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Please recommend local manufacturer, factory direct or reliable mattress near Roanoke, VA 11 Sep 2012 19:41 #1

Phoenix:
Could you recommend a local manufacturer or factory direct mattress store in or near Roanoke, VA? If not, I'm willing to travel if I need to. There is a Sleep Essentials mattress store that sells latex mattresses here, but I am sorry to say, I went there twice to try them, but they feel to jiggly/soft for me. We currently have a Simmons Beauty Rest that I would love to get rid of, we purchased from Mattress Warehouse. We also have Grand Home Furnishings that sell Shifman mattresses. What is your thought on this mattress? Any reliable mattress/store you could recommend, I would sincerely appreciate.
Ginger

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Re: Please recommend local manufacturer, factory direct or reliable mattress near Roanoke, VA 12 Sep 2012 01:00 #2

Hi Ginger,

The only factory direct in or around the Roanoke area that I'm aware of is Sleep Essentials and of course you've already been there. I must say though that I'm somewhat surprised that you found all their mattresses "squishy" because they have some firm latex mattresses in their lineup (40 ILD core and 30 ILD comfort layer) which most people would find too firm.

We currently have a Simmons Beauty Rest that I would love to get rid of, we purchased from Mattress Warehouse. We also have Grand Home Furnishings that sell Shifman mattresses. What is your thought on this mattress?


A mattress is only as good as the materials that are in it so without the layering information there is no way to know it's real quality. I can tell you though that the Simmons Beauty rest mattresses have a lot of lower density polyfoam in the layering and like all the major brands are poor value compared to more open and transparent independent manufacturers who use higher quality materials and sell for lower prices. Lower quality materials, including lower density polyfoam, can be quite comfortable in a showroom ... they just don't keep their original qualities of comfort and support for nearly as long as a mattress that uses higher quality materials and components. The biggest issue with the major brands is not usually the support layers or innersprings but the soft and low density/quality foams that are used in the comfort layers which are the "weak link" of these mattresses.

The same general rule would hold true for Shifman. To make an accurate assessment or comparison of any of their models you would need to know the details of the layering, components, and construction inside the mattress you were looking at. They make some high quality mattresses that use natural materials (such as cotton) "old style" hand building methods (such as 8 way hand tied boxsprings and hand tufting) and some lower quality mattresses with lower quality materials including polyfoam in them. They are all two sided which is a durability bonus but I would question their overall "value".

In general ... the brand label on a mattress means little unless you know of a particular manufacturer that wants you to know the materials they use and want you to make meaningful comparisons with other mattresses. These types of manufacturers are mostly local or smaller independent brands that you won't see advertised and are usually (although not always) available more locally or regionally. These are the sources of most of the best quality and value in the country.

There are not a lot of great options in the Roanoke area and it appears that one of the best that are there doesn't make mattresses that you particularly like.

Some of the other options that may be worthwhile including in your research are in post #3 here (Lynchburg/Charlottesville area), Post #5 here (Alta Vista and surrounding area), and post #2 here includes some smaller manufacturers in the High Point, NC area.

Some of these involve some travel so I would tend to talk to the ones that interest you on the phone first about the types of mattresses that may interest you (I would use local stores to find out the general types of mattresses and materials you prefer) and ask some questions along the lines of this article to make sure they are worth a visit.

If I have a chance I'll take a look more locally in Roanoke to see if there is anything that stands out as promising other than what is listed and post them here if I do.

Phoenix
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Re: Please recommend local manufacturer, factory direct or reliable mattress near Roanoke, VA 12 Sep 2012 15:39 #3

Thank you very much for all the information. I had my mind all set on a latex mattress, everything I read about latex was positive but when I layed on the mattresses I felt like I sank too far down into it.

I saw on one of the websites you recommended, there are some latex mattresses that are made with coils, maybe that would be something I should try. If you run across anything else, please let me know and thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions.

Ginger

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Re: Please recommend local manufacturer, factory direct or reliable mattress near Roanoke, VA 12 Sep 2012 16:50 #4

Thank you very much for all the information. I had my mind all set on a latex mattress, everything I read about latex was positive but when I layed on the mattresses I felt like I sank too far down into it.


Ginger - Don't give up on latex just yet. I have laid on latex that you don't sink into at all. And yes, some was like laying on melted butter! That's why Phoenix mentioned how important it is to understand what you are laying on at every layer. Good luck in your hunt!

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Re: Please recommend local manufacturer, factory direct or reliable mattress near Roanoke, VA 12 Sep 2012 22:37 #5

Hi Overcomer,

I spent a fair bit of the day looking at websites and talking with various outlets in and around the Roanoke, VA to Christiansburg, VA area and while of course a single conversation can't tell you everything you may want to know about mattresses they carry or the retailer ... there are clearly some better options and more knowledgeable people in the area. Here are the results (including some you may already know about but are included here for the sake of others from the area who may read this). With the ones I talked with I included some comments while with others I only included the brands that I would include in my research that have better odds of having better value. There are many that I excluded outright because they don't appear to carry brands where the chances are better of ending up with good quality/value. Always make sure with a phone call first that they are able and/or willing to provide layer information for any mattresses you may be interested in. ...

www.perfectlatexmattress.com/ or sleepessentials.com/ Factory direct manufacturer in Roanoke and Henrico, VA. I have talked with them on several occasions and in general think highly of them although I would take some of the information on their videos with a grain of salt because some of it is somewhat inaccurate or misleading.. They make a range of latex mattresses with a variety of layering combinations and they are very knowledgeable about the mattresses they make. They are among the better local values and they also allow their customers to buy a mattress without fire retardant layers with a prescription (which they can help with). Good people although I would take some of the information on their videos with a grain of salt because some of it is somewhat inaccurate or misleading.

www.manta.com/c/mbywnfm/mattress-wholesalers-of-roanoke Roanoke, VA. Park Place (King Koil) memory foam/innerspring, Bed Boss (memory foam). I talked with them and they are knowledgeable and committed to helping their customers find the best quality/value and will provide meaningful information to the degree eir manufacturers make possible. No website.

www.vafurnituremarket.com/ Rocky Mount, VA. Park Place (gel), Restonic, and Imperial (which is a smaller manufacturer that makes some very good quality two sided innerspring mattresses). Are also knowledgeable and as open about their mattresses and the materials in them as their manufacturers information allows them to be.

www.mainlymattresses.com/ Retailer in Christiansburg and Floyd, VA. Carries Savvy Rest component latex mattresses. I talked with Patrick here and he is very knowledgeable and open about the materials in his mattresses.

www.allensfurniturestores.com/ Pearisburg, VA Imperial.

www.therugmattressandfurniturestore.com/Mattresses.html Salem, VA. Sleepworthy, Therapedic.

www.mattressdepotroanoke.com/mattresses/foam.shtml Roanoke, Christiansburg, Rocky Mount, Salem, VA. Paramount.

There is also a forum list for the Charlottesville/Lynchburg/Waynesboro areas in post #3 here

Good luck and let me know if you have any questions along the way. Hopefully this will exclude enough to help you focus on the better options or possibilities that are available in the area.

Phoenix
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Re: Please recommend local manufacturer, factory direct or reliable mattress near Roanoke, VA 13 Sep 2012 10:13 #6

Phoenix-

Thank you so very much for all this valuable information! I wiil go to some of these places and try their mattresses.

Ginger

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Re: Please recommend local manufacturer, factory direct or reliable mattress near Roanoke, VA 14 Sep 2012 16:19 #7

Phoenix -

I have emailed three mattress stores in my area. Two I emailed yesterday stating I was looking for a quality king size mattress, what types were available and if they had spec sheets available. I have not yet received a response. I emailed a different store today and the response was quick. They have Park Place mattresses, Nature's dream latex but do not have spec sheets. I know nothing about this type of mattress. Do you?

Thank you

Ginger

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Re: Please recommend local manufacturer, factory direct or reliable mattress near Roanoke, VA 14 Sep 2012 17:14 #8

Hi ginger,

As a general rule I would suggest talking with a retailer on the phone rather than emailing (unless your question has a one sentence answer that is black and white). For example ... they wouldn't know enough about you and the question is so broad that to even give you an answer that would have any meaning they could spend all day trying to cover every possibility and still would not cover what you really wanted to know. In general you won't get any meaningful information with emails and it would normally take several email exchanges to ask you the types of questions that would make a meaningful answer possible and end up taking literally weeks to cover what you could do on the phone in half an hour.

Park Place has some very general layering specs on their website about their Nature's Dream mattresses here but they don't list the quality/density information that is important to know the relative value and durability of a mattress. In cases like this ... either the retailer will understand the importance of this information and talk to the factory to find it or they won't take the time. What I would want to know is do they understand the importance of this information and are they able and willing to find out if they don't have it available. None of them will do this through email of course (they just wouldn't have the time to list all the specs of every mattress they had in the store or even some of them and this would do more to confuse most people than help them anyway) but the better ones will either have this available or will find out to the degree that their factory makes the information available to them.

Park Place itself is a regional manufacturer that is privately owned and tends to have better quality and value than many larger brands and they use CertiPur certified foam but regardless of this ... the only way to know if a specific mattress you are looking at is good quality/value is to know the type of materials and the quality specs of the materials that are in it and this is the job of the retailer to find out and the factory to provide it to their retailers.

In other words ... this is how they "pass or fail" your phone "interview" (along the lines of this article ). the key question you want to know from a retailer is their level of knowledge and experience and how much meaningful information are they willing to provide about the mattresses they carry. The brand label on a mattress means very little (although some manufacturers are more open and transparent than others). The only way you have to really know about the quality of a mattress you are considering is if the person who is helping you will provide the information you need to know.

You can tell how well a mattress will meet many of your needs and preferences by (things like pressure relief, alignment, motion isolation, overall feel) when you are testing mattresses in the store (if you test more objectively and not just go by "comfort") but to predict how the mattress may feel in a year or more, how durable it will be, how temperature regulating it may be, and the quality of the materials in it that you can't feel in a store (both high quality and low quality materials can feel great in a showroom) are just as important and you can only know these things by knowing what is in them. For this you are dependent on a retailer who has the experience and knowledge to understand how important this information and the willingness to help you find it for any mattresses you like or alternatively on your own ability to track it down which can mean weeks or months of research and frustration and only to find in many cases that you hit a dead end and can't find out anyway.

Phoenix
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Re: Please recommend local manufacturer, factory direct or reliable mattress near Roanoke, VA 17 Sep 2012 12:31 #9

Phoenix _

I have been directed to go to a website for information about Paramount mattresses. These are sold at Virginia Furniture Market. He recommends that I come to the store, see what I like and then he will help me.
I want to know first about the mattress, then if I like it I will already know the quality of the mattress. If the quality is not good, I don't want to make a trip to this store.
I know you said that I needed to know what type of foam the mattress consists of but at this time, all I have is the website information, so I just want to ask you if you know this manufacturer to be one to be trusted for quality mattresses. I live in an area where it seems I don't have a lot of choices. If I can't get a mattress in my area, I am willing to travel farther if I need to, but that will be an added cost for me. I have attached the links and the mattresses that are of interest to me.

www.paramountmatt.com/tight_top.htm

The Med Care mattress and the Comfort Classic Luxury

www.paramountmatt.com/pillow_top.htm

The Pillow Rest
Comfort Classic Pillowtop
and Premium pillowtop

All these I've chosen are two sided. I believe this makes for a longer lasting mattress. Thanks again.
Ginger

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Re: Please recommend local manufacturer, factory direct or reliable mattress near Roanoke, VA 17 Sep 2012 16:15 #10

Hi Ginger,

In the description for Virginia Furniture mart I mentioned that they were "as open about their mattresses as their supplier allowed them to be". In these cases ... the information they can provide you is limited to the information they are given by the manufacturer of the specific mattress you are interested in. The Paramount website is not nearly detailed enough about their specific models to provide you with the information you need. This means that you would need to do a little more research on the retailer before considering any of the Paramount mattresses they carry.

While I don't know of any retailer who would have the time to "list" all the more detailed specs of many of the mattresses that they carry unless they already have this information readily available ... they would certainly be able to tell you if the information you would need is available to them and if it is ... that they were willing to find it out as part of their customer service (and not just direct you to the manufacturers website which doesn't have it anyway). So in these cases the questions to ask on the phone and which need a specific answer would be something along the lines of ...

"If I come in and test any of your Paramount mattresses and like one of them ... can you confirm that you would be able to get all the specs of the mattress including layering and the density of any polyfoam or memory foam in the mattress that isn't listed on either their website or yours?"

If they say YES ... then I would then repeat the question in a different way to confirm this because many retailers aren't used to being asked these types of questions or dealing with a more educated consumer and will tend to answer yes when in fact all they have access to is layering information or spec sheets which don't include foam density. So if their answer to the first question is yes but you sense that they are more focused on getting you into the store than on making sure they have access to the information you would need ... then I would ask again along the lines of ...

"So just to confirm what you said ... you will call Paramount and you already know and have confirmed that they will provide you with this specific information including foam density?

If they can do this and confirm that they know for sure that they can get the specific information you need and give you a clear sense they understand the importance of this information for a more educated consumer, then this would put them in the group of "better retailers". If this information is also easily available to them through their channels with Paramount, it would also put Paramount in the group of " more transparent manufacturers" and I would then pay them a visit to look at the Paramount mattresses that they carry. In some cases the availability of this information depends on who the retailer normally deals with at the manufacturer level. If they are dealing with a typical sales rep ... then this information may not be easily available to them. If they are dealing with someone in the company that is more knowledgeable or part of the ownership of the factory ... then this information may be easier for them to find out or even part of what they normally do anyway.

If either Paramount doesn't supply this information about the mattresses you are looking at or if they do but the retailer is hesitant to go the extra mile to find out ... then you would be in a position that if you did like the mattress you would have to buy it on "faith" that the materials were good quality or that the value of the mattress was better than others that had a similar style or materials.

While I don't recommend this type of "blind" purchase because you have no way of knowing what the quality of the materials in your mattress really are or any way to make meaningful comparisons ... if I was forced to make a choice between a "blind" purchase from Paramount and a "blind" purchase from a major manufacturer, I would tend go with Paramount although with all the choices available ... I would not want to be facing this type of "blind" choice in the first place. The reason I would choose them is that they fit the "profile" of a manufacturer where the odds are higher that their mattresses are better than average quality and value but higher odds doesn't always translate into actual experience or to specific mattresses that they make.

So this is the type of research I would be doing with the "possibilities" that I often list in various areas to find out which of them are willing to go the extra mile and understand the importance of finding out the type of information you are looking for (or at least confirming that they can) before paying them a visit.

There are enough of these who will that I would not tend to look at mattresses or visit retailers where the staff wasn't willing to the extra mile and find out this information unless there were no other options available in the area and even here my next "least risky" choice would likely be to deal with an online manufacturer or travel further to visit a retailer or manufacturer who made this type of information easily accessible. This is exactly why I normally suggest first doing some research on the phone to find out which are the better outlets or the specific mattresses where this information is readily available from a particular retailer before deciding where to visit. If you go there first without knowing this ... the odds are good that you may be wasting your time unless you are comfortable with a "blind" purchase" where you don't know and can't find out the quality and value of what you are buying.

Phoenix
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