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Advice re buying Sleep EZ all latex 8" special 30 Aug 2013 13:08 #11

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I'm maybe spending too much time on this, but I'm on a quest. And I don't want to make a mistake with such a major purchase. But who knew that understanding latex mattresses would be such a production? You, I guess! Thanks again for your guidance on this now somewhat obsessive journey I'm on.

So I talked to Community Mattress in Concord. I've actually had him make custom sizes inregular mattresses for me over the years. Nice guy. That said, he will only do glued layers of latex in a cover with no zipper. And that would run about $2,000 for an 8" or 9" (can't remember which) mattress (top layer Talalay with 6" slab of Dunlop). Not good for me due to price and because I want the option of reversing the order of layers and/or exchanging them for a different firmness if needed.

Called the place in Burlingame (Naturally Organic Sleep).Helpful person talked to me, but not in my price range for made-to-order. Otherwise he has some of the same expensive brand-name options that other retailers have.

Finally, talked to foamorder.com in SF and they were great. Now I'm going to visit their sister store in San Rafael this afternoon to try out the all-dunlop mattresses. As you've mentioned in other postings, they are somewhat anti-talalay, saying it's not durable enough. I've only tried mattresses with talalay on top so far.

What should I be thinking about in terms of a dunlop top layer? Can the softest Dunlop feel as soft as the soft talalay that I've already tried and liked for the top? Are there any drawbacks to all Dunlop other than personal preference/feel?

BTW: Foam Order will order Talalay but only in 6 or more inches and offered only with shorter warranty. So if we go with foamorder.com, then we will be getting all Dunlop.

I would like to decide soon, so hopfully after the visit today we will know which way to go. I will let you know!

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Advice re buying Sleep EZ all latex 8" special 30 Aug 2013 18:35 #12

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Hi moolee,

What should I be thinking about in terms of a dunlop top layer? Can the softest Dunlop feel as soft as the soft talalay that I've already tried and liked for the top? Are there any drawbacks to all Dunlop other than personal preference/feel?


I would be thinking about testing specifically and as objectively as possible for PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) as you can (using the testing guidelines in post #1 here ). Everything else is secondary when you are testing two materials that are closely equivalent in terms of durability and quality (which is the case with Talalay and Dunlop. Dunlop and Talalay have a different "feel" and the choice between them is strictly a personal preference and there is no "better and worse". You can read a little more about the differences between them in terms of "feel" in post #7 here but your own testing will be more accurate than anyone else's descriptions of "subjective" feel.

Both materials come in a wide range of firmness levels and how a mattress feels and performs for any specific person depends on their body type, sleeping positions, and subjective perceptions. There are also many other "specs" besides just ILD that can change the way a mattress feels and performs or the softness/firmness of a mattress (including compression modulus, layer thickness, and point elasticity) because every layer in a mattress has an effect on the feel and performance of every other layer. You can cut through all the technical stuff though by trusting your own careful and objective testing and what your body tells you.

It is true that for most people Dunlop in the same ILD will feel firmer than Talalay because Dunlop gets firmer faster as you compress it and that it's easier to find Talalay in softer versions than Dunlop but this means very little if a mattress uses layers that are "perfect" for you regardless of whether softer or firmer versions of latex may be available.

BTW: Foam Order will order Talalay but only in 6 or more inches and offered only with shorter warranty. So if we go with foamorder.com, then we will be getting all Dunlop.


Yes they state this on their site and I have also confirmed it in my conversations with them.

Once you are down to your finalist at each retailer or manufacturer then final choices based on all the factors that are most important to you are all that's left 9as difficult as that may be when you are making choices that are already better quality/value than 90% of consumers make in the mainstream market :))

I'm looking forward to hearing about what you end up choosing and of course if you have more questions that come up don't hesitate to post them here. All the options you are considering so far are good ones IMO.

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Advice re buying Sleep EZ all latex 8" special 30 Aug 2013 20:37 #13

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Hurray! We pulled the lever and bought our mattress tonight--went with the 9" all-Dunlop with three 3" layers from Foam Order's sister San Rafael store, The Foam Shop. Steven was so patient and helpful. We were there more than two hours trying every possible combination of layering. In the end, we still aren't 100% sure about which firmness we liked best for the top layer (kept going back and forth between soft and medium), but ended up going with the soft top, a medium middle, and a firm bottom. Also upgraded to the organic cotton cover.

With the 5% discount (Mattress Underground rocks!), we only paid about $100 more (not counting the cover upgrade) for the 9" than we would have paid for the 8" EZSleep special. Also, because we are driving distance to the store, we won't have to pay any fees if we need to switch out any of the layers (a $30 per layer cost with EZ). All and all I prefer buying local, just didn't think there was an affordable option that would work. Thanks so much for keeping me encouraged during this complicated process. I think if you hadn't been there I would have settled for something before we found the best option for us.

Funny, as my search progressed, the topic of this post went from "advice re buying Sleep EZ all latex 8 special" to "deciding between the Sleep EZ 8 special and Foam Order's 9 all Dunlop!"

Now we just have to wait the couple of weeks or so to get our new mattress. Very excited! I will let everyone know how we like it once it arrives.

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Advice re buying Sleep EZ all latex 8" special 30 Aug 2013 23:13 #14

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Hi moolee,

You did some great research and ended up with final choices that were between between "good and good" which is the best possible position to be in. If everyone that was shopping for a mattress did the same kind of research and ended up with the same type of choices available there would be a lot less people unhappy with their purchase either initially or a few months or years down the road.

Most importantly you made the choice that was the best "fit" for your personal value equation so congratulations on your new mattress :)

I'm looking forward to your updates when you have had the chance to sleep on your new mattress for a bit.

Thanks for sharing your journey and your questions along the way with the forum.

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Advice re buying Sleep EZ all latex 8" special 18 Sep 2013 20:42 #15

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So excited that our mattress finally arrived and so far after a few nights we absolutely LOVE it!!

Thanks again for helping us make the right decision for us.

BTW: We ended up needing a new foundation, too. We bought the Easy Fit from Amazon for about $200 at www.amazon.com/Easy-Fit-Box-Spring-Foundation/dp/B00471HVDW. It's working out just fine, though the middle bar they first sent was incorrectly stapled together so it couldn't be attached to the end pieces. We contacted the company to have them send us a new middle bar. They cheerfully and quickly did so. Luckily we ordered and received the foundation more than a week before the mattress arrived so we were still able to assemble the foundation in time.

Also, we decided to get a Natura Wool Puddle Pad for protection which almost no one seemed to have available without a wait. However, if anyone else is looking for one, we were able to order it in stock for a very good price ($149 for queen with free shipping) from www.bedroomsandmore.com in Seattle. They seem to have quite a few in stock right now, at least in the queen size. We already had a lightly-quilted cotton mattress pad which we are using over the puddle pad. It feels better to us than just putting the sheet directly over the wool.

Mission accomplished!

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Advice re buying Sleep EZ all latex 8" special 18 Sep 2013 22:23 #16

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Hi moolee,

It sounds like your sleeping experience so far is confirming you made a great choice.

Thanks for the tip as well about the Natura puddle pad and hopefully it will help some of the members here who are looking for one.

I appreciate your feedback and I would agree that your mission is accomplished and you are all set for many years of comfortable sleeping :)

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