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I know my pillow choice, here's my stats - will you help me get it "just right"? 26 Apr 2014 21:36 #1

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Hi,

New here. I've tried to read up a little so maybe you can help me.

I narrowed my pillow choice down to the Z Malouf zoned talalay latex pillow (not shredded). Now I need to pick high/low loft and firm/plush and standard/queen.

I have a firm mattress - too firm. After much research I just bought a 3" talalay latex mattress topper. Very happy with it so far. I tried two Z Malouf latex pillows in a mattress store but I don't know if they were zoned. One was more firm. Really liked them but couldn't tell which would be better. The guy kept trying to get me to buy both. One for back sleeping and one for side. Too much money and I don't want to be moving pillows around all night. I need a middle ground. I could go back to the store and try to find out if they were zoned or not.

I am female, age 50, 165 lbs. 5' 6 1/2" tall. Weight is in the front - bust and gut. I side and back sleep. Not stomach. I start out more on my back but move to my shoulder and usually fall asleep on my shoulder and wake up with pain. Don't know if I'd sleep more on my back if I had the right pillow. If I hadn't put on weight in the front of my body I'd probably still tend to stomach sleep like when I was younger. However it hurts my neck too much to stomach sleep and keep my head turned at a sharp angle.

I looked online how to measure the neck for side sleeping and from my neck to edge of shoulder/arm bone is 5 3/4 - 6 inches. I am delicate/small boned.

The Malouf website says the zoned pillow high loft is 6-7 inches and the low loft is 4-5 inches. I read elsewhere that if in doubt, buy the smaller size. But others say the low loft is too flat. I don't know what to do?

I hate memory foam. I couldn't roll over or get off the mattress without a bit of effort. I love the talalay latex. The support and "push back" feels really good to me. I had untreated whiplash to my neck as a teenager and now have no natural curve to my neck. It's fused straight. So there is a lot of strain on my neck and shoulders. I am always trying to find a pillow that conforms and supports the neck area. I had a basic Tempurpedic pillow with the small roll at the bottom and it didn't fit right. Seemed too low, not enough neck support for side sleeping and too firm in general.

I had a water filled pillow with down on the top but I am always trying to push it into shape to fill in the neck area to give my neck support. I am currently back to a down pillow that I can push into shape to try and fit my neck. It's not enough support and changes shape. None of them are quite right.

I am having more fibromyalgia pain in my back so too firm of a mattress is very hard on me. So I'm thinking the plush pillow would be better. I cannot decide between high loft and low loft. I also don't know if I should get a standard or queen pillow. My pillows don't seem big (length wise) to me. I assume they have been standard. I have a queen bed and it's just me so the space is all mine. How big a difference is there between a standard and queen pillow?

Please let me know if there is any further information I can give that would help narrow down what works best for me.

Thank you

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I know my pillow choice, here's my stats - will you help me get it "just right"? 26 Apr 2014 21:51 #2

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Hi seejansleep,

Like mattresses ... there are some "needs" involved in choosing a pillow (to keep your head and neck in good alignment in all your sleeping positions) but beyond that they are even more of a personal preference choice than a mattress and each person may have very different pillow preferences.

The pillow thread here though and the other sources of information and posts it links to have some good suggestions and feedback from other members here that may help you find your "perfect pillow" (if such a thing exists) :).

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I know my pillow choice, here's my stats - will you help me get it "just right"? 27 Apr 2014 12:42 #3

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Hi,

I read quite a bit of that thread before I posted on these forums. I hoped you would answer but I guess am hoping for a little more assistance. :) I noticed you had the high loft version of that pillow.

I included all my measurements such as my neck to shoulder ratio and the heights of the low and high loft pillows in the hope that you could give me a recommendation of what makes sense for me, with my sizing. Is there a formula using those measurements? What makes the most sense for me, loft wise?

I'll be buying online so I really need to do my homework. I wish I could just go into a store and have the choices there.

Thank you.

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I know my pillow choice, here's my stats - will you help me get it "just right"? 27 Apr 2014 15:06 #4

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Hi seejanesleep,

Is there a formula using those measurements? What makes the most sense for me, loft wise?


Unfortunately there isn't a formula you can use because there are so many variables including how each person sleeps, their body type and weight distribution, and how much their mattress and pillow compresses when they sleep on it so you would need to combine the general guidelines for different sleeping positions with your own knowledge and history about your sleeping experience along with "best judgement".

If you like the feel and resilience of latex ... it may also be worth considering a shredded latex pillow that allows you to adjust the amount of fill so that you can customize it to your preferences. They can also be "scrunched" to some degree which can help to accommodate different sleeping positions. There are several of these in the pillow thread.

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I know my pillow choice, here's my stats - will you help me get it "just right"? 28 Apr 2014 21:29 #5

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I called Malouf and in addition to talking to them they recommended I also talk to Linenspa who markets their products - which I did.

I also found out the two Malouf pillows I tried in the store were firm/high loft and plush/low loft. So I am going with an in between: a plush/high loft. Apparently this is the most popular of the zoned pillows they sell. I'm also getting a shredded latex one. I can try them both out and decide on one. (Unless I love them both.)

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I know my pillow choice, here's my stats - will you help me get it "just right"? 28 Apr 2014 21:59 #6

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Hi seejansleep,

So I am going with an in between: a plush/high loft.


That's the same reasoning I used when I bought mine (along with a preference for a softer pillow) which is also a plush/high loft and I was happy with it ... although I currently sleep on a shredded latex pillow. At some point I will probably change pillows again because for me ... it's one of those "never ending" areas of experimentation. Sometimes my preference is just based on my mood :)

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I know my pillow choice, here's my stats - will you help me get it "just right"? 29 Apr 2014 13:13 #7

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I have 2 Malouf zoned low loft firm pillows. Primarily back sleeper with medium-firm bed currently. I have DDD in my neck so I need fairly firm neck support. Loved the Malouf pillows for the first 6 months then found they just did not provide sufficient support for my neck and I was waking with more and more neck pain. Switched to a fiberfill cervical pillow (arcforlife) which has been working fairly well for me the past year but like Phoenix said still on the search for the perfect pillow.

If you buy the pillows from amazon they have a fairly generous return policy. You could order both the firm and plush pillows and decide which you like best.

Phoenix, just out of curiosity, what type (brand) of shredded latex pillow do you have? I have tried shredded latex pillows in the past and found them too hard.

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I know my pillow choice, here's my stats - will you help me get it "just right"? 29 Apr 2014 16:48 #8

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Hi ps99115,

Phoenix, just out of curiosity, what type (brand) of shredded latex pillow do you have?


Mine is the Lanoodles from Cozy Pure although it isn't the one with the adjustable fill which wasn't available at the time.

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I know my pillow choice, here's my stats - will you help me get it "just right"? 30 Apr 2014 11:32 #9

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Hi Phoenix,

Very tempted to pull the trigger on the lanoodle contour latex pillow, seems like it would be great for me. I have tried the Z shredded latex pillow in the past and the Natura dreamate pillow (granulated latex) and found both of them to be too hard/firm which caused headaches and neck pain in the morning. In your experience, do the lanoodles provide more gentle support as compared to shredded or granulated latex?

Feel free to move to pillow thread if needed as well :)

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I know my pillow choice, here's my stats - will you help me get it "just right"? 30 Apr 2014 11:59 #10

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Hi ps99115,

In your experience, do the lanoodles provide more gentle support as compared to shredded or granulated latex?


That's difficult to say because there is such a wide range of shredded latex pillows and it would depend on the type of latex they use and the amount of the fill as well as the size of the latex pieces and how they pack down. In my experience ... the lanoodles feels very soft to me (which I suppose you could "translate" into "gentle) and this may be because of how the lanoodles are shaped and they may not "pack down" as much as other types of foam pieces. Like with other latex materials ... they are also resilient which helps them to also be more "supportive".

Of course all of this is also very subjective and each person may have their own description or experience with the same pillow.

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