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European sleep works and Berkley Ergonimics 24 Jan 2013 02:14 #1

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Any info on these two brands European sleep works and Berkley Ergonimics?

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European sleep works and Berkley Ergonimics 24 Jan 2013 03:01 #2

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Same thing :) European Sleep Works sells Berkley Ergonomics. There are really only a handful of places around the country that sell Berkley Ergonomics & European Sleep works is one of them. There are a few others in CA, at least one on NY, Sovn here in Dallas and a few others around the country.

High quality materials and mattresses. We've had one about a year now and we're still very pleased with it! Before this I couldn't make it 6 months without 'sag'.

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European sleep works and Berkley Ergonimics 24 Jan 2013 04:45 #3

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Hi SleeplessinDallas,

Thanks for paying us a visit and it's great to hear that things are still going well for you :)

You certainly went through lots of "stuff" and grief before you finally found a mattress that works for you.

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European sleep works and Berkley Ergonimics 24 Jan 2013 11:57 #4

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This is my dilemma, but a Berkley 8"latex model for $2775 or a Foamsweetfoam 12" for $2800. That is why I asked paying the same amount for less latex.

I guess the one good thing is Flybynight is within 25 minutes from me and they sell the Berkley there so I can try it. Where as the online retailers I can't.

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European sleep works and Berkley Ergonimics 24 Jan 2013 17:10 #5

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Hi yianni54,

Foam Sweet Foam also has a 9" version as well for about $600 less and there are also many other online options in the 8" to 9" range that would be suitable for your height and weight ... many of which offer exchangeable layers if your first choice is not what you prefer.

I personally place a premium on the ability to try a mattress locally and if Flybynight is close to you I would take advantage of the ability to test an all latex mattress regardless of where you end up making a purchase.

You may also want to check ctmattress.com/ who carries Pure Latex Bliss in South Windsor and Avon (at least according to their site retail finder ) which is an all Talalay latex mattress.

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European sleep works and Berkley Ergonimics 24 Jan 2013 19:26 #6

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Will the extra 4" of latex ensure less sag in the future? Do I need an extra 4" of latex? Is Bekleys latex better than someone else's latex?

How does Pure latex bliss compare to Berkely? Flybynight also carries the Pure Latex Bliss brand.

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European sleep works and Berkley Ergonimics 24 Jan 2013 21:45 #7

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Hi yianni54,

Will the extra 4" of latex ensure less sag in the future?


It depends more on the specific design and type of latex in the two mattresses you wanted to compare (and "it depends" is the norm for almost any question about mattresses) and you can see some of the many factors that contribute to durability in post #2 here but in most cases ... probably not.

Do I need an extra 4" of latex?


You may prefer it for various reasons but you don't "need" it no.

Is Bekleys latex better than someone else's latex?


There are many types of latex and Berkeley Ergonomics doesn't make their own. It would be the same or very similar to other types of latex that used the same production method (Dunlop or Talalay) in the same "blend" of natural to synthetic (and I believe they use all natural in both types). So if you compare their latex in an apples to apples comparison with other latex or the same type and blend it would be the same. The designs, layering, firmness levels, and components of their mattresses may be different though from other manufacturers that used the same type of latex in their mattresses.

How does Pure latex bliss compare to Berkely?


In terms of materials ... Pure Latex Bliss uses blended Talalay and Berkeley Ergonomics uses 100% natural Dunlop and 100% natural Talalay. This article along with post #6 here and post #6 here have much more detailed information about the different types of latex and how they compare to each other.

Of course I can't speak to how one mattress may compare to another in terms of how suitable it may be for you in terms of PPP or it's relative "value" unless I know the specifics of the mattress itself and the price (and if you list the specifics I'd certainly be happy to give you my thoughts) and of course it's value to you may be different from its "commodity value" as well. Generically though ... both of these make "latex" mattresses of different types and can certainly be better value (depending on the price they are selling for) than most mainstream manufacturers and they would both be worth including in your research and testing.

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European sleep works and Berkley Ergonimics 25 Jan 2013 21:45 #8

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Ok, so I have it narrowed down. I went to Flybynight today. I tried the Berkley ergonomics and Pure Latex bliss. I found that I am not too crazy about the pocketed coils with latex on top system. I want to go pure Latex.

I have narrowed it down to the following choices:

1. Bekley Ergonomics - 8" 100% natural latex, this has a 6" core with 2 " on top. $2,770

2. Pure Latex Bliss - World Best Bed Model, this has 12" latex but it is a blended latex. $3,100

3. Foam Sweet Foam - 12" 100% Natural Talalay (4 - 3" layers), $2799

I must say i did notice a difference between 8" of latex vs 12" latex when comparing the Berkley to the Pure latex Bliss.

I dont know if this was due to the 100% Talalay vs the Blended of the pure Latex Bliss or not?

Also, is there a benefit or a con to having one 6" piece of latex vs (2) 3" pieces of latex?

How is Pure latex Bliss as a company? Do they stand by their customers, never mind product?

Another question, How is the quality of Foam Sweet Foams zippered cover vs say PLB or Temper pedic?

I guess I am scared purchasing from an online retailer something that I havent tried.

Thanks again Phoenix!

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European sleep works and Berkley Ergonimics 25 Jan 2013 23:23 #9

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Hi yianni54,

You have certainly eliminated all the "worst" options and narrowed things down to some good choices which is great to see :)

While I can't speak to which may be "better" for you because that has many different parts and is based on each person's "value equation" ... I can certainly make a few comments of things that I would be looking at in making a decision between them.

I must say i did notice a difference between 8" of latex vs 12" latex when comparing the Berkley to the Pure latex Bliss.

I dont know if this was due to the 100% Talalay vs the Blended of the pure Latex Bliss or not?


I think that this probably has to do with the specific layering of each and the ILD's in each mattress much more than the differences in materials. While there is a difference in Dunlop (used in the Core layer of BE) vs Talalay that most people can feel ... the difference between 100% natural Talalay and blended Talalay is much less obvious and many people can't tell the difference at all. Of course the difference would be more noticeable in a mattress that was all one type of material than it would be in just a single layer.

Also, is there a benefit or a con to having one 6" piece of latex vs (2) 3" pieces of latex?


In and of itself no. For someone that slept on a mattress which had a single 6" core layer that was perfect for them there would be no benefit in having two 3" layers of the same ILD. On the other hand ... two separate layers that can be layered with different ILD's can provide design flexibility that isn't possible with a single 6" layer. In some cases this can be a benefit in terms of fine tuning a mattress for someone's unique needs and preferences and there are also cases where this can introduce a level of complexity that can be confusing. In other words ... it depends on the person and the goal of the design. Each has its pros and cons but one is not intrinsically "better" than the other.

How is Pure latex Bliss as a company? Do they stand by their customers, never mind product?


They are owned by Latex International whch is one of the two main Talalay latex manufacturers in the world and the largest supplier of Talalay latex to mattress manufacturers in North America. They are very responsive to retailers (which are their customers because they don't sell directly to consumers) but also to consumers as well.

Another question, How is the quality of Foam Sweet Foams zippered cover vs say PLB or Temper pedic?


They are very different because they have an organic cover quilted with organic wool which is very high quality and much more costly than either of the other unquilted covers you are mentioning. While some people prefer a thinner stretch knit cover (such as the one used in the PLB which is also high quality but not nearly as costly) others prefer wool in the quilting because it is used as a fire barrier (so they don't need another type of fire barrier) and wool can regulate temperature very effectively. So this may also not be a "better worse" comparison but in cost and quality terms the FSF is certainly higher quality and a more significant part of the overall cost of the mattress. The BE also has a high quality wool quilted cover.

I guess I am scared purchasing from an online retailer something that I havent tried.


I understand this and it's a common "feeling" when someone is considering an online purchase and is also part of what each person needs to take into account in their personal value equation.

Some suggestions about some of the differences between your choices that may be important to you or at least worth considering ...

From a commodity point of view in terms of "value" ... FSF uses a more costly version of latex in their mattresses (100% natural is more expensive than either Dunlop or blended Talalay and in the same range as Dunlop that is certified organic) and is the better "commodity value" of the three based on the relative cost of the materials and components in the mattress.

Both the FSF and the BE can be adjusted after the fact (to different degrees) if your choice needs some fine tuning while the only option with PLB to do this would be adding a topper or exchanging the mattress. FSF is the most customizable of all of them because you can re-arrange the layers if you need to and you can also do a layer exchange for one of your layers at the cost of one way shipping should you need this.

Both FSF and BE have the ability to replace a comfort layer down the road should this be necessary for durability reasons or changing comfort needs. With FSF you can replace any of the layers. PLB doesn't have this ability.

Of course PPP (Pressure relief, Posture and alignment, and Personal preferences) is a significant part of the "value" of a mattress and only you can decide which you believe will best match your individual needs and preferences. I would make certain that in the testing you have done you have tested specifically for pressure relief and support/alignment on each mattress rather than just going by the more subjective standard of 'comfort". Because you haven't tested the FSF ... this would be "theoretical" based on your knowledge of similar materials, your conversations with the manufacturer, and on the ability to re-arrange or exchange layers. I normally use a 20% "premium" with an online manufacturer vs a local purchase as being roughly equivalent value but each person knows their own risk tolerance better than I do and may assign a different number to any added risk that they perceive.

I'm not sure if all of these include a foundation or if they are "mattress only" or for a set. If you are comparing prices for anything other than mattress only to mattress only then the comparison wouldn't be comparing apples to apples. Anything that is added to the mattress purchase is part of its "value" including other services offered by each merchant and these would need to be compared separately from the mattresses themselves. I always prefer to compare each component separately (meaning mattress only to mattress only comparisons and then similar comparisons to any other extras that are included). This is a much more "accurate" way to compare the value of each mattresses.

I would also take into account that the Worlds Best Bed is the softest mattress they have and for many people it may be too soft for the best alignment once they sleep on it on a regular basis. For others it may be fine. Either way ... I would make sure I had specifically tested it for alignment and not just evaluated it's "comfort" which is a much more subjective and less accurate way to buy a mattress.

So hopefully this will give you some ideas about how to choose and compare so that you can better decide what to choose between some good options.

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European sleep works and Berkley Ergonimics 26 Jan 2013 04:57 #10

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Phoenix,

These are all mattresses only. I'm gonna use my Boxsprings from my temper Pedic they are only a couple years old.

I'm leaning towards foam sweet foam, but I again I am just worried with this online thing. How do I know I'm getting real natural latex? How do I know this latex wasn't a factory reject or a refurb? How do I know it wasn't used?

What are your thoughts on Flo Beds? I also looked at the 1300 by SleepEz.

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