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How to look for and find the best mattress ... for YOU! ***READ FIRST*** 04 Feb 2013 13:00 #31

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Dear Phoenix-

What a great service you provide and it is only by chance that I stumbled upon you last night- My husband and I are sleeping on a traditional pillow top plush king that we bought at a mattress store in the philadelphia/wilmington area 5 years ago- the mattress has worn poorly and is uneven now and sagging and both of us have lumbar/hip issues and are stiff and in pain when first getting out of bed. Sleeping on firmer mattresses and awakening without pain has prompted us to buy a new set. (too firm is not great either) We have a Relax the Back store near us and discovered the Technogel Estasi + Mattress and really liked that, though as I have been reading it seems that only the top 1" is gel and the rest is foam (not sure what type). We have steered away from all the mattress giants etc since it is hard to know what you are really getting. Then we also went to Bloomingdales since they have a good return/buyback policy, and we tested the Kluft mattresses. The 2 mattresses that were most comfortable to us after much testing was the Rafael Latex and the Alexander Signature. The Alexander is quite expensive and I was wondering what your thoughts are about either the technogel or Rafael Latex, or if there is anything similar in our area you would recommend trying- we are not adverse to spendng for a good mattress but also want to make sure we are getting something of quality and durability. Thank you for your time, Penelope

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How to look for and find the best mattress ... for YOU! ***READ FIRST*** 04 Feb 2013 20:00 #32

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Hi penelope,

You've probably read this but just in case ... the first place I would start is post #1 here along with the information it links to which will give you the basic information that will help the most.

We have a Relax the Back store near us and discovered the Technogel Estasi + Mattress and really liked that, though as I have been reading it seems that only the top 1" is gel and the rest is foam (not sure what type).


As far as I know the specs of the Estasi + (this was sent to me by a forum member who emailed them directly) are as follows ...

1” Technogel
2” 3lb 11ILD Memory Foam
8” 1.85 24ILD Polyfoam

While the gel itself is a very dense material and very high quality and will help to extend the life of the foams below it ... I would be wary of any mattress that had 2" of 3 lb memory foam (low density) in the top 3" of the mattress ... and I would be especially wary in higher price ranges.

The 2 mattresses that were most comfortable to us after much testing was the Rafael Latex and the Alexander Signature. The Alexander is quite expensive and I was wondering what your thoughts are about either the technogel or Rafael Latex,


In order to make any assessment of a mattress or identify any potential weak links I would need to know the details of all the layers of the mattress. The willingness and ability to provide this is one of the most reliable signs of a better retailer and without this there is no way to assess the quality, value of the mattress or make meaningful comparisons with other mattresses.

Post #2 here has a few details about the Rafael and the "missing layers" in the description and my thoughts about it.

The better options and "possibilities" I'm aware of in the Philadelphia / Wilmington area are listed in post #4 here . No matter where you shop ... it's always important to make sure that the retailer you are dealing with is both willing and able to provide you with all the information you will need about any mattress you are considering so you can make meaningful comparisons and good choices.

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How to look for and find the best mattress ... for YOU! ***READ FIRST*** 04 Feb 2013 20:24 #33

Phoenix, your help is much appreciated.

I will consider the floor model of Eco Rest and go back to try again. Do you know what is the density # of the 6" latex in this mattress?And wonder if it would work well adding a latex topper while this mattress has a thick layer of wool on top?

Thank you.

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How to look for and find the best mattress ... for YOU! ***READ FIRST*** 05 Feb 2013 02:39 #34

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Hi hubbs,

I don't know the density (or ILD) of the latex but this isn't important to know anyway when you are testing a mattress locally where your body will tell you all you need to know about the comfort (pressure relief) and support (spinal alignment) of a mattress.

The Eco Rest would be fine for adding a topper but of course you would lose some of the benefits of sleeping on the wool quilting which is very temperature regulating. The wool will compress evenly with a topper and would slightly reduce the amount that the lower layer of latex compressed with weight (it would be a bit more supportive under weight).

I would also keep in mind that if you buy a mattress with the idea of adding a topper when you haven't personally tested the combination, it can introduce a variable which may need some trial and error to get it right. It's always better if possible to test the specific combination you plan to sleep on in person rather than just part of it. If a mattress is close to your needs and preferences and just needs some "fine tuning" then this is much simpler than a more drastic change to a mattress that isn't nearly as close to what you want by itself.

I think that there is real "value" in testing what you actually plan to sleep on.

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How to look for and find the best mattress ... for YOU! ***READ FIRST*** 16 Feb 2013 18:48 #35

I am hoping you can help me out. I have been through 6 beds in 6 months. I have been on a Skyline model Serta for about 6 years- and wanted to duplicate it. I purchased a Serta D Sogno Firm and it is awful-they no longer make the Syline which is a continuous coil with Euro Top. While visiting a friend in California, I slept on her old Tempurpedic in the guest room and loved It! I have a moderate case of scoliosis in upper back, plus lower vertebra disk issues, have avoided surgery through yoga and exercise. I am 5'5 135-140lbs. I purchased a Tempurpedic Contour which was way too firm- hurt my hips. Then exchanged for Cloud Supreme- way too soft- disc going out in mid back. (Princess and the pea?)No more exchanges allowed with Tempurpedic, so purchased the D Sogno, which I am going to sell or return as I wake up aching all over from it. The problem is I dont know if the beds are too firm or too soft- I love the feel of a firm bed with soft top, and also like good memory foam. My sister recommended Dixie Foam in NYC, and I am thinking their Thermopedic Model- stats below. Have you heard of them--they make beds onsite which I like, and what do think of this description...any suggestions appreciated as to a different Tempurpedic model you may know of or the one below from Dixie: Or any help as to what I should e looking for in a bed with my specific back issues:

Thermopedic::

Popular for its responsiveness to temperature and weight, this mattress utilizes the latest in foam bedding technology. The combination of a 3" layer of creamy-soft Visco-Elastic Memory Foam atop a 5.5" base of medium firm Hi-Resilience Carbamate makes for a blissful night's sleep.
Thank you SO MUCH for a reply.

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How to look for and find the best mattress ... for YOU! ***READ FIRST*** 16 Feb 2013 21:08 #36

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Hi Mamie,

In case you haven't read it already, I think the first place I would start is the first post in this very thread which will give you all the basic information you need to help you make some very good choices (and eliminate the worse ones like Serta and Tempurpedic).

My sister recommended Dixie Foam in NYC, and I am thinking their Thermopedic Model- stats below. Have you heard of them--they make beds onsite which I like, and what do think of this description...any suggestions appreciated as to a different Tempurpedic model you may know of or the one below from Dixie: Or any help as to what I should e looking for in a bed with my specific back issues:


Not only have I heard of them but I think highly of Mark and the quality and value of the mattresses he builds.

Some of the better options and possibilities in the NYC area are listed in post #2 here (and post #7 here has a more categorized list with more details about some of them) and Dixie Foam is certainly one of the best options on the list in terms of the quality, value, and service they provide.

A forum search on Dixie Foam (you can just click this) will bring up more forum posts and information about them.

Connecting with local "experts" in combination with good testing is always the best way to choose a mattress that relieves your pressure and keeps you in good alignment in all your sleeping positions (which are the two basic functions of a mattress ) which is especially important for anyone with back issues.

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How to look for and find the best mattress ... for YOU! ***READ FIRST*** 17 Feb 2013 12:13 #37

Phoenix,Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. This is the first time I have been able to get "real" information on what is inside a mattress-you would think it would be simple! I am sold on Dixie Foam but the issue is that I actually live in Maine and would be ordering online without being able to try something out. My questions re two-fold:
1. Do you know of a similar place in Maine, NH or even Massacchusetts (4 hours away) that offers hi-quality and value? If there is nothing comparable, a drive to NY would be worth the trip to find a good solution
2. I have read much of your great information on the layers of a mattress and their functionailty. I still feel that sometimes, you can pick what you think are the right support and comfort combinations for your partuclar body, and there is still discomfort. I like memory foam for its "comformabiity", as it is able to adjust around my hip area so that I dont end up with pelvic tilt during the night creating back pain in the morning.Then again too much comfort layering in the top layer can be non-supportive, and causes some of my discs to slip a bit. Too much "firmness" in the support core layer causes hip and shoulder pain-I imagine from pressure points. I am 58 years old, moderate scoliosis, side sleeper primarily, lower back disc issues, sole user of bed, 5'5" 140 lbs. I dont love Latex (have a Latex International Talatech (I think it is Talalay) pillow - dont love the "bouncy" feel). I am thinking I need a max of 2" memory foam support over ???. Not sure about support layer
Dixie Foam has "High-resilience carbamate" as support- are you famiiar wioth this foam?

Again, thank you for any help.

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How to look for and find the best mattress ... for YOU! ***READ FIRST*** 17 Feb 2013 13:51 #38

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I dont love Latex (have a Latex International Talatech (I think it is Talalay) pillow - dont love the "bouncy" feel).


If you haven't yet, I encourage you to lay on some latex mattress. I have a LI Talatech pillow and a blended Talalay latex mattress. I love the mattress; I really don't like the pillow. They feel nothing alike. The pillow is dense latex and has that bouncy feel you dislike. The upper layers of the mattress are soft, comfortable and not at all bouncy. I also have an Ultimate Dreams shredded Talalay latex pillow that is my favorite since it's soft like the mattress, and an all-natural Talalay latex pillow that's so dense and bouncy that it's even worse than the LI pillow...you could bounce a bowling ball off of it. ;-)

So there are many types and feels of latex. If you're near Barrington or Hampton, NH, you can try out some Pure Latex Bliss mattresses at Hubbington's Furniture to experience a range of how those latex mattresses can feel.

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How to look for and find the best mattress ... for YOU! ***READ FIRST*** 17 Feb 2013 15:31 #39

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Hi Mamie,

I think the choice of materials is a personal preference although and as danielrhall mentioned a latex pillow can be very different animal from a latex mattress and there are also many different types of latex mattresses (just like other types of mattress) in every part of the firmness/softness range.

Post #2 here links to various lists around the forum that are probably the ones that are closest to you.

Good local testing that is as objective as possible ... particularly with some good guidance ... will give you the best odds of choosing a mattress that is the best "match" for you. Of course nothing is foolproof but accurate testing tilts the odds of making good choices much more heavily in your favor.

The Carbamate that Dixie foam sells is an HR polyurethane foam and is a high quality foam.

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How to look for and find the best mattress ... for YOU! ***READ FIRST*** 19 Feb 2013 19:42 #40

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Hi Phoenix:

Just found your site after a week of mattress shopping and research.
Really like the feel of foam and was vascillating between Serta iComfort and BedinaBox when I found your site.
Which has led me to think I should go to the local manufacturer. I'm in Minneapolis, so that would be original mattress factory, I think. Are they are your list? Is there anyone else here you recommend?
Also one thing I disliked about the Serta: it is uncomfortable for sitting, which I like to do in bed. Is that true for all foam beds or just the Serta?

Thanks in advance for your help.

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