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Re: Best Way to "Try" Latex Beds Locally Before Buying Ultimate Dreams 02 Sep 2012 07:45 #31

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Hi Joey TOB,

I think you are just repeating the same thing you have said before including in post #2 here (my long reply is in post #4 here ) and in post #5 here (my long reply is in post #6 here ) and in post #11 here (to which Coventry replies in post #12 here ) so there's little point in writing a long reply once again.

You also say in post #18 here

If someone is solely looking on price they should never walk in my door


And in post #7 here you say ...

If someone goes to a retailler and take advantages of all that then buys online they should either come in and pay the retailler for their time or live with the fact they are not ethical


You also said in post #5 here ...

Support your local retaillers who have invested so much in your communities and quit this crazy online mattress shopping.


So in the interests of transparency and so your customers can know how you feel if they have any intentions of buying online, just testing mattresses, or shopping on price alone ... and since it seems that you don't even want a shot at the business of "people like this" ... a good solution may be to post your thoughts on a sign in your store that says something along the lines of ...

If you have any intention of buying online ... are only using us to test mattresses ... or are concerned about price alone ... then we are not the store for you and you should either leave, be prepared to pay us for our time, or consider yourself unethical.


That way the "offending" (or offended) customers could just walk out.

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Re: Best Way to "Try" Latex Beds Locally Before Buying Ultimate Dreams 02 Sep 2012 14:15 #32

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I love the trolling comment made here, it seems to be the default for stating an opposing opinion, something new please.

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Re: Question about abbyson memory foam mattress 02 Sep 2012 14:21 #33

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but based upon your value equation... this would be a good deal. It is about a low as I have seen a memory foam queen.

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Re: Question about abbyson memory foam mattress 02 Sep 2012 15:13 #34

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Hi JoeyTOB,

but based upon your value equation... this would be a good deal. It is about a low as I have seen a memory foam queen.


I wish you would take the time to read what I actually post. Making up fictitious statements that you say I have made and then replying to a figment of your imagination doesn't do anyone any favors or add any credibility to what you post here. It would be great if you could stick to facts instead of your imagination ... and post your own thoughts and opinions instead of misrepresenting mine. You could bring some good information to the table of these discussions if you chose to if you put more thought, and added more specifics and meaningful information to your posts here.

I am starting a new thread for posts of this type that you make (which I have also done with others who have trolled this forum in lieu of actually banning them). I believe you can make some valuable contributions to this forum when you choose to so I will leave relevant posts in the thread you post them in if they are on topic and if you can refrain from misrepresenting what I or others post. This way I can just moderate you which is a lot easier and still allows you to post meaningful and relevant information here.

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Re: Question about abbyson memory foam mattress 02 Sep 2012 15:23 #35

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Facts will show you are ok with people using retaillers for configuring mattress with no intent of purchasing. Then they will show that i find that very unethical. If you encourage it 1,000 times I will post my opinion 1,000 times.

I do want to ask one question which the other user I disagreed with asked but I think one question is valid, What is your resume? Why are you an expert? Do you have another job. No ill intent with these question but I do believe it is overly fair in this world of fake internet names where anyone claims expertise. Please tell, I can tell you know a lot of things and I feel this is a fair chance for you to explain and seperate yourself from others to the people who take your advice.

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Re: How is this site supported? ... and a personal attack 02 Sep 2012 15:28 #36

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I do think the question of who phoenix is is valid. All i know is you are someone from Seattle based upon the hour long call which we had.

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Re: How is this site supported? ... and a personal attack 02 Sep 2012 16:52 #37

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Hi JoeyTOB,

The goal of this site is not about personality but about providing a source of accurate and meaningful information to the degree possible, helping to change the direction of this industry, and giving people the tools that any information can be validated for themselves. The last thing I would want is to be an information "bottleneck". The people who "need to know" such as the business members of this site and many others I talked with know who I am and how to reach me at any time. As you may imagine ... every day I receive many requests for personal replies which of course are not possible and I redirect them to the forum so that the information in the forum can continue to grow, the forum can become a more valuable resource ... and I don't have to answer similar questions many times (I can just link to where they are already answered). To make me an issue rather than the information on this site and the means to validate it would only lead to a focus on the "person" instead of the "information" and the loss of control of my own home phone number and family environment (I work from home). I prefer to have control over who I speak with in person.

I do want to ask one question which the other user I disagreed with asked but I think one question is valid, What is your resume? Why are you an expert? Do you have another job. No ill intent with these question but I do believe it is overly fair in this world of fake internet names where anyone claims expertise. Please tell, I can tell you know a lot of things and I feel this is a fair chance for you to explain and seperate yourself from others to the people who take your advice.


This same question has been asked and answered on several occasions including on the front page of the site (which I referred to in the post you mentioned) and at the end of post #4 here and in post #4 here .

The main difference is that I don't sell mattresses and outside of this website am not involved in the industry so I have nothing to promote or defend. While I certainly have my own preferences (and latex for example is one of these) ... my first loyalty is to information about anything connected to mattresses that can be validated or at least agrees with the "preponderance of the evidence" when black and white answers aren't available so that people can make up their own minds about what they may need and prefer ... regardless of who else it may agree with.

Even the logo of the site (Borromean rings and a mobius strip around them) is meant to represent the three "ideals" of the site (listed in the about us page here ) which is to connect educated consumers, with high quality and value manufacturers and retailers that provide exceptional service. Like Borromean rings ... if one of these links breaks ... they will all fall apart and like the mobius strip that surrounds them ... these types of manufacturers, retailers, and consumers are all on the same side no matter where they start.

We have 3 ideals, one for each part of the "resistance" against the mattress industry as it has "evolved" over the past decade or longer.

Knowledgeable consumers should have access to a quality mattresses, sold by a service driven retail outlet, and made by a manufacturer that understands and produces true value, at every budget range and in every area of North America.

Retail outlets who are service driven, knowledgeable about their products, care about their customers, are open, honest, and ethical in their sales practices, and provide true value are the most deserving of our business.

Manufacturers who produce the highest value, using the best quality materials and methods available in a price range, are transparent in the information they publish about them, who inform consumers and retailers rather than mislead or deceive them, and who offer their mattresses through a short supply chain at a fair profit are the most desirable brands.


For those who are in the mood of a little more light hearted version of how this site began ... then this article also answers the question in a little different way :)

I have also answered the question of any other job I may have (and it would be difficult to add one to the 12 - 16 hours a day I spend with this project) but to make it clear again ... I have no other job or source of income and the financial, emotional, and physical support that has allowed me to focus on this project in the way I have to the exclusion of many other things I could have done in these last almost 2 years was thanks to some very loving and supportive family members.

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Re: How is this site supported? ... and a personal attack 02 Sep 2012 20:29 #38

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Post deleted and poster banned for personal attacks.

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Re: 3 Year Old Quality Latex Mattress Causing Problems Already?? 04 Sep 2012 00:06 #39

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We actually live in gastonia and ended up driving to Raleigh to check out the organic mattress store there. We have not purchased yet but will be probably this week. My advice from my research is stay away from the S brands as most just are not made well when it comes to Latex. We are getting a Royal-Pedic it is pricey but sleep is just too important to me. We also looked at Savvy and another brand out of NY. Good luck wish there were some better stores in Charlotte but we were not pleased with what we visited.

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Re: 3 Year Old Quality Latex Mattress Causing Problems Already?? 04 Sep 2012 02:30 #40

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Hi joeyTOB (AKA buster255),

You do realize that the forum software logs IP addresses?

So you get banned and choose to create a "fake customer" and first time poster who tries all the many latex options in Charlotte and none of them "please him" so he decides to drive a few hundred miles just to visit you and discovers that he actually "likes" the mattresses you sell and is willing to pay thousands more for a Royal-Pedic and at the same time gives some of the other brands you carry a little "plug".

And this from a business owner that talks about ethics?

Interesting!

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