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Re: Latex mattress in San Diego area 29 May 2013 00:44 #11

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Hello Phoenix, and everyone else on this forum.

I've been lurking and researching since I've been on the prowl for a mattress once again after recently moving.

Anyway, I've exhausted the list you posted along with other stores in the San Diego area and cannot seem to find a reputable factory direct manufacturer or retail store in the area.

I realize the list you provided is now almost 2yrs old and it seems much has changed since then in regards to a lot of these stores and what they carry. I definitely plan on updating this thread with a future post to help others navigate the hellish waters of mattress buying with my own personal experiences at each one of these stores.

There are 3 things that are hell to buy: a home, a car and a mattress. And I'd actually place the mattress in 2nd place because in most cases you can't comparison shop because the system is set up that way. To be crooked and not benefitting the consumer at all.

Anyway, after not being able to find a reputable factory direct manufacturer or store that sells quality off brands I may have to just settle for one of the name brands, Ahhhhhh!!! No!!!!!

It seems I really have no other choice. This is one of those few times where I wish I lived somewhere else.

Is there any other place in SD that someone can recommend that I might have missed?
And no I'm not interested in driving 2hrs to LA for a mattress, not to mention the delivery cost, ouch!

I want to be able to sleep in a real bed instead of my floor for change.

signed - In America's finest city but with no mattress :(

PS: I'm looking specifically for memory foam

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Re: Latex mattress in San Diego area 29 May 2013 16:53 #12

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Hi mattress buying Hell,

I realize the list you provided is now almost 2yrs old and it seems much has changed since then in regards to a lot of these stores and what they carry. I definitely plan on updating this thread with a future post to help others navigate the hellish waters of mattress buying with my own personal experiences at each one of these stores.


I'd certainly love to hear your feedback about your San Diego experiences and any updates that you think would be helpful but the San Diego list itself was last edited on March 27th of this year (I edit most of the forum lists as new information comes to light). The current list originates from a larger list of over 55 stores or manufacturers that I am aware of in the area based on research dating from July/2012 (the rest I wouldn't normally consider).

No matter how up to date a list may be though ... there can always be good options that I miss or aren't aware of and as you mention things can change quickly in the industry so feedback from the members here is always valuable which in turn can be used to update any of the lists on the forum and help those who follow. :)

The first criteria for any of the lists is that that a manufacturer or retailer is open and transparent about the type and quality of the materials in their mattresses or that the manufacturers of the brands they carry are more likely to have this information available (which usually excludes any retailer that only carries major brands).

There are many memory foam options and choices in the list so it's surprising to me that you would have run out of good options but if I was in the same position I would personally order a mattress from a reputable memory foam manufacturer online that had a good trial and exchange/refund policy so you could use your actual experience as a test period rather than considering a manufacturer where you have no idea of the quality or durability of what you would be purchasing or have any way to make meaningful comparisons with other mattresses. Of course my own preferences may be different from someone else but my last choice would be to make a blind purchase that used unknown materials for anything as important (or as costly) as a mattress.

In any case ... I'm looking forward to hearing about your experiences and your San Diego comments :)

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Re: Latex mattress in San Diego area 08 Jun 2013 20:09 #13

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I'll let the customer comments on Yelp and elsewhere speak for themselves on most of the ones on that list.

For the most part based on my experience, every single manufacturer on that list did not fit the description of reputable dealer, retailer, or manufacturer as defined by this website. And believe me, I tried them all!

None of them were like the manufacturers you have listed on this site. They could not tell me what is in their mattresses, same thing with the retailers. You were spot on with your description of they're more interested in telling stories or selling then telling what's actually in the mattress. Also, a lot of the brands you have listed that they carry, when asked they said they no longer carry them.

So I was not able to find a single one here in SD. I ended up buying a name brand at a discounted price because if they can't tell me what's in their mattresses, then what's the difference? Might as well go with a name brand with a good warranty that you can actually physically try out at a store. I'm sorry but I can't buy a mattress without trying it out and I wouldn't recommend anyone to do that either, especially when it's expensive, good quality or not. This is really not what I wanted which is why I posted here, hoping someone could give me a better option that I might have missed.

Again, in my case I was looking for memory foam and not latex, so maybe for latex it might be better but I really didn't see much difference their either.

Oh well, at least I'm sleeping on a bed and so far so good. We'll see how long this one lasts.

Thanks for the help and creating this site Phoenix! Lots of good info. here. Although I broke your number one rule I did end up learning quite a bit in the process. :)

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Re: Latex mattress in San Diego area 09 Jun 2013 01:19 #14

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Hi Mattress Buying Hell,

I'll let the customer comments on Yelp and elsewhere speak for themselves on most of the ones on that list.

For the most part based on my experience, every single manufacturer on that list did not fit the description of reputable dealer, retailer, or manufacturer as defined by this website. And believe me, I tried them all!


Your mattress shopping methods and criteria are certainly very different from mine or the methods I suggest in the "read first" post. I can also safely say that your research didn't include them all or even most of them that offer memory foam ... but each of us needs to decide on the type of research that we are most comfortable with :)

This is really not what I wanted which is why I posted here, hoping someone could give me a better option that I might have missed.


It certainly appears to me that you "missed" most of the better choices that are available to you but at least you are aware of the risks of your choice. While you certainly didn't make the best quality or value choice IMO ... at least it appears to 'fit" your personal value equation no matter what I or anyone else may think.

Even if there is almost nothing available in your area (and there are a few areas like that in the country) ... there are also ways of choosing an online mattress where you can test local mattresses that are close equivalents and that also have good options after a purchase if your choice isn't ideal for your needs and preferences which can greatly reduce the risk of an online purchase (and provide much better quality / value options).

In any case ... you made a choice you are happy with which in the end is the most important thing.

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Latex mattress in San Diego area 15 Jun 2013 19:03 #15

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We first looked at the big mattress stores for memory foam mattresses....then I started doing research here and SLTD. After trying a few, I think we prefer latex, as you sleep ON it, rather than IN it.

I'm in San Diego, so I found the Latex mattress in San Diego area (goo.gl/r10y1) thread. I looked up the yelp ratings of each place, and determined the best places to shop are:

Escondido Mattress Factory
Real Deal Furniture & Mattress
Al Davis Furniture and Mattress World

We are shopping for a California King mattress and I'm now more confused than ever!

First we went to Escondido Mattress Company and spoke with Rudy Koehl. He was VERY nice and NO pressure. They make their own mattresses, which are 6" all natural latex. We laid on a few, and they were ok. We were told that the mattresses should be rotated every month to month and a half. He also said that it was best on a box spring, not a solid base. His price was $1900 for the mattress or $2450 for the full set, including new box springs INCLUDING delivery and haul away.

Then we went to Real Deal Furniture & Mattress. Where we looked at the Pure Latex Bliss Talalay 8" Pamper. It felt really good. But the sales people told me it HAD to be on a solid base, and did NOT need to be rotated. Their price was $2999 plus $120 for delivery and haul away. They also said their price was negotiable....

Costco has a Sleep Science 9" Natural Latex Cal King Mattress for $3000 .
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I tried to look the mattress up on the manufacturers website: www.southbayinternational.com/, but I couldn't find it anywhere. The price also seems a bit on the high end.

I now need to call Al Davis Furniture and Mattress World and see what their pricing is on the PLB 8" Pamper.

But I was wondering if either of those prices are average, high, or low? Also if that was a good deal, or if I need to be asking other questions? Thanks!

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Latex mattress in San Diego area 15 Jun 2013 20:47 #16

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Hi lagreca,

In most cases an all latex mattress does best on a solid non flexing foundation with slats that are 3" or less apart but some manufacturers will use an active box spring or flexible slats under the mattress as part of the design of the sleeping system which will add some flex and give under the mattress. This generally works best with thinner mattresses because if they are too thick then the effect of the box spring or flexible slats is reduced or minimized. If you test a mattress with an active box spring or a flexible slat foundation and it works well for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, pressure relief, and personal preferences) then they should be purchased as a set because putting it on a non flexing foundation will change the feel and performance of the mattress.

The prices you are mentioning are on the high side and I typically use the prices for the online manufacturers listed in post #21 here as a "value reference". I would consider a "local premium" in the range of about 20% - 25% or so (in an apples to apples comparison) to be roughly "equivalent value" to make up for the higher risk of an online purchase that you can't test first. If the difference is more than that I would consider an online purchase more seriously depending on your comfort level with any additional risk of an online purchase and on the criteria of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

Out of the three local options you mentioned it appears to me that the Escondido Mattress Factory would be the better local value but of course "value" also depends on how well it matches your specific needs and preferences in terms of PPP and any options you have for making comfort adjustments if this becomes necessary.

The Costco Sleep Science 9" talalay latex mattress also seems quite high to me for an online purchase and many of the online manufacturers in the list I linked make a similar mattress with 9" of latex and a wool quilted cover at significantly lower prices and also offer more customized comfort and support options. In some cases they also provide the ability to re-arrange or exchange layers and change the comfort or support after you have slept on it if you make a choice that is less than your ideal. They will also provide you with much better guidance than the employees at Costco who usually have little knowledge of mattresses or how to make the most suitable choice.

When you are looking at latex mattresses the most important information is to know the thickness and type of latex in the layers (Talalay or Dunlop) and the blend of natural and synthetic rubber that was used to make it so you can make "'apples to apples" comparisons with other latex mattresses. The cover materials will also make a difference in the cost and unquilted stretch covers are typically less costly than covers that are quilted with wool (which is often used to pass the fire regulations and can improve the temperature regulation of the mattress although it may also slightly reduce the compression of the softer latex layers below it).

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Latex mattress in San Diego area 16 Jun 2013 10:28 #17

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First we went to Escondido Mattress Factory and spoke with Rudy Koehl. He was VERY nice and NO pressure. They make their own mattresses, which are 6" all natural latex. We laid on a few, and they were ok.


I totally get this as we experienced the same thing. I think the problem is that the big box manufacturers have taught us that a mattress should be fluffy with a fancy pillow top and we should feel like we're on a cloud. Of course whether this actually translates to a good night's sleep is up for debate. And the pillow top will probably wear down fast along with any cheap foam that was used along with the latex. Another problem is that we're accustomed to look at how beautiful the mattress is, which is why so much goes into the visual appeal of the mattress. The standard latex mattress with a bamboo/wool cover isn't going to look as fancy as you'll see at Macy's, etc.. It's hard to get beyond but you're just going to cover it up with sheets anyways.

Also for different places in San Diego, various queen latex mattress pricing can be found here .

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Latex mattress in San Diego area 16 Jun 2013 10:57 #18

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Hi stuart,

Thanks for the feedback ... and I agree with your thoughts completely.

I think that the single biggest mistake that most consumers make is choosing a mattress based on a more subjective feeling of initial comfort which often translates into a mattress purchase that is too soft (in either the support or comfort layers) and unsuitable for their needs in the longer term. There is at least one study which indicates that the odds of making a suitable choice based on the most common methods that people use to choose a mattress are less than random chance alone. This is compounded by the sales techniques used and the "highly managed environment" of many mattress showrooms where salespeople are easily able to manipulate what people feel in the short term on a mattress using various techniques.

The second biggest "mistake" is not finding out the specifics of the materials in the mattress so there is no way to identify any potential weak links in the mattress or make any meaningful comparisons in terms of durability and how long the comfort and support qualities of a mattress are likely to last. People tend to believe that the length of a warranty is an indicator of how long a mattress will last when it has very little to do with this and in most cases is just another marketing tool used to justify higher prices.

Thanks too for the San Diego pricing link. It makes some good relative comparisons. There are a few retailers or manufacturers missing and some of the comparisons are not quite "apples to apples" (I would be very careful about Ortho Mattress in particular whose "all latex" mattress is a Stearns & Foster and uses mostly synthetic latex and may not be all latex) but it certainly is a very useful guideline. Nice catch :)

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Latex mattress in San Diego area 20 Jun 2013 10:44 #19

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First we went to Escondido Mattress Factory and spoke with Rudy Koehl. He was VERY nice and NO pressure. They make their own mattresses, which are 6" all natural latex. We laid on a few, and they were ok.


I totally get this as we experienced the same thing. I think the problem is that the big box manufacturers have taught us that a mattress should be fluffy with a fancy pillow top and we should feel like we're on a cloud. Of course whether this actually translates to a good night's sleep is up for debate. And the pillow top will probably wear down fast along with any cheap foam that was used along with the latex. Another problem is that we're accustomed to look at how beautiful the mattress is, which is why so much goes into the visual appeal of the mattress. The standard latex mattress with a bamboo/wool cover isn't going to look as fancy as you'll see at Macy's, etc.. It's hard to get beyond but you're just going to cover it up with sheets anyways.

Also for different places in San Diego, various queen latex mattress pricing can be found here
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Stuart, I couldn't agree with you more. In 2007 I visited the Escondido Mattress Company and looked at their latex mattresses. I was underwhelmed. I was considering a Sealy Spring Free Whistlewood latex, you see. 16 inches thick and lots of hype for $2500. Sadly, i bought the Sealy. Almost immediately I had back pains. The bed was so soft that I sunk in quite a bit, and the impression took days to go away. I started sleeping on the guest room mattress, which was over 10 years old. Fast forward to 2013--I had so much back pain I went back to Escondido mattress factory. I wound up with the 6 in latex firm, an my back couldn't be happier.

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Latex mattress in San Diego area 26 Aug 2013 15:17 #20

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I put our mattress shopping on hold for a while, but have returned...

I called Real Deal Furniture & Mattress in San Diego this morning and they agreed to sell me the Pure Latex Bliss Talalay 8" Pamper with base in a Cal King size for $2200, including a mattress protector IF I paid in CASH, no credit card.

I called Pure Latex Bliss and asked them the specs of that mattress, and this is what Maureen (she spoke very highly of you and this forum) told me:

2" pressure relief ild: 21
6" base ild: 40

I was wondering if you thought this was a quality mattress, at a reasonable price? Thanks!

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