to build a talalay latex mattress as I had no problems sleeping on talalay pillows for the past few years.

I purchased my talalay toppers from Valerie at Matress247 on ebay - in M/M/F densities. She offers a blended Radium talalay topper at an incredible price. I also had some coupons from ebay so I got an additional discount. I also purchased her wood foundation as well. For the mattress encasement, I purchased an organic cotton/wool cover from SleepEZ. I also have a dust mite allergy and a doctors note recommending I sleep on a latex mattress. So I'm going to submit the receipts to my FSA plan to see if they will cover the cost of the mattress with pre tax dollars.

Overall I would highly recommend doing business with Valerie at mattress 247. She was extremely helpful and knowledgeable and her prices were great. I also want to give a big thanks to Sean at SleepEZ, and Mario and Jacob from Brooklyn Bedding as they were all very helpful and shared great information as well. A big thanks to Phoenix for this wonderful website and his generosity his time and information.

I have not assembled the mattress yet as we are in the process of moving its better to keep the mattress boxed up until we move. But I should have the mattress assembled in the next month. It will keep everyone updated on the mattress once we have slept on it for some time.

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Finally pulled the trigger on a D I Y latex mattress 22 Jan 2015 15:21 #2

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Hi ps99115,

Thanks for your comments and feedback about Val and Mattresses 24/7 and the other manufacturers you mentioned as well ... I appreciate it.

You certainly made some good quality/value component purchases and I'm looking forward to your feedback when you've had the chance to sleep on them.

I'll also be very interested in what your FSA says about claiming the cost of your mattress as well.

Most importantly ... congratulations on your new mattress :)

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Finally pulled the trigger on a D I Y latex mattress 30 Jul 2015 20:21 #3

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Hi Phoenix,

I wanted to give a quick update on our latex mattress since we've been sleeping on it for the past six months.

Talalay latex toppers from Mattess247 were good quality, no rips or tears ... etc. Two of the toppers had the same print on the side (likely from the same batch) and one had a different print. The wood foundation was easy to assemble and the organic cotton cover matched the organic cotton/wool cover from sleep EZ.(which was a nice surprise given they were from two different retailers).

We first started off sleeping on the med/med/firm configuration which felt much softer than our old innerspring mattress.. We tried this configuration for about 1 month, it started to feel better (i.e. no more low back pain), but then around month 2 the LBP came back again likely because the foam softened a bit and the mattress cover stretched out slightly.

We then moved the firm layer up one level (med/firm/med) which definitely firmed things up and feels better. We have been sleeping on this configuration for about 6-8 weeks now At times I want a slightly different feel so I am interested in fine tuning the mattress more.

Is there any sense in placing a firm later on the bottom of the mattress (med/firm/firm)? I understand that the bottom layer of a mattress is just a filler and won't change the feel of the I was thinking of adding a firm or xfirm Dunop layer in the second position, would this change things much? I have a chemical sensitivity to Dunlop (not Talalay) so I am hoping I can tolerate a Dunlop topper as long as I am not sleeping directly on it.

The cotton/wool mattress cover from sleepEZ has developed some bunching (right under my lower back) which is some what annoying, but I contacted sleep EZ and they said this was normal of their covers. The even offered for me to mail the cover back and they would tighten up the cover at no charge. Very generous of them! Perhaps another thought is trying a different mattress encasement,, maybe a 4 way stretch cover for different feel. When I did local mattress testing I did not mind the feel of the PLB stretch covers, I just liked the cotton/wool quilted covers more.

Another thought is if I keep my current configuration (med/firm/med) Talalay, I essentially have a two sided reversible mattress and can flip the layers around down the road for added longevity.

Trying to get my FSA account to cover the mattress has been a nightmare. They are not accepting the receipts from ebay and want my PCP to fill out more paperwork. I just gave up.

Please let me know your thoughts and thanks in advance!

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Finally pulled the trigger on a D I Y latex mattress 30 Jul 2015 22:27 #4

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Hi ps99115,

Thanks for the update ... I appreciate it :)

Is there any sense in placing a firm later on the bottom of the mattress (med/firm/firm)? I understand that the bottom layer of a mattress is just a filler and won't change the feel of the I was thinking of adding a firm or xfirm Dunop layer in the second position, would this change things much? I have a chemical sensitivity to Dunlop (not Talalay) so I am hoping I can tolerate a Dunlop topper as long as I am not sleeping directly on it.


I think that calling the bottom layer "filler" is greatly overstating things because if you removed it completely it would make a significant difference in the feel and response of the mattress and it would be much less adaptable to your body shape and it would firm up much more quickly as you sank into it more deeply.

Replacing the bottom layer with a firm layer would make less difference than changing the medium layer in the middle to a firm but how much of a difference it would make for a particular person would depend on their sensitivity to smaller changes. Some people would certainly notice a difference and some people may not notice much difference at all.

Adding a firmer Dunlop layer in between your two medium Talalay layers would probably also make a noticeable difference but I'm not so sure I would put a Dunlop layer in between two Talalay layers because of the differences in how they each feel and respond to pressure and movement and having a more resilient layer on each side of a less resilient or lively Dunlop layer may feel somewhat "odd". While I don't have any personal experience sleeping with this combination of layering ... and like any combination of layers it may be something that some people would like ... if I was using Dunlop I would tend to use it underneath Talalay layers rather than in between them. I think it would be fair to say that you would probably notice a difference though.

The cotton/wool mattress cover from sleepEZ has developed some bunching (right under my lower back) which is some what annoying, but I contacted sleep EZ and they said this was normal of their covers. The even offered for me to mail the cover back and they would tighten up the cover at no charge. Very generous of them! Perhaps another thought is trying a different mattress encasement,, maybe a 4 way stretch cover for different feel. When I did local mattress testing I did not mind the feel of the PLB stretch covers, I just liked the cotton/wool quilted covers more.


This would really be a preference issue but there is more about the pros and cons of a wool quilted cover vs a thinner stretch knit cover in post #6 here . The PLB mattresses have a very thick fire barrier which would also affect the feel of the latex underneath it so it may not be the best example of the "feel" of a stretch knit cover with a thinner fire barrier.

Another thought is if I keep my current configuration (med/firm/med) Talalay, I essentially have a two sided reversible mattress and can flip the layers around down the road for added longevity.


Exchanging the two medium layers from time to time could certainly extend their useful life to some degree but I would personally prioritize comfort and PPP so I would only do this if your current configuration was the best possible layering combination for you.

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Finally pulled the trigger on a D I Y latex mattress 31 Jul 2015 08:20 #5

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Hi Phoenix,

Thank you so much for the quick reply!

I almost wonder if the medium layer on the bottom is possibly causing some problems for me. It seems like the top comfort layer is firm enough to provide support, but I get a feeling of shifting and "tilting"while I'm in the mattress. Will adding a firm base layer create a more stable base to sleep on? What if I were to go with a firm Dunlop layer on the very bottom of the mattress and keep the two top Talalay layers of medium and firm?

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Finally pulled the trigger on a D I Y latex mattress 31 Jul 2015 10:48 #6

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Hi ps9915,

Will adding a firm base layer create a more stable base to sleep on? What if I were to go with a firm Dunlop layer on the very bottom of the mattress and keep the two top Talalay layers of medium and firm?


In "theory" it could make some difference yes but the only way to know whether it would make a difference for you or how much of a difference it would make will be based on your own personal experience.

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Finally pulled the trigger on a D I Y latex mattress 04 Aug 2015 16:57 #7

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One last quick question, is there a difference in getting a firm or extra firm topper for the bottom level if I were to keep it in the third position? I know if I would move to the second level this would make a major difference. Thanks!

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Finally pulled the trigger on a D I Y latex mattress 04 Aug 2015 17:30 #8

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Hi ps9915,

One last quick question, is there a difference in getting a firm or extra firm topper for the bottom level if I were to keep it in the third position? I know if I would move to the second level this would make a major difference. Thanks!


My reply would be the same as the last one. While relatively small differences in the firmness of a bottom layer of a mattress will have less effect than the same differences in layers that are closer to the sleeping surface ... some people would feel a a noticeable difference and some wouldn't notice much if any difference depending on the actual firmness of the layers, their body type, their sleeping style, and their individual sensitivity to smaller differences in the design of a mattress. The only way to know whether you would feel a difference or how much of a difference you would feel is based on your own personal testing and experience.

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Finally pulled the trigger on a D I Y latex mattress 15 Sep 2015 07:53 #9

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Hi All,

Just wanted to give a quick update: I purchased an extra firm (44-46 ild) 6 inch extra long twin core by latex international from mattresses.net. I had one side of the core trimmed so that the topper would measure 30 x 80". Once I received the core, I brought it to a local foam factory and had the core split into two 3 inch toppers. We placed the new extra firm toppers on the bottom of our mattress resulting in a configuration of medium\firm\X firm.

We've been sleeping on the new mattress now for about 4 to 5 days, but so far so good. The mattress density feels great and adding the extra firm toppers to the bottom of the mattress definitely made a difference in feel for us. It was actually less expensive for us to buy a 6 inch core have it cut then to buy a solid 3 inch queen topper. Our mattress does have layers of radium and latex international mixed but overall we like the feel.

Mattresses.net was an absolute pleasure to deal with. Their prices on the latex Core were excellent and they were generous with the mattress underground discount. My only regret is that I did not buy my entire mattress and bedding components from them.

Will keep you guys posted if anything changes, but as of now we are happy latex mattress owners

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Finally pulled the trigger on a D I Y latex mattress 15 Sep 2015 10:46 #10

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Hi ps9915,

We've been sleeping on the new mattress now for about 4 to 5 days, but so far so good. The mattress density feels great and adding the extra firm toppers to the bottom of the mattress definitely made a difference in feel for us. It was actually less expensive for us to buy a 6 inch core have it cut then to buy a solid 3 inch queen topper. Our mattress does have layers of radium and latex international mixed but overall we like the feel.

Mattresses.net was an absolute pleasure to deal with. Their prices on the latex Core were excellent and they were generous with the mattress underground discount. My only regret is that I did not buy my entire mattress and bedding components from them.


Thanks for the update ... and it's great to hear that things seem to be working out well for you :).

I also agree with you that Arizona Premium are very knowledgeable and helpful and have some great value available as well.

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