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Caught in the loop - Restored 03 Mar 2013 12:56 #11

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Re: Caught in the loop 18 Dec 2012 07:10 #11

From: TD-Max

Thanks for the info.

The Swanwick is long gone 3yrs ago. almost to the day.

As for my saga it's looking like I'll pick out something from Sealy/Stearns for starters and then shop Verlo for either latex, dual sided spring core, or air.

Alternatively I may try Beloit mattress and see how their Latex line feels. Looks like they have reasonable prices and high quality with the key drawback being the 4 or so hrs travel time
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Caught in the loop - Restored 03 Mar 2013 12:58 #12

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Re: Caught in the loop 18 Dec 2012 11:25 #12

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Hi TD-Max,

Outside of the travel time ... Beloit would make a great choice and they are among the best quality/value in the country.

I know that 4 hours is a long way but it may be worthwhile testing Verlo mattresses and then talking to them on the phone to see if they may have something comparable to the mattresses you liked the best and then deciding if it's worth a trip.

It may also be worth reading this article before considering an airbed.

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Caught in the loop - Restored 03 Mar 2013 12:59 #13

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Re: Caught in the loop 18 Dec 2012 15:59 #13

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Well an evening of mattress shopping reminded me that no doubt the Stearns feel better than the Sealys by far. The firm units felt nice, plush felt better and pillow better yet. I keep getting sucked into the pillow tops. In the end we found 2 that stood out:

1) Stearns luxury Latex "French Vanilla" which is a inner spring with latex in the comfort layer somewhere. Old model, priced right

2) Stearns Luxury Estate Marilyn in a plush pillow top


The Marilyn felt really nice and a bit more solid/firm than another pilow that they had. Either the Caress Flex foam or the dual coils seemed to firm it up a bit even though it's rated as being soft
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Caught in the loop - Restored 03 Mar 2013 13:00 #14

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Re: Caught in the loop 18 Dec 2012 18:23 #14

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Hi TD-Max,

I think that the direction you are going will lead to an endless loop of similar experiences (mattresses with short lifetimes) in about the same length of time or sooner (in the case of pillowtops) as has already happened for you.

I'm guessing you are looking at these as replacements ? (because I certainly wouldn't buy them).

If that's the case ... I would make sure you avoid polyfoam in the upper layers as much as possible (which means no pillowtops which will be an even bigger issue than tight tops).

I would always make sure you know the layers of any mattresses you are looking at (even if they don't list the foam quality) and this includes any replacement mattresses you are considering.

I would then make a choice that is much firmer than you prefer and has the least possible amount of polyfoam in the upper layers.

Then I would add a high quality topper as your comfort layer.

This way you will have a much more durable sleeping system and you will be able to replace just a topper if this becomes necessary.

I'm not sure why you are looking at mattresses that have the same weak link as mattresses that have failed for you so many times in the past.

The price of a mattress, especially when you are talking about major brands with thick layers of lower quality materials, has little to do with its quality, suitability, or durability.

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Caught in the loop - Restored 03 Mar 2013 13:02 #15

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Re: Caught in the loop 19 Dec 2012 04:45 #15

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What can I say I'm a glutton...


No seriously, if you said that for $10k I could buy the last bed that I'd ever have to buy and it would be perfect for 30+ years I'd probably do it.

At this point Sealy/Stearns needs to be held accountable and replace what I have. This is step one. From there I can look to move on. Hopefully I can do some convincing to move the new Stearns downstairs and find a new home for my old refurbished Restonic full size set.

So that said I need to choose the best pile of over priced junk that I can.

Why do you say that a pillow will fail worse than a tight top? My good man Glenn at Verlo made the suggestion that we look to a Firm pillow so that I as a back/coffin sleeper can get the support I need and she a side sleeper can get a bit of comfort.

FWIW The Stearns Felisha appears to have mostly latex and memory foams in it although I cannot find a spec on the composition of their caress flex foam. The Caress flex is a pretty firm density foam as it is segmented like a waffle iron and holds shape relatively well. This may or may not be the weak link.
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Caught in the loop - Restored 03 Mar 2013 13:03 #16

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Re: Caught in the loop 19 Dec 2012 05:43 #16

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We tried the Graciella aka Jacalyn aka Rosita in plush EPT and it felt good. We also tried Nadine/Marilyn and it was notably better. Yes it had more comfort layers, but it also felt to be much firmer beneath. We did apparently try the Felisha aka Patti at Slumberland but did not make note of names at this point. I do recall that the pillows kept drawing me in though. All of the Stearns felt decent and the Sealy a bit firm yet unsupportive of my lower back.

All that we tested were plush pillows though and not firm pillows which I have pasted below:


Graciella Firm EPT: Comfort Layers: 2" HD Foam, Versare, 1"HD Foam, 1" Memory Foam
Graciella Plush EPT: Comfort Layers: 2" HD SuperSoft Foam, Versare, 1" HD Foam, 1 " Memory Foam



Felisha Firm EPT: Comfort Layers: 1.57" Smart Latex ; 1" Memory Foam, Versare, 2" CaressFlex Marvelux
Felisha plush EPT: Comfort Layers: 1.5 " IntuiSoft Smart Latex ; 1" Memory Foam, Versare, 2" CaressFlex High Performance

Nadine Firm EPT: Comfort Layers: 2" HD Foam; .79" Sense-Align Smart Latex, Versare, 1" HD Performance Foam, .79" Sense-Align Smart Latex, Eco Cotton + Wool, 2" CaressFlex HD
Nadine Plush EPT: Comfort Layers: 2" HD SuperSoft Foam; .79" Sense-Align Smart Latex, Versare, 1" HD SuperSoft Foam, .79" Sense-Align Smart Latex, Eco Cotton + Wool, 2" CaressFlex HD


So given the construction of the above would a guy be better trying the middle of the road for less "HD foam" ?
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Caught in the loop - Restored 03 Mar 2013 13:05 #17

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Re: Caught in the loop 19 Dec 2012 06:45 #17

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Hi TD-Max,

Besides the layers that you've listed ... all of them also contain even more polyfoam in the quilting layers (which are part of the comfort layers).

Quilt: FlameGuard™ Fiber, 1" Ultra Soft, .5 oz Fiber, 1" Hypersoft®

This by itself (2" of soft polyfoam and some synthetic fiber) would generally be enough for me to exclude a mattress (unless I knew the quality/density of the polyfoam was higher) much less with the additional polyfoam or memory foam that is in the layers you listed (everything listed as HD foam, Supersoft foam, CaressFlex, Marvelux, memory foam).

I wouldn't consider buying any of these but if I was forced to consider one of the Stearns & Foster Estate series because of an exchange I would reluctantly look at one of the Ultra firm models (Twila or Felisha or one of the other names they use) which have less and firmer polyfoam in the upper layers (comfort layers and quilting layers combined) and then add a good quality topper to it.

I would probably choose the Felisha over the Twila because it only has 2" of polyfoam before you reach a synthetic latex layer while the Twila has 4" of polyfoam before you reach a very thin layer of synthetic latex.

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Caught in the loop - Restored 03 Mar 2013 13:08 #18

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Re: Caught in the loop 19 Dec 2012 06:53 #18

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I did try one of the Ultra Firm models and was intrigued, but there's no way on god's green earth that my partner could stand one of these. I literally could feel the "edges" of the heavy foam as it conformed to my body. It's hard to describe, but I'd say it felt like an ultra firm memory foam that allowed little to no compression. Truth be told I don't know if even I could stand it as I need the comfort layers to come up and support my lower back.
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Caught in the loop - Restored 03 Mar 2013 13:09 #19

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Re: Caught in the loop 19 Dec 2012 08:37 #19

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Hi TD-Max,

I think you may be missing most of the information in my posts.

The idea is to add your own higher quality comfort layer with a topper. In this case ... the mattress by itself is not supposed to be "comfortable" ... it would be the base mattress for a topper.

If you are looking for a "comfortable" version of a Stearns & Foster ... it will have thick layers of "suspect polyfoam" and you will almost certainly have a repeat of the same issues you have already experienced ... possibly even sooner if you go with a pillow top or eurotop.

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Re: Caught in the loop 19 Dec 2012 09:12 #20

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I've followed the topper thing and have definitely given it some thought. Problem is now we are in a gussing game again and looks like about $250 per attempt plus frt.


Why do you say the stearns pillow tops will fail more quickly?
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