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interesting article about Dunlop vs Talalay 25 Apr 2013 09:44 #41

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its a microsoft word .doc document:

www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.latexfoam.com%2Fimages%2FLatexFoamCellsandDurability.doc&ei=kFx5Ue6nL8by0wHtiYFY&usg=AFQjCNFXTsrL18AMrOVplqHAmXTqLnhaYg&sig2=Xuvdy0RWF0RHyJbcmYEB9g&bvm=bv.45645796,d.dmQ

i actually heard some misinformed opinions that Dunlop is more durable because it's higher density - but according to this Talalay is more durable because it has thicker cell walls

anyway if it is true that Talalay is both more durable and more breathable than Dunlop than this information should be included in the articles on this site that discuss the differences between these two materials.

in my opinion that is ...

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Latex Topper-Ultimate Dreams? 25 Apr 2013 10:48 #42

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Hi mom2meredeth,

A medium firm comfort layer in the range of 29 - 31 ILD would be on the firm side for most people of your body type so I can understand that you are having some shoulder pain.

The risk of adding a topper is that the softer and thicker it is ... the further away from the support layers you will be and this can increase the risk of exchanging a pressure relief issue for an alignment issue (your pelvic girdle could sink down too far and tilt causing your spine to be out of its natural alignment). Because of this ... it's usually best to use a topper that is "just enough" in terms of thickness and softness so that the risk to your alignment is minimized.

While only your own personal experience on a mattress/topper combination can know for certain how well it works ... there are some topper guidelines in post #2 here (and the posts it links to) that may be helpful in choosing the best thickness and softness.

I would probably lean more towards 2" just to reduce the alignment risk

Phoenix


are you saing that 29-31 is the ILD of the top layer of her mattress ?

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Latex Topper-Ultimate Dreams? 25 Apr 2013 11:12 #43

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Thanks so much for all the info. I think I would definitely like to stay with 100% talalay latex. What would be my options for a relatively soft, 2" topper?

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Latex Topper-Ultimate Dreams? 25 Apr 2013 11:19 #44

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Hi mom2meredith,

If you are asking this of g1981c I would be very cautious of the accuracy of any reply you receive. I transfer most of his posts to this thread (including his reply to you in your thread) so that they don't end up misleading people due to his inexperience and lack of knowledge about mattress materials, theory, construction, and design.

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Latex Topper-Ultimate Dreams? 25 Apr 2013 11:21 #45

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Actually, I was asking you! I could tell from reading prior posts, that you are the one with the knowledge! ;-)

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Latex Topper-Ultimate Dreams? 25 Apr 2013 12:10 #46

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Hi mom2meredith,

If you are asking this of g1981c I would be very cautious of the accuracy of any reply you receive. I transfer most of his posts to this thread (including his reply to you in your thread) so that they don't end up misleading people due to his inexperience and lack of knowledge about mattress materials, theory, construction, and design.

Phoenix


Imagination is more important than knowledge ~ Albert Einstein ...

besides, they did studies and people who listen to "experts" on TV were more likely to answer questions about world events wrong than people who were not following the news at all ...

in other words it doesn't matter how much you know - that doesn't make you right ;)

i dare you to point to an example in history where censorship has been used to advanced knowledge and truth ...

nobody questions the research you have done - but no amount of research can make any single person the final authority on anything. they already tried this model in ancient China but eventually they were forced to realize it doesn't work when the British Empire showed them what's what.

because progress is impossible when knowledge is considered to be final.

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foamonline saga continues 25 Apr 2013 15:14 #47

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so to recap i was pissed at their incompetence at running a business 2 weeks ago, and did a credit card chargeback or so i thought - as it turns out i didn't do it, because i called at a wrong time of the day - so today i receive their package which i thought i cancelled 2 weeks ago

it looks like vaccum sealed foam - but here is the kicker - it weighs 5 pounds, and it says 5 pounds on the UPS label ...

now what i ordered was a queen size 2" thick piece of HR foam ( 2.8 lbs / cu ft ) ...

so i call them and ask - what did you send me ? they say well we have no idea but you ordered 2 x 60 x 80 HR foam 2.8 lbs.

so i tell them well, this piece of foam was supposed to weigh 15 pounds, not 5 pounds ...

and they tell me you Russian guy we are Americans we can't count, plus we can't use the computer and it is too much trouble for us to look up your UPS tracking info to see that we indeed sent you a 5 pound package ...

now i am kidding but also i am not kidding - that's more or less exactly what they said - i asked them several times to do the math, and to look up the UPS info and they said no ...

they said call back on monday and then with any luck we will be able to know what it is that we sent you ...

great !

i know Phoenix you don't care about my opinion - but what is YOUR opinion - is this good service ? is it normal to ask a customer to wait 5 days before you check whether you have shipped the wrong item when the customer is telling you that you shipped the wrong item ? they think so !

god i mean i called them about 10 times maybe 20 BEFORE i tried to do a credit card chargeback on them, now i just called them 2 more times ( and my credit card 2 more times ) and they want me to call back again on monday ...

what planet do these people live on ? pluto ?

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foamonline saga continues 25 Apr 2013 17:25 #48

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Hi g1981c,

i know Phoenix you don't care about my opinion - but what is YOUR opinion - is this good service ? is it normal to ask a customer to wait 5 days before you check whether you have shipped the wrong item when the customer is telling you that you shipped the wrong item ? they think so !


Well you asked so I will answer truthfully. Quite frankly I also have difficulty "dealing" with you and you are continually pushing boundaries here (as you know and have been warned in my public comments to you and my replies to your PM's as well). I'm just not sure if I believe how you characterize anything if you want my honest opinion.

I would certainly want to know if I received the correct material and from this perspective I would also question it but I also know that UPS doesn't necessarily list the actual weight of a package so I would suggest that you weigh it to see what it really weighs.

More than this ... I won't make any comments because I don't know the other side of the story and quite frankly I see you as someone that is prone to rush judgements, misrepresentation of other peoples words (as you have done with me as I told you in our PM exchanges) and a tendency to exaggerate and take "extreme" positions.

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washable wool topper ? 26 Apr 2013 03:30 #49

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i did weigh it - it was 5 pounds IN THE PACKAGE. i also weighed my two latex toppers - the 19 ILD without packaging is 22 lbs and 36 ILD in the vacuum plastic wrap is 28 pounds. now remember all these three pieces are supposed to be the same exact 2 x 60 x 80 dimension ...

and my 3" thick 50 ILD HD PU foam was 25 pounds shipping weight as per UPS ( i did not weigh it ).

so we have 28 LBS, 25 LBS, 22 LBS ... 5 LBS !

and if you don't believe that i'm having this issue you can always call foamonline and they will tell you that what i'm saying here is what i told them - just tell them it's a guy from brooklyn that has been tormenting you for the past 2 weeks about his firm HR foam order.

compared to the service i get from Amazon this is not even in the same universe. one time i ordered a book from Amazon and 2 day after its scheduled delivery date it was not delivered - so i called Amazon and they overnight shipped me a second one for free - i ended up with two book copies arriving on pretty much the same day. now that's service !

the other time on Amazon i ordered a 60" Samsung LED TV and after trying it for a few days i decided i liked the picture on my Vizio better, so i called Amazon and said take it back - they came to my house and took it and i didn't pay a dime for return shipping, and the box was about 70 inches long ! now that's service !

but these people - they just grab my money and they don't seem to particularly care about satisfying me at all - at no point did i feel as if they cared about anything at all except holding on to my money.

to their credit they did say they will refund if they determine they shipped me a completely wrong foam - but come on ! they could have determined this in 30 seconds - instead they said we will look into it monday ... on Amazon i can call at 3AM and say i want a refund and in 5 minutes i will have it even if it wasn't Amazon's fault.

look i never said they were crooks - all i ever said is that it is a terribly run business - so bad that i decided to order inferior foam ( HD grade versus HR grade ) from somebody else simply so i would never have to deal with them again - but now despite my best efforts i am dragged into dealing with them anyway !

i think other people have the right to know about my experience, and if somebody else had a positive experience they can share it too, and the people can decide who they want to believe.

i write reviews on Amazon all the time. one time i wrote an honest review and the next day i was contacted by seller and they offered me a refund just for removing my review ( they previously didn't want to take the product back ). and guess what, i was never banned from Amazon, i was never warned, and i am still a valued customer and i buy just about everything there because their service never let me down.

on the other hand with these foamonline people if you ban me i will just make a youtube video about my experience with them - and it will get more views than than my posts here. i have done 3 reviews on my youtube so far and they averaged 3,000 views each. my posts here get about 20 - 30 views.

www.youtube.com/user/g1981c/videos?view=0

and you can be sure when i do the video it's not going to be polite like my posts here - it's going to be Fs and MFs every other word and it will have a lot more detail that i spared here in order not to sound bitter or biased and will have so much color it will make your head spin.

i'm not threatening anybody - i'm just saying my steam has to go somewhere - if you block me here it will go on YouTube

in fact why don't i go ahead and start filming the video now while i still have this 5 pound package - then i can include the footage in my video and nobody will be able to doubt for a second that what i am saying is true. i have their packing slip and shipping label and they don't match each other and i can get both on video and i can weigh the package on video too.

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Please help a very broken person find the right mattress 26 Apr 2013 13:44 #50

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yeah pure latex bliss topper is really soft, but i would have to guess the 14 ILD latex topper from brooklyn bedding is probably very similar. i believe you can also get 100% natural 14 ILD talalay topper from sleeplikeabear which probably would be even closer to pure latex bliss topper but also closer in price.

frankly your requirements are confusing. the softest thing you can have on top is pretty much memory foam but you don't want that - and the second softest thing you can have is 14 ILD talalay and you don't want that too ... but you want the top to be very soft ...

perhaps a down topper would suit you ? like this: www.amazon.com/Pacific-Coast%C2%AE-LoftTM-Construction-Feather/dp/B004BUVGI0/ref=sr_1_1?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1367009019&sr=1-1

even so it would probably compress and you would probably still want latex or memory foam under it ...

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