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Experiencing pain with new APMC latex mattress 27 Jan 2013 06:01 #1

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Hi Phoenix and everyone,

I received my adjustable latex mattress from Arizona premium Mattress Co. last week.

Just a reminder, I ordered the 22ILd topper and 32ILD core. I weigh 125LBs and I'm 5 feet 4 inches tall...start off sleeping on my side but shift to my stomach and wake up on my back.

The mattress came in 3 large boxes, very well packed, latex is in great condition. Not crazy about the organic cotton cover due to the all the loose threads on it, if they were pulled they would come undone.

Anyway I set it up fairly easy by myself. I started off with the topper on the top and that night I slept okay but I had the worse lower back pain in the morning and throughout the next day. I've been sleeping on firm mattresses all my life and this one is a lot softer than what I'm use to, but I figured going a little softer would probably be better for me. After a couple nights with that set up I decided to put the 32ild core on top and the 22ild on the bottom. I had less lower back pain but I still have middle back pain and my neck and shoulder area hurt, also when I try to sleep on my stomach I wake up with tingling in my hands....so I've been sleeping on my back only, to minimize body pain. I've been told it takes time to have your body adjust to a new mattress but I'm wondering how long.
I'm going to try sleeping with one pillow instead of 2 like I usually do.

I'm wondering if the back doesn't stop hurting if I should go back to a firmer feel, since my old 300 dollar extra firm spring mattress never caused me this much pain. Should I exchange the core to a 38ild and sleep on top of that? or just return the mattress.

I really wanted to like this mattress b/c I like lying on it but it's just that when I sleep an entire night on it the next day I'm feeling strange new aches and pains. :(

On a brighter side my 2 cats love it they are always on it.

Any suggestions would be appreciated,
-K

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Experiencing pain with new APMC latex mattress 27 Jan 2013 07:01 #2

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Hi kdreams,

The first thing I would suggest is to give any new mattress that is significantly different from what you are used to (which was much firmer) at least 30 days. When you are used to a certain sleeping surface ... even if it is not as good for your comfort and especially your alignment ... there can be some discomfort as you are adjusting from a learned alignment to a new alignment ... even if it is better or more "theoretically" correct. This is not unusual at all and there are many people who are very glad they gave their new mattress some time and once they are used to it they wouldn't change it for the world. You can read a little more about learned alignment vs natural alignment in post #7 here .

Of course it's also possible that your mattress isn't providing the alignment that you need because each person is unique but this would seem to be in the range of what would be "average" for your body type and sleeping positions. It's also more difficult when you sleep in multiple positions like you do ... especially if it includes stomach sleeping to any degree ... because stomach sleeping needs a thinner comfort layer to prevent sleeping in a swayback position while side sleeping needs a thicker softer comfort layers to relieve pressure which of course are opposites. In most cases, "just enough" pressure relief for side sleeping and no more is the best possible compromise that can provide good alignment on your stomach. Latex is generally one of the best materials for people that sleep in multiple positions because even softer latex has a much higher support factor and gets firmer faster as you sink in deeper but no matter what the material is it's more difficult to accommodate all sleeping positions and this can take some fine tuning.

It's also possible that you need a firmer support layer (which is available with an exchange) because this may be better for your stomach sleeping and with your lighter weight you may not need as thick a comfort layer with a firmer support core ... but I would give it more time before you go in this direction. It does seem clear that if you sleep on the other side of your mattress that the surface is on the too firm side of the scale and the symptoms you are experiencing are typical of pressure relief issues that come from a mattress surface that is too firm. This indicates that you do need some softness on the surface but you may need a little more firmness underneath if you don't find yourself adjusting over time to your current configuration.

I would also make the pillow changes you are suggesting because if the mattress is softer than you are used to it will normally require a different pillow (or pillows) because the gap between your head and the mattress would be different (less). Two pillows are also not a great idea for back and especially stomach sleepers because this would tend to put your head and neck out of alignment which an cause issues in the upper back and neck. Stomach sleepers typically need a much thinner pillow or in some cases no pillow at all. Some of the links in the pillow thread here (post #3) may be helpful as well. With multiple sleeping positions ... a pillow that can be "scrunched" for thickness and also used as a flatter pillow to accommodate the different sleeping positions can also be a good idea.

Just to eliminate it as a possibility as well ... I should also confirm that your mattress is on a firm non flexing foundation?

Most importantly of all though ... I would talk with Arizona Premium because like all good online dealers they are very good at making suggestions that can help in cases like yours. They may also have some insights that may help you that comes from their many years of experience with their mattresses. When you talk with them I would also mention about the loose threads in your cover because if there are many of these and there is a risk of them pulling out with normal use that doesn't seem like the norm either.

So you have options that are likely to produce success but first comes some time, probably thinner pillows, and a conversation with Arizona premium.

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Experiencing pain with new APMC latex mattress 27 Jan 2013 17:46 #3

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K,

Le me know what they say about the organic cover? I was looking at the same mattress and I am curious.

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Experiencing pain with new APMC latex mattress 27 Jan 2013 19:50 #4

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Hi Phoenix,

Thanks for the advice, wow lots to think about. I did try sleeping on just one of the latex pillow the bed came with. Today I seem to have a little less shoulder pain and I still have back pain, just above my lower back. By the way, I really like the latex pillows I've been using them instead of my flat nylon filled pillows. I'll try using different pillows too.

And yes, I have a platform bed with a solid wood foundation the mattress rests on.

Regarding your statement here,

"It does seem clear that if you sleep on the other side of your mattress that the surface is on the too firm side of the scale and the symptoms you are experiencing are typical of pressure relief issues that come from a mattress surface that is too firm."

That makes sense but on my former extra firm spring mattress, which was much firmer than than this one, as well as when I sleep on the floor with a sleeping bag as I often do camping, etc... I didn't have the soreness or these pressure relief issues that I am now experiencing. I'm kind of confused, maybe my body is too.

My body keeps telling me it doesn't like the bed but I'll take your advice and give it some more time. Maybe I'll try to put the soft topper on top again and give that another try too. I could try putting the soft topper on top of my extra firm spring mattress it's a twin though not a full and see what that feels like. Maybe it doesn't help too that I am a creature of habit especially when it comes to comfort and I usually don't have much tolerance for discomfort that goes for shoe shopping as well.

Thanks again I'll be more patient and experiment a little...and of course call Ken again.

-K

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Experiencing pain with new APMC latex mattress 27 Jan 2013 19:54 #5

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Hi bwomp

Sure I'll let you know what Ken says. I'll eventually hopefully post some pictures I took too.

-K

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Experiencing pain with new APMC latex mattress 27 Jan 2013 21:22 #6

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Thanks K!

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Experiencing pain with new APMC latex mattress 28 Jan 2013 00:09 #7

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Hi kdreams,

That makes sense but on my former extra firm spring mattress, which was much firmer than than this one, as well as when I sleep on the floor with a sleeping bag as I often do camping, etc... I didn't have the soreness or these pressure relief issues that I am now experiencing. I'm kind of confused, maybe my body is too.


A "typical" extra firm mattress will still have some soft foam on top and the firmness usually comes from "going through" the top layers into the firmer layers below them. Firmness can either come from the surface layers themselves or from the feel of deeper layers "coming through" the softer layers over top of them. I would doubt that your extra firm spring mattress had firmer surface layers than sleeping directly on the firmer latex itself ... although of course it's possible. It would likely include a mix of softer foam and firmer foam over a very firm innerspring. Without this most people wouldn't be able to sleep on it.

All of your experience though can help "point" to a solution (and if you can sleep on the a hard floor with just a sleeping bag without pressure issues that would be very unusual) and your own experience will always trump any "theory at a distance". All of this though indicates that the mattress you have may take some getting used to because of how different it is from what you are used to ... even if it's actually "better" than what you had. Your body may very well be "confused" with all the changes you are making :)

My body keeps telling me it doesn't like the bed but I'll take your advice and give it some more time. Maybe I'll try to put the soft topper on top again and give that another try too. I could try putting the soft topper on top of my extra firm spring mattress it's a twin though not a full and see what that feels like. Maybe it doesn't help too that I am a creature of habit especially when it comes to comfort and I usually don't have much tolerance for discomfort that goes for shoe shopping as well.


I would certainly give any more dramatic changes such as the ones you have made more time. You will still have the same options as you do now a few weeks down the road and that way you can make sure that whatever you decide to do will be based on your actual longer term experience. I also wouldn't make any changes quickly because you will need at least a few days of experience to have any accurate idea of what any change will produce so if you have flipped your mattress I would test this for at least a few days ... especially considering that you can sleep on a floor (with a sleeping bag) :)

I also wouldn't add the topper to your current mattress because you would introduce variables that you would have no way of evaluating as it relates to your current mattress.

One step at a time ... and giving each change enough time to evaluate ... is the most effective approach. Of course a conversation with Ken or Greg is the most important part of all because he will have more insights into his own mattresses and how they relate to the experiences and "symptoms" of any particular person than anyone else.

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Experiencing pain with new APMC latex mattress 02 Feb 2013 03:05 #8

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K,

Hows everything going? What did you find out?

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Experiencing pain with new APMC latex mattress 03 Feb 2013 06:58 #9

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Sorry for the delay, my week has been hectic but I will call Ken this week & ask those questions about the cover and I'll give an update .
I'm getting use to the bed a bit more but I think i'm going to find a pillow I can fluff up and flatten out as Phoenix suggested for my combination sleep. Does anyone know which types or brand of pillow will do this?

Thanks
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Experiencing pain with new APMC latex mattress 03 Feb 2013 13:35 #10

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Ken is going to send me a sample of his cover material. Im glad you hear things are getting better.

I dont know what phoenix will say about these, but my girlfriend and I are big fans of mypillow (www.mypillow.com) for that exact reason.

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