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FOX Mattress 29 Dec 2013 05:35 #1

Hi Phoenix,
Finally made the drive over to Fox Mattress from Central Florida last week to try out their latex. They have 2 mattresses on display both composed of 100% natural tallaly manufactured in Connecticut with about an inch of quilting on each side. The one mattress is just an extra firm 6" core of 40 ild (8 pcf density). The other, which we really liked, adds a 2"-24 ild comfort layer to the top (very comfortable). I was impressed with their materials/manufacturing and knowledge of latex (especially Mic). Anyway, I would like to get your input on a couple of things if you don't mind.

1. I am 6'-2"/177 lbs. My wife is 5'-1"/129 lbs. Both side sleepers. I know it boils down to personal comfort/support and preference, but in general does this combination of 40 ild/24ild sound about right for our body types?

2. Also, Mic told me he could ad a 2" layer to the bottom to make it a s sided/flippable mattress. but in his opinion was not worth the extra money because of the resiliency and durability of the latex. Periodic rotation (head to toe) would be sufficient for this mattress. On a side note. the mattress is very heavy and would be a chore to flip. What do you think?

Thanks for you input.

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FOX Mattress 29 Dec 2013 09:54 #2

Hi Halifax,

1. I am 6'-2"/177 lbs. My wife is 5'-1"/129 lbs. Both side sleepers. I know it boils down to personal comfort/support and preference, but in general does this combination of 40 ild/24ild sound about right for our body types?


It would be "in the range" but your own testing will provide much more accurate information than any theory. I would try "bouncing" very slightly on the mattress with your hips and shoulders when you test it to see if you can feel a more "sudden" transition under the comfort layer or if the pressure relief feels more gradual because the difference in firmness between the top 2" layer and the much firmer support layer is fairly large.

A single 6" layer of 40 ILD would be very firm for most side sleepers.

2. Also, Mic told me he could ad a 2" layer to the bottom to make it a s sided/flippable mattress. but in his opinion was not worth the extra money because of the resiliency and durability of the latex. Periodic rotation (head to toe) would be sufficient for this mattress. On a side note. the mattress is very heavy and would be a chore to flip. What do you think?


This would be a preference issue and would be up to you. He is right that latex is already a very long lasting material and doesn't really need a two sided mattress but even with latex, having a two sided mattress will add to it's useful lifetime. I would also tend to be cautious in choosing a mattress that I haven't tried because the extra layer could change how it feels and performs slightly in terms of PPP even though it's on the bottom so it would be a little more "risky" if you haven't tested the two sided version specifically. I would also keep in mind that even if the mattress lasts longer ... by the time you need a new mattress your own needs and preferences may change once you go past about 10 years so even if the mattress is still in great shape ... you may need something a little different.

Overall it would depend on the extra price involved, how you feel about flipping it regularly (without which the benefit of a two sided mattress would be lost), and on your confidence that the two sided version would still be a good match for you in terms of PPP.

Phoenix
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FOX Mattress 31 Dec 2013 04:08 #3

Thanks for the feedback Phoenix. BTW, Fox has a comfort guarantee (forget it's either 90 or 120 days) with which they will actually modify/change out layers or provide different bed. They appear to be a top notch company.

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FOX Mattress 31 Dec 2013 13:07 #4

Hi Halifax,

Fox has a comfort guarantee (forget it's either 90 or 120 days) with which they will actually modify/change out layers or provide different bed


This is one of the advantages of dealing with a local manufacturer because they can make fine tuning adjustments to a mattress instead of having to exchange the whole mattress for another one.

They appear to be a top notch company.


I completely agree with you here. Rick and his staff are very knowledgeable and helpful and great to deal with.

Phoenix
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FOX Mattress 01 Jan 2014 08:02 #5

Hi Phoenix and Happy New Year.
Appreciate your insight.
I had all but settled on the 8" mattress from FOX (6" 40 ild core/2" 24 ild comfort). I am planning to try your suggestion of a "bouncing" test to investigate the possible sudden transition between the comfort and support layers.

So...yesterday I decided to stop by OMF to try their latex once more as a final point of comparison only to find out they have discontinued their previous latex mattress and replaced them with "Serenity Latex" which consist of a very nice stretchy cover with 1" 19 ild and 2" 24 ild on both sides of a 4 1/2" thick 30 ild poly foam. I spent about 15 minutes on this mattress and although it seemed a bit soft it was very comfortable...no instant hip pain that I typically experience when trying out mattresses. It actually was more comfortable "in store" than the FOX mattress.

Anyway, I am now considering both the FOX Latex and the OMF Serenity, :woohoo:
Here are my concerns:

1. If I decide on the FOX Mattress will the large variation between the layers come back to haunt me. 40 ild is really firm.

2. Are you familiar with the new OMF latex? It's very comfortable, but is a 30 id support layer be too soft over time? As a side question are the ilds of poly foam equivalent to ilds of latex . In other words does the 30 poly ild = 30 ild latex?

As always, your opinion is appreciated.

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FOX Mattress 01 Jan 2014 14:22 #6

Hi Halifax,

1. If I decide on the FOX Mattress will the large variation between the layers come back to haunt me. 40 ild is really firm.


While 40 ILD is certainly firm ... the firmness rating is taken at 25% compression and if the layer is compressed less than this is would be softer so it would really depend on how your body type interacts with the mattress as a whole. With the "bouncing" test and their ability to make adjustments to the mattress its unlikely that it will come back to "haunt" you if you test it carefully and with a mattress that is a little bit too firm you can always add a topper to add some extra pressure relief so with Fox's ability to make adjustments to the mattress and/or add a topper you still would have good options but there is little you can do to "fix" a mattress that is too soft without removing and replacing layers instead of adding to them.

2. Are you familiar with the new OMF latex? It's very comfortable, but is a 30 id support layer be too soft over time? As a side question are the ilds of poly foam equivalent to ilds of latex . In other words does the 30 poly ild = 30 ild latex?


I don't have any personal experience with it (OMF doesn't have any stores near me) but again ... only personal testing and experience can really know if a mattress is suitable and there is no "formula" that can know this based on specs. The firmness of polyfoam is also measured differently than latex so 30 ILD would be firmer than the same ILD with latex (see post #6 here ). You can see my thoughts about the new Serenity in post #3 here . You can also see my thoughts about a latex/polyfoam hybrid vs an all latex mattress in post #2 here .

ILD is not a "quality" spec though so when you are testing a mattress locally it's not an important factor to take into account because your body will tell you more about whether a mattress is a suitable "match" for you than any "comfort specs" such as ILD. Neither of the mattresses you are considering have any obvious weak links in their construction so any final choice between them would be a choice between "good and good".

Phoenix
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FOX Mattress 04 Feb 2014 15:34 #7

Hi Phoenix,
I went back to Fox last week and tested out the mattress again. Like it a lot and about to pull the trigger on it, but wanted to get your input on one other thing.

To recap:
6"-40 ILD core (100% talalay)
2"-24 ILD comfort layer (100% talalay)
Each side is covered with approx. 1.5" of soy based poly quilted into a cotton cover.

I was wondering about the durability of the soy based poly. Is it a quality material? Do you see this as a concern?
I know the latex is very durable and was concerned with combining it with an inferior material in the mattress.
Thanks

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FOX Mattress 04 Feb 2014 16:13 #8

Hi Halifax,

I was wondering about the durability of the soy based poly. Is it a quality material? Do you see this as a concern?


No it wouldn't be a concern for me. Quilting foam is often used in a cover to modify the surface feel of the mattress, to help the mattress keep its shape, and is a preference for many people vs sleeping directly on latex. If the polyfoam quilting layer is "in the range" of around an inch or so then it wouldn't have an effect on the durability of the mattress and the quilting will also pre-compress the material and increase it's durability.

Once a quilting layer is 2" or more then I would want to make sure the density of the quilting foam was good quality because it could begin to affect durability but this wouldn't be a concern in thinner quilting layers. There is more about the effects of quilting materials in post #12 here .

When you have a high quality manufacturer like Fox it would be very unlikely that they would design a mattress that has any obvious weak links in its construction and this is no exception :).

Phoenix
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FOX Mattress 05 Feb 2014 03:04 #9

Thanks Phoenix,
I will be purchasing this mattress today (with 5% discount!). I will be back with reports. Thanks again for all of your valuable insight.

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FOX Mattress 05 Feb 2014 10:48 #10

Hi Halifax,

I think you made a great choice and it's always good to see one more person that comes to realize the quality and value available from dealing with a knowledgeable and experienced local manufacturer like Fox Mattress.

Congratulations on your new mattress :)

I'm looking forward to your feedback once you've had the chance to sleep on it for a bit.

Phoenix
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