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New here and would love some feedback 23 Sep 2012 12:12 #1

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wish i found this site sooner.....My husband has been a waterbed owner, and loves it, for 21 yrs.. i have had to sleep on it for 15yrs... I couldnt take it much more and he saw that and decided to sell it and find a bed we both like....waterbed was 90% waveless, but my hips and back killed me.. He misses it ....sold it and in mean time went to mattress factory store near where we live....springfield, PA 19018.....tons of mattresses and all top brand names...then we went to sleep number store he wanted to try out sleep number bed....He has a thing about beds with coils/springs..I tell him they dont make beds like they did 25yrs ago....so needless to say he liked sleep number bed...queen with dual chambers the i10 series...top of the line and price to go with it.....after 2wks, even after the 1st week we didnt like it...even thru the foam etc still feel the firmness setting of canvas air bed, to some degree.....decided to return it, but have to keep for 30 nites then return it....they say it takes some time for folks to adjust to sleeping better on these beds, tempurpedic beds too, muscles arent use to the real natural way of supporting your back, hips and shoulders...

in the meantime we went to sleepys and cking out the tempurpedic beds....I love the cloud line, supreme and luxe seem so soft in the store and pillowy....He liked the new weightless supreme, a bit firmer with more bounce......we decided to give that a try, id rather the softer cloud line.....before leaving the store we saw this my side bed....layed on the trial bed and then came up with me in the blue, softer and husband in red, firmer......but read some things here stating do not buy those beds, they are not worth the 3600 bucs and made cheap, even though a lifetime warranty...........

well after sleeping on this queen tempurpedic weightless supreme, i was so uncomfortable, hip pain and backache its ridiculous...husband said the sleep number felt worse, but i actually felt opposite....at least sleep number wasnt that firm.....granted we know the tempur beds in 65 degrees or less get a bit firmer, but once you lay on it and move around the cells open it and itll conform to you and body temp......

i suggested we get 2 twin beds on a king frame, he can get a waterbed again, softside, which looks like a reg mattress, and i can find what i like....he doesnt seem to grasp that idea that we can both be happy , or its strange ....a mattress is a big decision to make and hard one at that............

consumer reports say to lay on it just like at home for 15 min or so...and your 1st nite sleeping on it you will know if its right for you same as in the store....

sleepys policy allows you to return completely and get money back, or exchange for ANY BED, lower or higher priced. and its within a 21 day time frame...and can do that til you find bed for you....we are financing this tempur bed...

I dont know, i dont like having to give the bed time with trial nites, that these 2 companies offer you...it takes time for you to adjust to it..well, tell my hips and back that.....

Seems the beds in the stores feel different then new one you get delivered....one in store didnt feel as firm as this one, and i cked to make sure it was right mattress, it is....

does anyone here at all, have any suggestions or recommendations to help guide me/us??

im 175 5'6 with needing hip and back relief.........husband is 6ft about 200 lbs and as i said slept on a waterbed that wasnt real wavy for 21 yrs...he feels like he likes a bed in the store, then sleeps on it here and doesnt like it, (sleep number bed) this tempur weightless supreme he felt feels better then sleep number, but its still firmer then one we tried in store.......any help here???

thanks so much

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Re: New here and would love some feedback 23 Sep 2012 12:27 #2

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If you have not already done so, take the time to read Phoenix's 'manual' on mattresses and his 5 steps to a perfect mattress.

IMHO, you nned to invest the time to educate yourself, and then you need to take the time to develop the personal experiece to allow you to make an informed choice. The 'manual' can be found by clicking on the "Mattresses" tab in the grey bar on the upper part of the home page.

Happy hunting. Don't quit early by trying to make a premature decision. Work the 5-step process. Only you can make the decisions, and you can only make good decisions if you have informed yourself first.

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Re: New here and would love some feedback 23 Sep 2012 15:18 #3

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thanks..i just read all the topics in the overviews...very interesting and very informative...im visualizing a bed as i read thru it all.....at this point in time, i have a sleep number bed that is in a spare room waiting for techs to come get it in early OCTOBER, and a new tempurpedic bed we got yesterday in my room, in which i have 14 days to tell them at sleepys, we dont want...so in the meantime, we have to find a bed thats right for us BOTH in that timeframe...where are these specialty stores or stores that may have these OFF BRANDS and more helpful knowledgeable people??? im in 19018 zip code

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Re: New here and would love some feedback 23 Sep 2012 18:00 #4

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Hi nancy361,

First of all I would echo 70sleeper's suggestion and I'm glad to see you've read the overviews. :)

There are also some guidelines in post #10 here which may also be helpful (if nothing else they can help you avoid or eliminate most of the worst quality/value choices).

Before I considered an airbed I would also read this article .

Philadelphia is dominated by large chains such as Sleepys, Americas Mattress and others and quite frankly I wouldn't walk through their front door even to test mattresses much less buy one. They just won't provide you with the information you will need about the major brands they carry to make good choices or in some cases to even know the material you are sleeping on. Some of the better options or at least "possibilities" that I'm aware of in the Philadelphia area though are in post #4 here .

Hope this helps

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Re: New here and would love some feedback 23 Sep 2012 19:45 #5

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Thanks for the responses...I typed a cpl of reply's but they didnt go thru.. seems i was timed out...hahaha
Phoenix you are very knowledgeable and i thank you for that...I wish i saw this site beforehand...thankfully we can return with no fees the sleep number bed, AND this bed we just bought from sleepys that i said in my orig post.. within 21 days can return for full refund or exchange for any other bed, more exp or cheaper....I ask lots of questions and not an easy person to sell things to...very skeptical and i try to learn a bit about whatever big purchase we get...

My big thing is why they say people have to adjust to those 2 type beds that offer the 30 nite trials....why do we have to adjust?? my body felt the bed we got yesterday felt too firm...i have to give it time and let the cells in foam open and then the smell goes away and bed gets more softer, so they say.. the cloud line is what i like. the cloud supreme and luxe are soft. thats what i like a bed that i get cozy and snuggle into.. a waterbed and these beds now, dont offer that.. sleep number had lots of comfy foam but then airbed feeling under it i could feel and it was firm, i didnt like that... i get pressure on my hips and then not the right support for my back....i just want to feel comfy and have it give where its suppose to and support me where i need it.....That mattress factory VERLO is minutes away from me. im going to ck that place out and hope we can find a bed we BOTH like and its not too expensive...you said by buying from these factories, price may be cheaper then chain stores etc... hopefully thats so...

it amazes me how my husband who loved his waterbed seems to like this weightless supreme tempur-pedic bed. although it was only 1 nite.. He says he wants to give himself a chance to adjust to it.....so see?? our bodies and muscles are so used to what we sleep on, that when you try a new bed whether its no good or is great, i guess people have to adjust... Or is this false? consumer reports tells us after lying on a bed for 15 min or so, we will know what feels good and the 1st nite on it wont feel any different then it did in the store....doesnt sound so true....buying a bed is a big and important investment for us personally, so i hope this time around we can find one thatll work for us, at this VERLO factory

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Re: New here and would love some feedback 23 Sep 2012 21:42 #6

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Hi nancy361,

My big thing is why they say people have to adjust to those 2 type beds that offer the 30 nite trials....why do we have to adjust??

our bodies and muscles are so used to what we sleep on, that when you try a new bed whether its no good or is great, i guess people have to adjust... Or is this false? consumer reports tells us after lying on a bed for 15 min or so, we will know what feels good and the 1st nite on it wont feel any different then it did in the store....doesnt sound so true....buying a bed is a big and important investment for us personally, so i hope this time around we can find one thatll work for us, at this VERLO factory


Our bodies gradually become accustomed to the mattress we are sleeping on and develops a "sleeping memory" (for better or for worse). This is like someone who usually stands or sits with poor posture and the muscles, tendons, and ligaments either stretch or tighten in a non neutral position and it can be uncomfortable for them to stand or sit with a good posture even though it may prevent other issues in the long term. The bigger a difference there is between your old mattress and the new one ... the more of an adjustment there may be ... even if the new mattress is better in terms of the alignment it provides.

There is more about this in post #7 here .

There's a saying that comfort (pressure relief) is what you feel when you go to bed at night and support (alignment) is what you feel when you wake up in the morning. Alignment issues can take longer to become apparent (sleeping out of alignment can lead to back pain as an example but not always right away) ... and this is the part that can take some "adjustment" as the muscles and joints loosen and become more used to a more aligned sleeping position assuming of course that the mattress you purchased is suitable in terms of PPP (Pressure relief, Posture and alignment, and Personal preferences).

I should also mention that most mattresses will also go through an initial "break in" period over the first few weeks where the foam softens at a more rapid rate and then further softening becomes much more gradual after that. This is why some mattresses on the showroom floor may be softer (more broken in) than the one that people receive when they order it. Tempurpedic mattresses can actually take longer than normal to "break in" and go through the initial softening and it can sometimes even help to walk on the surface of the mattress to help it along.

That mattress factory VERLO is minutes away from me. im going to ck that place out and hope we can find a bed we BOTH like and its not too expensive...you said by buying from these factories, price may be cheaper then chain stores etc... hopefully thats so...


A factory direct manufacturer will generally be a lower cost and better value in an apples to apples comparison yes. It may not be cheaper than another mattress that uses much lower quality materials though so when comparing prices it's important to compare mattresses that use similar types and quality of materials and layering. In other words ... the "value" will generally be better in every price range than the mainstream manufacturers and chain stores but they will still have lower and higher priced mattresses.

buying a bed is a big and important investment for us personally, so i hope this time around we can find one thatll work for us, at this VERLO factory


A mattress is one of the most important purchases we make and has a bigger effect on our overall wellbeing for a decade or so than almost anything else we can buy. This is why it can be so helpful to "connect" with a manufacturer or salesperson that has the experience and knowledge to really help us make the best decision and isn't so focused on selling us whatever they can (usually based on a subjective showroom feel that may not translate into what we need or prefer when we sleep on a mattress in the longer term) for the sake of their commission or profit margin. The better salespeople put their customers interests (and "fitting" them to a mattress that is most suitable to their needs and preferences) above their own interests. This is how they build word of mouth advertising and their local reputation which is how most people find out about them more than the massive advertising that is done by the larger companies.

Phoenix

PS: I added a few other "possibilities" to the Philadelphia list but they will mostly require some more research (along the lines of this article ) to find out the types of mattresses they carry from the manufacturers listed and to find out how knowledgeable and transparent they are about the materials and construction of their mattresses.
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Re: New here and would love some feedback 24 Sep 2012 09:43 #7

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thanks for the info,,,,I figured our bodies had to adjust but not the extreme...People dont want to buy a bed and be sore for days or wks til body gets used to the bed....

what are your thoughts on the tempur beds?? im calling today to get this bed out of her. Then we will go ck out the beds at verlo....

Are there any brand of beds that have a good rep. that anyone can tell me about?

Im definitely needing a comfort level thats pillowy so i can sink into the bed, not lay on top of it....but yes id also want a bed that doesnt let me sink down further then i should...and it makes sense to know how a bed is made and what types of material are used to get the best bed for me....too bad i cant make my husband understand all ive been reading here and grasp the concept.............again he says he wish he still had his waterbed and i got my own bed and put it in the spare room....Not like i want to wake up feeling sore, i cant help the way i feel.....

i suggested we both get twin mattress and put them on a king frame, so we can get what we both like and be happy.. he thinks its a dumb idea and worries that whatll happen if we roll to the middle.. i say nothing will happen.......

oh well.. we will keep looking

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Re: New here and would love some feedback 24 Sep 2012 14:20 #8

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I took the tempur bed out of my room and put in spare room...called sleepys and of course they give you the run around.. But it didnt work with me...come and get it out of here....too hard for me.....sleeping on the sleep number bed again, until they come abd get that in early october....didnt care for it, but its better then the tempur bed....

have you ever heard of the mattress experts in delaware? themattressexperts.com

i saw that from on this website somewhere. they are a small shop, but they seem to carry the name brands, that you suggested to steer away from...they talk about buying from smaller shops and how beds are made etc too, i was just wondering why they carry the name brands....has anyone ever heard of them or used them??

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Re: New here and would love some feedback 24 Sep 2012 14:38 #9

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Hi nancy361,

thanks for the info,,,,I figured our bodies had to adjust but not the extreme...People dont want to buy a bed and be sore for days or wks til body gets used to the bed....


I certainly agree with this :)

If the new mattress is appropriate for your body type and sleeping positions and you are "adjusting" to a mattress that has better support and alignment compared to the mattress that you are replacing then that may be worth it but if the new mattress is not appropriate for your body type and sleeping positions and the "adjustment" is because you are now sleeping out of alignment or the mattress is not appropriate for your needs and preferences ... then this is not so good and could contribute to longer term issues.

Are there any brand of beds that have a good rep. that anyone can tell me about?


No ... brands are not important because it's the materials in the mattress and it's construction that determines how well a mattress will perform for your unique needs and preferences. You can read a bit more about "brand shopping" in this article and also the first article on the front page of the site. Any manufacturer can make a mattress out of any materials they choose. Having said that ... this article may help you avoid most of the worst choices in terms of brands or manufacturers that are known to use lower quality materials (or even worse not tell you at all what is in the mattress) or charge higher prices in every budget range of their mattresses in an apples to apples comparison. In general ... you are always better off by looking at mattresses that are made by smaller independent manufacturers (what the larger brands call "off brands" who don't advertise as much if at all and which are sold either factory direct or through better sleep shops. They are the source of the best quality and value you will find. Post #10 here will give you a step by step process that will greatly improve your odds of finding the best possible quality and value in a mattress and finding the manufacturers and retailers in your area that have the knowledge and experience to help you make the most suitable choices no matter what your budget.

Some of the manufacturers and retailers that are among the best quality and value in the country have been invited to become members here (you can see them here ) but there are many others that exist across the country that are not members yet who have been making exceptionally high quality mattresses with great value for generations but are often lost in the "noise" of advertising by major brands and mass market outlets.

what are your thoughts on the tempur beds?? im calling today to get this bed out of her.


The short version is mostly good quality (with a few exceptions like the Simplicity line) but very poor value. There are many manufacturers who make mattresses with similar or better quality materials that are an "apples to apples" comparison that sell for significantly less. They are among the major brands I would avoid. You can read more about my thoughts about Tempurpedic in this thread and in post #10 here .

Im definitely needing a comfort level thats pillowy so i can sink into the bed, not lay on top of it....but yes id also want a bed that doesnt let me sink down further then i should...and it makes sense to know how a bed is made and what types of material are used to get the best bed for me....too bad i cant make my husband understand all ive been reading here and grasp the concept.............again he says he wish he still had his waterbed and i got my own bed and put it in the spare room....Not like i want to wake up feeling sore, i cant help the way i feel.....


The balance between the contradictory demands of "comfort" (pressure relief) and support (alignment) is of course the main challenge in choosing a mattress. The help and guidance of a salesperson with integrity, knowledge, and experience can be a huge help in making good choices. This is why it is usually more important to find the best outlets in your area before you start trying to find the best mattress. The goal is to just learn enough of the basics (the overviews are good for this) so you can ask better questions and know who is giving you good information and can help you find the experts rather than needing to become one yourself (although even reading the overviews will often give you more knowledge than many people who sell mattresses).

i suggested we both get twin mattress and put them on a king frame, so we can get what we both like and be happy.. he thinks its a dumb idea and worries that whatll happen if we roll to the middle.. i say nothing will happen.......


There are several good options in terms of couples that have different needs and preferences. One is as you suggested (two twin XL mattresses making up a King size), one is the many mattressses that are available that have "split" layers (where each side is constructed differently), and one is certain designs that because of how they are layered can accommodate different weights and shapes on the same mattress. Twin mattresses would actually lower the possibility of "roll together" not increase it because each side would act independently of the other and the heavier person wouldn't be creating an impression that the other one may tend to roll into.

Hope this helps

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Re: New here and would love some feedback 24 Sep 2012 14:57 #10

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yes it did help, thanks again....I think what i was meaning when i asked about brands and which was better, was i was thinking about is there any bed or company that stands out more then the rest for better quality in how its made.....

from things you have stated on this site, its all very individual.. I read where some pillowtops were too pillowy and maybe not good...the salesman in sleepsys says he doesnt recommend pillowtops for adults, mainly just kids....whats the big difference when words like PLUSH and pillowy are discussed?? i think of plush as more the feeling of the fabric when i rub my hands on it, and pillowy as the fluffiness or thick padding.is this accurate?

have you heard of the the mattress experts in delaware?

as for the tempur bed...i dont think it was right fit for me....I go to bed and toss and turn and still have the smell that comes with it and get alll stuffy.....whats funny is when i put the sleep number bed back in my room and got it all together, i thought to myself, its not a bad idea they have here...the base is solid and you can see how its all made and all the materials and foams etc as well as the material topper, which has that cool feel to it....yes its canvas airbed that fills with air, but the bed we layed in to get our personal fit number that showed the pressure points in the graph, that bed was the original one im guessing.. not the ones that are thick and padded and so when its filling and contouring to your body, from what the picture graph showed me i could see the pressure points getting more relieved as it filled around my shape then i decide when to stop it so it doesnt feel uncomfortable on my back....so its like with out bed the i10 its a lot more thicker then the bed they use to show you how it works and i wonder if that has anything to do with it......like i said, dont think its a bad idea, just not sure of the support part of it as an airbed and how its suppose to cradle you and definitely doesnt justify the price at all........

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