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Woman on the verge of latex bed overwhelm! 03 Mar 2014 18:16 #11

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An update on the quest for a pain-free sleeping surface!

We tried two nights on the bed without the casings on it and by the second morning my back pain was ratcheted up to bent over for hours levels. So it didn't seem like it was just the casing.
Over the weekend we were near a Verlo store and tried out their beds. The Verlo salesman, Foster, in West Chester, PA, is a phenomenally helpful person. We came away with a few things 1) after testing some of their beds, I can tell now that I do need a firmer surface and my spouse needs a level slightly cushier than what I need, 2) Foster suggested we try rotating our bed 90 degrees and it should be a bit firmer and 3) we can also try just flipping our bed over and see how it is sleeping on the firmer base.

Since testing out beds indicated we needed a much firmer surface than what we had with the 19 ILD talalay as a top layer, we decided to try the flipping over the mattress and put our wool topper on top of the 36 ILD base to ease pressure points. One night on this configuration and what relief! It was the first time in a long time I didn't wake with back pain. And my hip pain was reduced - still there but reduced. Spouse also had less back pain but his hip still bugs him. We'll try it again tonight and see if it's still good tomorrow.

But a big problem is that the mattress now dips in the middle, to the point that we both had to cling to the sides to keep from rolling to the middle. My guess is that having the soft layers on the bottom are responsible for this. So we're going to try and take off the 2 soft layers so we can use the firmer core. The layers are glued over the entire thing, and slicing away with a sharp knife so far hasn't been very smooth. We'll try a utility knife/box cutter. We'll use a soft layer to top off my hubby's side, and get a firm topper for my side and even out the whole thing with the wool topper. We're hoping this is will be the solution!

If not and we give up on our latex, we know we can go to Verlo and get a great spring bed. It was very revealing, about the lack of quality and knowledge in chain stores, and the expertise in local manufacturers. I also know I can get good quality foam layers from Verlo as well. It really was eye opening and heart warming to visit them. I see what you mean about the wisdom in visiting a lcoal manufacturer, Phoenix. Thanks for your help - we'll try these modifications and see what works.

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Woman on the verge of latex bed overwhelm! 03 Mar 2014 18:43 #12

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If the bed is dipping, check the foundation or frame. Make sure that it is ok.

Also, if you take off the 19ild layer, you may want to try sleeping on the 24ild layer. It may be a better match for comfort and support. Sleeping on the 36ild with the 19 gone will make the mattress firmer than sleeping on the 36 over all three layers.

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Woman on the verge of latex bed overwhelm! 03 Mar 2014 20:29 #13

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Hi feeblewitz,

Thanks for the update and based on your experience it seems to be clear that your 4" comfort layers are likely to be the main issue.

Having 4" of soft latex on the bottom could also be responsible for the dipping if the foundation isn't responsible.

I know it can be difficult to remove a glued layer (and it takes a sharp blade or box cutter and a lit of patience and tolerance for the "mistakes") but I think it would be worth the effort and once you've removed the top layer then I think it would be well worth trying a single comfort layer as I mentioned in my last reply and jankdc also suggested (there's always power in numbers :)). It would likely be a better option that was closer to what you need and with higher odds of success than sleeping directly on 36 ILD latex.

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Woman on the verge of latex bed overwhelm! 04 Mar 2014 07:50 #14

HI,what foundation is the mattress on,how much does it flex ?

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Woman on the verge of latex bed overwhelm! 04 Mar 2014 16:53 #15

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Will try taking off the top layer and se how that works for us and go from there. Right now the mattress is on box springs from another bed - we tried them in desperation to firm up the bed. We don't see any sag. And when it was on our platform bed, we also didn't see any sagging. The frame and slats are strong and has a middle bar and center support legs . I'd like to try it without the boxsprings.

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Woman on the verge of latex bed overwhelm! 04 Mar 2014 17:16 #16

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Hi feeblewitz,

Will try taking off the top layer and se how that works for us and go from there. Right now the mattress is on box springs from another bed - we tried them in desperation to firm up the bed. We don't see any sag. And when it was on our platform bed, we also didn't see any sagging. The frame and slats are strong and has a middle bar and center support legs . I'd like to try it without the boxsprings.


If your box spring is an actual box spring that has springs inside it or has any flex (vs a foundation that has no flex) it will allow you to sink in more deeply rather than firm up the mattress. The firmest support system would be the floor or a support system that has no flex at all under load.

Good luck with removing the top layer and I'm looking forward to finding out how it goes :)

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