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Close to a Latex Bed Decision in LA... i Hope! 19 Feb 2013 06:20 #11

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Sorry for my miscommunication. My bed is a beautiful cal king with only four 1x3" slats going across. Its not well designed as i found that these poor slats were sagging big time under my box spring and 12" ortho innerspring mattress. If the slats had legs they had broken off so no center support. I propped up each slat with medical books. You cant see them as the bed has beautiful sides with enough room to get those books in there! That has worked well for years. I had hoped to fix this condition for the next mattress. The box springs and orth matress are about six years old. I considered the wire frame but it just looks bad and gives me a bad feeling with regard to damaging the latex mattress. After looking under the bed again, i thought maybe i can just put the new mattress on the current box springs. Thats got to be as good as a wire thing. I could put the sleepez box there if the box springs dont feel good. Hopefully the books hold up everything. I trust scott at fsf and the 12"latex did feel significantly better. I have cold feet now thinking maybe ive got too much weight and height. Amazingly the 12" of nice talalay is a grand cheaper than 9" of latex in the electopedics model that i couldnt pull the trigger on.. With a better return/exchange policy. Im trying to use my bed with a box and a mattress. I was told by electropedic and by henry at flexus that they would make a box with legs to get the overall height to 26" but i chose a place with a better mattress for me but a project as well. :dry:

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Close to a Latex Bed Decision in LA... i Hope! 19 Feb 2013 08:01 #12

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Hi Dr.Rich,

OK ... I get it now.

After looking under the bed again, i thought maybe i can just put the new mattress on the current box springs. Thats got to be as good as a wire thing.


Box springs will have some flex to them (they have springs and are designed for an innerspring mattress) and the wire grid foundation or a slatted foundation will be much more firm and non flexing. If the box springs haven't been damaged by the sagging slats and still have a level surface and no weak spots they would provide evenly distributed support under the mattress but if they are sagging the mattress will follow the sag and either way they may change the feel and response of the mattress because of the extra flex under the mattress. Sleeping on it would answer if that was OK. Otherwise then removing the slats and adding the SleepEz foundation or any suitable foundation with bedlegs of the right height would work well.

I have cold feet now thinking maybe ive got too much weight and height. Amazingly the 12" of nice talalay is a grand cheaper than 9" of latex in the electopedics model that i couldnt pull the trigger on.. With a better return/exchange policy. Im trying to use my bed with a box and a mattress. I was told by electropedic and by henry at flexus that they would make a box with legs to get the overall height to 26" but i chose a place with a better mattress for me but a project as well. :dry:


You would have close to the same weight issues with any latex mattress or if the slats are sagging you would have a support issue with any mattress so I don't think the mattress is the real issue and it certainly is good value. I would be tempted to use a solid foundation with legs attached if that gives you the height you want (or the bedlegs which can go with any foundation and you can choose the height you want) or alternatively try the box springs as a temporary solution to see how it worked but I would make sure that the surface was level and it had no weak spots as well.

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Close to a Latex Bed Decision in LA... i Hope! 22 Feb 2013 06:54 #13

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Phoenix,
I considered your wise advice and had a lengthy conversation with Bill at US Box Spring. We explored options for a foundation. Most of his suggestions were terrific and had nothing to do with his product, i.e. plywood, DIY projects etc. As you suggested i chose to get his 9" high wood foundation and put 5" universal legs on it. He agreed to waive the shipping fee. He is sure the legs will work on the foundation. He liked the idea so much that he plans on on selling the legs on his site. Very convenient. Best of all, he agreed to waive the shipping fee for all who ask! Now he has the best price. Just thought i would let you know since i found him to be so forthright, helpful and patient. The foundation is already on its way just a few hours after ordering it!

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Close to a Latex Bed Decision in LA... i Hope! 22 Feb 2013 16:28 #14

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Hi Dr.Rich,

That's good news :)

Thanks too for doing the legwork to have the shipping fee waived ... that will help other members who are looking at them and ask as well. I've added a note to the foundation thread to make sure they do.

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Close to a Latex Bed Decision in LA... i Hope! 07 Apr 2013 18:40 #15

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Hi Rich. Just off the phone with Bill at US Box Springs and boy is he a great guy!
How do you like the product? I just have a feeling his foundation is going to be quality, but I thought I'd check with you.
Actually I was going to dive in and order immediately, but he advised me not to...that I should wait 'til Tuesday when he has new photos are to be posted. I had a number of questions and he took his time answering them all, in addition to offering wise advice. I had really wanted to see photos of his latest foundation (the original had some minor tweaking) and even tho' I wanted to order after having such a nice chat, he insisted I wait for the photos to be uploaded so that I was going to be fully satisfied with the updated images prior to ordering. I mean, how incredibly honorable is that?? He sure had a bird in the hand, but chose to do the right thing.
I am really looking forward to purchasing from him...I'd be really shocked if I didn't love it!
Thanks for your feedback Rich. I've a feeling you are happy with your purchase!
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(I'll be sure to post my recommendation after I have been able to try it out for a few nights)
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P.S. I have received my latex mattress...I ended up ordering from Dreamfoam Bedding, where Chuck's customer service was terrific. I'll have to post an update for this forum after I've had a chance to use it on my foundation.

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Close to a Latex Bed Decision in LA... i Hope! 08 Apr 2013 01:06 #16

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Hi bibliophile,

I'll second your thoughts about US Box springs.

Congratulations on your new mattress as well :)

I'm looking forward to your feedback about your new mattress and your new foundation as well!

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Close to a Latex Bed Decision in LA... i Hope! 10 Jun 2013 13:56 #17

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sorry for the delay, bibliophile. i haven't been on the site for a while because i got my foundation and bed and have been so happy! Yes, Bill, at us box spring, is a terrific guy and very forthright. I think the world of him.. I got my latex bed from foam sweet foam. they are terrific. good price, good quality. i changed the levels of my four 3" layers to make it more firm and haven't looked back. (i made it Med/Firm/ExFirm/Med). take care and sleep well!

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Close to a Latex Bed Decision in LA... i Hope! 10 Jun 2013 14:48 #18

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Looking at their online site, the 9" natural talalay seems a good price (better than SleepEZ). Quick question. Would getting a Medium/Firm/Medium (26/32/26) make it "flippable"?

How would it compare to a Denver Telluride? (I know totally different initial effect, but after you're lying there for a while?). Anything at a Denver Mattress store that might be "close" that I could get my wife to try?

Any smell in it DrRich?

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Close to a Latex Bed Decision in LA... i Hope! 10 Jun 2013 21:48 #19

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Hi tcat007,

SleepEz and FSF are both great value although there are some differences between the options they offer that may be more or less important for some people. They would certainly both make great choices.

Would getting a Medium/Firm/Medium (26/32/26) make it "flippable"?


Somewhat yes. The cover is one sided so you would need to remove the foam and put the layers back in the opposite order to "flip" it.

How would it compare to a Denver Telluride? (I know totally different initial effect, but after you're lying there for a while?). Anything at a Denver Mattress store that might be "close" that I could get my wife to try?


I think these two mattresses are far too different to make any kind of meaningful comparison between them outside of subjective comparisons from someone who had tested or slept on both of them (and their perceptions and assessment may only apply to them). I personally haven't slept on either of them so I really have no idea.

The top few inches of foam are a big part of what someone feels on a mattress .. at least initially ... but I also don't know the "comfort specs" of the foams in the Telluride (ILD, compression modulus, resilience, elasticity etc) and it's very difficult to speculate about how a mattress that uses several types of foam in the comfort layers would feel in comparison to a very different mattress design in real life even if the specs are known. Different body types will also be more sensitive to different layers (they will "go through" some layers more than others and "come to rest" more or less deeply in the mattress) so how they felt and compared would be different for different people.

About the closest you could come would be to have someone "rate" them as either soft, medium, or firm in very general terms (and even here there are different types of softness ) and hope that the meaning of the "word ratings" that were used are similar enough between the people who are rating them that they would be somewhat close approximations.

There really is no way to predict "in theory" how they would compare for someone else except in the very general or approximate and subjective terms based on personal experience.

I would think that the closest to an all latex mattress with 3x3" layers that Denver Mattress would have is their new iChoice latex mattress and topper although the ILD (firmness level) and layer thickness of the upper layers and topper would still be different (and they don't offer custom choices).

There may be other retailers or manufacturers close to you that carry a mattress that may be a closer approximation and if you let me know your city or zip I'd be happy to let you know of any I'm aware of in your area.

Phoenix
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