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Hopelessly Confused! 01 Feb 2015 21:56 #11

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Thanks. Sorry about the link. That was what I meant.

I think I have a plan!

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Hopelessly Confused! 08 Feb 2015 20:07 #12

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Phoenix,

I bought a mattress! And,it wasn't any one of the one's that I've mentioned so far.

I went back to Natural Mattress Store to try the Clarity xsoft mattress (3" extra soft Talalay over 12" medium springs) one more time, then make a final decision between that and the Savvy Rest Serenity Mattress (soft T, soft D and medium dunlop on one side, soft D, medium D and medium D on the other). The downside of this particular store is they have only one person working it and the two other times I was there, it was too busy for me to get any help. But, this time, I got a lot of help and it worked!

I ended up having a Goldilocks moment (or 20). I found something that actually felt consistently better than all the other mattresses I've tried, and it stayed feeling good for 20-30 minutes. I could even be comfortable sleeping on either side without aggravating my foot. It is their Enlightenment Hybrid Plush which has (top to bottom):

3" "Supersoft Talalay" (xx soft)
2" medium Talalay
7" Medium Springs.

The topper is attached to the mattress but in its own zippered layer. My problem all along was that "thigh to head", I wanted something soft, but my nerve-damaged foot wasn't liking the feel of those beds. For some reason this works. Not sure why, but something about the really soft comfort layer works for me.

I ended up buying their foundation which cost almost double the SleepEz, but I went with it anyway, and their matress pad made of melton wool. I found a crescent-shaped side sleeper pillow that I quite liked, but I'm waiting on that. This was a lot of money for me.

Delivery is estimated for 2/19. I'll let you know what I think. They allow returns (for a 15% re-stocking fee + charge for pickup) and free layer exchanges for 90-days. A layer exchange occurred while I was there and looked pretty painless. This was more money than I planned to spend, more than the Serenity would have cost, but it did feel appreciably better.

This process ended up being harder than buying a car! But, for me, this was a big purchase money-wise and a really important purchase sleep-wise. I wanted to like the mattress, the company and the person I bought it from. I think I might have found all 3.

Thank you so much for this site, and all of the guidance and advice you dispense to me and others.!

Jennifer

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Hopelessly Confused! 09 Feb 2015 02:20 #13

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Hi TanJent,

I bought a mattress! And,it wasn't any one of the one's that I've mentioned so far.


That's great news!

I ended up having a Goldilocks moment (or 20). I found something that actually felt consistently better than all the other mattresses I've tried, and it stayed feeling good for 20-30 minutes. I could even be comfortable sleeping on either side without aggravating my foot. It is their Enlightenment Hybrid Plush which has (top to bottom):

3" "Supersoft Talalay" (xx soft)
2" medium Talalay
7" Medium Springs.

The topper is attached to the mattress but in its own zippered layer. My problem all along was that "thigh to head", I wanted something soft, but my nerve-damaged foot wasn't liking the feel of those beds. For some reason this works. Not sure why, but something about the really soft comfort layer works for me.

I ended up buying their foundation which cost almost double the SleepEz, but I went with it anyway, and their matress pad made of melton wool. I found a crescent-shaped side sleeper pillow that I quite liked, but I'm waiting on that. This was a lot of money for me.


Your mattress certainly uses high quality materials and there are no weak links in the design and if the mattress is a good match for you in terms of PPP then it really doesn't matter "why" it works for you ... it only matters that it does.

Congratulations on your new mattress :)

I'm looking forward to your comments and feedback when you receive it and have had the chance to sleep on it for a bit.

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Hopelessly Confused! 17 Feb 2015 18:30 #14

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Phoenix,

I have had my mattress for 5 days. So far, I love it!
I have trouble leaving it :)

This weekend, while testing out wool and latex pillows for between my legs, I realized how much my old mattress had influenced my mattress testing. The nerves and muscles on my right leg and foot must have been in a hyper-irritated state because mattresses that bothered my foot and leg before, were fine now.

I also realized that I could have gotten a mattress from ESW (European Sleep Works) after all. They repeatedly had asked me if I wanted to try a Talalay topper on the Alpine bed. I always said no. Not sure why, because that was the solution that worked for me on a bed that was pretty similar.

While pillow shopping, I had a really strange experience at Savvy Rest in Berkeley. (not with Dominic, another person whose name I don't remember). They have apparently noticed that you alert people to better "values" at some of the member stores that do online sales. This guy claimed that the product at places like SleepEz were inferior and lied or didn't know that layer exchanges were possible. I let him know that SleepEz even allowed customers to return mattresses (Savvy Rest does not), but that I had still strongly considered buying the Serenity from Savvy Rest to give support to a local business (albeit, part of a small national chain).

Then he went off on how foolish I was to buy a mattress that had innersprings since they were easily breakable and low quality. Made me glad that I didn't purchase my mattress from Savvy Rest.

I still might buy their body pillow, but now I'll give SleepEz and others a closer look. :)

Again, thanks for all of your guidance. I'll report back again in a couple of weeks.

Jennifer

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Hopelessly Confused! 17 Feb 2015 18:53 #15

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Hi TanJent,

Thanks for the update ... and it's great to hear that you and your new mattress are getting along so well :)

While pillow shopping, I had a really strange experience at Savvy Rest in Berkeley. (not with Dominic, another person whose name I don't remember). They have apparently noticed that you alert people to better "values" at some of the member stores that do online sales. This guy claimed that the product at places like SleepEz were inferior and lied or didn't know that layer exchanges were possible. I let him know that SleepEz even allowed customers to return mattresses (Savvy Rest does not), but that I had still strongly considered buying the Serenity from Savvy Rest to give support to a local business (albeit, part of a small national chain).

Then he went off on how foolish I was to buy a mattress that had innersprings since they were easily breakable and low quality. Made me glad that I didn't purchase my mattress from Savvy Rest.


It's unfortunate to hear about these types of comments that rely on putting down or providing misinformation about a competitor rather than building on their own strengths. Savvy Rest even sells an innerspring mattress of their own ( see here ).

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Hopelessly Confused! 18 Feb 2015 12:39 #16

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Yes. He told a couple that came into bed shop that the bed with innersprings was only suitable for guests and kids and not to consider it. I think that comment may have been for my benefit.

I hope I just caught this guy on a bad day! I really liked Savvy Rest until this one bad experience.

I may have to take back my comment about loving my mattress. I'm having foot/leg problems again.
I realize that there may be no good solution to my situation.
At least the rest of me is happier with this new mattress.

Jennifer

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Hopelessly Confused! 18 Feb 2015 13:17 #17

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Hi TanJent,

I may have to take back my comment about loving my mattress. I'm having foot/leg problems again.
I realize that there may be no good solution to my situation.
At least the rest of me is happier with this new mattress.


I would give things a little time because "symptoms" can come and go and this would be especially true in the first few weeks while your mattress will be breaking in and you will be going through an adjustment period that goes with sleeping on any new mattress that is different from what you are used to.

If that's the only issue after the first few weeks and you are sleeping well other than that then you would still have the chance to do some "fine tuning" if it turns out to be necessary.

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Hopelessly Confused! 07 Mar 2015 15:26 #18

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Phoenix,

I've had my mattress for 3 weeks now, the new pillow for about 2 weeks.
This has been a real adventure.

The new mattress and pillows make a big difference. I can get a pretty good night's sleep on the new mattress with the new, thicker pillow between my legs, but I still have some bad nights because of the nerve damage in my foot. This may be the best I can do, or I may have more tinkering to do.

Unfortunately, I cannot watch TV while on my back with my knees bent, something I could do on my old mattress. I tested out this position while on the mattress in the store and it did not bother my foot. This fact helped me to choose this mattress. On many of the other mattresses I tried out, I didn't like the way my foot fell when sinking into the comfort layer when I was in this position.

I've been reading on this forum about the differences in feel between a completely independent topper and a layer of the same material and thickness added to the mattress. My 3" layer is a topper that is in its own wrapped cover that is zipped to a lower cover which contains the rest of the layers. In the store, they "simulated" this mattress with a topper on top of an equivalent mattress. I'm wondering if that is why things feel different at home.

So, I think its time for a trip back to the store to see if the "attached" topper is the source of this problem. I'm also considering a layer exchange for a "soft" rather then "supersoft" comfort layer. A firmer, but still soft comfort layer may make a difference.

As always, thanks for doing this forum. The information you provide and the discussion you host has helped me to navigate how to improve my sleep with this nerve problem. I don't know what I would have done without it.

Jennifer

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Hopelessly Confused! 07 Mar 2015 18:43 #19

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Hi TanJent,

Thanks for taking the time to share another update ... I appreciate it :).

It sounds like you are most of the way there but that you still have a little way to go to reach your "ideal" and it may take a little bit of trial and error to get there.

I've been reading on this forum about the differences in feel between a completely independent topper and a layer of the same material and thickness added to the mattress. My 3" layer is a topper that is in its own wrapped cover that is zipped to a lower cover which contains the rest of the layers. In the store, they "simulated" this mattress with a topper on top of an equivalent mattress. I'm wondering if that is why things feel different at home.


Yes ... a separate topper can act a little bit more independently and can be a little softer and more contouring compared to having the same layer inside a cover. You've probably read these already but there is more about this in posts #3 and #4 here and in this topic and it could be the reason for the difference.

So, I think its time for a trip back to the store to see if the "attached" topper is the source of this problem. I'm also considering a layer exchange for a "soft" rather then "supersoft" comfort layer. A firmer, but still soft comfort layer may make a difference.


Now that you are familiar with the "feel" of your mattress I think that a trip to the store to try some different options would be a good idea so you can get a better sense of how they compare to what you are sleeping on now.

It may also be worth trying your mattress both with and without the wool mattress pad to see if this makes any difference as well. Sometimes a thicker wool topper can also make a difference for people who are very sensitive and I know that there are many people with fibromyalgia that do very well with the more "relaxed" feel of a wool topper compared to the more resilient feel of being more directly on the latex so this may also be worth testing when you take a trip to the store.

I know it can be frustrating to try and find the best combination when you are facing challenging circumstances but if you find your ideal combination then the time and effort it takes will certainly be worth it.

I'm looking forward to any updates you have the chance to share after another trip to the store.

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Hopelessly Confused! 12 Mar 2015 15:42 #20

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Phoenix,

I went back to Natural Mattress Store last weekend and discovered that there had been a misunderstanding in the bed that I wanted. Natural Mattress Store gave me a free delivery to correct the problem, so we'll see if that explains some of the difference in feeling that I had.

On the day I made my decision, the person who was helping me (Sharon, awesome!), had me try out one of their latex/innserspring beds with the supersoft topper added to approximate a Hybrid Englightenment Plush. Unbeknownst to me, the bed I tried had Firm Springs and the default Hybrid Enlightenment has medium springs. So, instead of having the bottom support layer be Firm springs, I got medium.

I'm lying on the bed now and I really like it so far. I'll let you know in 2 more weeks how I feel.

While I was in the store, it was really clear to me why a separate topper would feel different from an additional layer. The topper curved up on the sides (was more huggy). I actually think, in my case, that the attached layer may work out better, but something else to be watching.

Thanks also for pointing that my mattress pad could make a difference. When the delivery people left, I lay on the mattress without the pad and it felt a little better. What would be alternative mattress pad options to consider?

Jennifer

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