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Re: Geneeral Questions - and Seeking Recommendation Foam vs Coil vs Latex 08 Jul 2012 19:38 #16

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I have my eye on memoryfoam.com is www.personalcomfortbed.com also worth checking out?

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Re: Geneeral Questions - and Seeking Recommendation Foam vs Coil vs Latex 09 Jul 2012 00:10 #17

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Hi terminaldawn,

This is an online outlet for Boyd Specialty Sleep .

They use CertiPur certified foams (you can see the email exchange I had with them in post #5 here ) but I would still want to know the quality/density of the materials they use (all the memory foam layers and the polyfoam layers) so you can determine the quality of their mattresses (they only list some of them). A forum search on Boyd will bring more information about them.

So with the caution that the density of the layers is the only way to know the quality and make meaningful comparisons with other mattresses ... and if you are OK with materials that are sourced in China ... they may be worth further research to see if you can ask the questions and get the answers you would need to make meaningful comparisons and a good decision.

Just FYI ... post #12 here lists a few of the better online memory foam options.

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Re: Geneeral Questions - and Seeking Recommendation Foam vs Coil vs Latex 09 Jul 2012 23:05 #18

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Hi Terminaldawn

My apologies first of all for missing your posts. There was a post after yours that put the thread over to a new page and I didn't notice them till today.

Verlo was recently sold by Vymac to another company called Marcus Investments and it's always interesting to me to see what if any changes that may entail in the corporate culture and focus of the company.

One of the difficulties with larger franchise factory directs (which is what Verlo was) is that the level of knowledge and expertise from outlet to outlet can vary. It appears that you were unfortunate to find some of the worst of them.

This of course doesn't change the value of their mattresses ... only the difficulty of getting accurate information about them.

The first set of stats is jumbled up and clearly not correct but the second set looks accurate.

The gel memory foam and the 2 inch regular memory foam are both 4 lbs which is "mid range" and fairly typical. The transition layer below these is 1.5 lbs which is on the low end of density (the low end can range from an average of 1.2 to 1.5 and in some cases lower) but 1.5 is generally regarded as much superior to the "cheap" 1.2 lb foam which is commonly used. It is only 2" and is also under other foams which would increase the durability compared to being on top where it would be subject to greater mechanical compression and softening. The better gel foams (without the particles in them) are quite durable and in this case it is on the top where the benefits of the gel are more apparent (in terms of durability and cooling).

The Acellaflex is 2.0 lbs which is average to above average for a support layer and perfectly suitable (many only use 1.8 and less than 1.8 is not really a good idea).

So overall this would be a mattress that used "mid range" foams on top and good quality on the bottom and would likely be "better than average" value but of course this would depend on the price you are paying (either for a mattress or a set) and on your weight. If I'm not mistaken this is in the rage of $1000 set price for a queen?

For your wife this would probably be fine. For you, because of your heavier weight ... there would be some risk of early softening and I would make sure you had some room for the mattress to soften in the upper layers (in other words you weren't "on the edge" of your heavier parts sinking in too far).

Hope this helps but if you have more questions then feel free to ask ... and once again my apologies for the delay in answering

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Re: Geneeral Questions - and Seeking Recommendation Foam vs Coil vs Latex 10 Jul 2012 00:05 #19

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Hey, no problem with the delay. The fact that you are answering everyone's questions like you are is impressive, and truly kind. You are truly a saint. If it wasnt for your site I would have bought some cheap Serta coil mattress.

Verlo just gave us a bad vibe with their lack of knowledge. So getting a mattress localy just isnt an option for us unfortunately. Sure we could have driven several hours to go to another shop but we just didnt have the time. Honestly I know this is a bad excuse for the ammount of time we as humans sleep it probably would have been worth it, but alas with just closing on a new house and preparing to move its just not possible right now.

We went out and tested some Tempurpedics and agin the iicomforts, and sealys foam series today. We both agreed that Tempurpedic line was in general more comfortable for us. My wife really liked the Cloud series but it just seemed too soft for me, and my wife agreed when she saw how much I sank in to the mattress. We tested out the AlluraBed and I really liked it and my wife was willing to compromise. Honestly I think I may have preferred some of the Contour line, so in a way the AlluraBed was a compromise. :)

We decided to give SelectFoam a shot due to the tremendous cost difference and ended up going with the Allura equivalent Aurora-HD 13.5".

THe Aurora HD has a 2 inches 8lb, layer then 2.5 inches of 5.3 lb foam. I am not sure what the main support layer is after that?

Do you see anything wrong with my decision on paper, I still have time to cancel my order :) ? Wife is 5'3" 130 and I am 6ft 190.

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Re: Geneeral Questions - and Seeking Recommendation Foam vs Coil vs Latex 10 Jul 2012 01:24 #20

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Hi terminaldawn,

Verlo just gave us a bad vibe with their lack of knowledge. So getting a mattress localy just isnt an option for us unfortunately. Sure we could have driven several hours to go to another shop but we just didnt have the time. Honestly I know this is a bad excuse for the ammount of time we as humans sleep it probably would have been worth it, but alas with just closing on a new house and preparing to move its just not possible right now.


I completely understand and I would have been hesitant as well. The type of "quality" specs that are important to make meaningful comparisons should be easy to obtain and even though they have better than average value compared to most "regular" options ... I would hesitate as well if the service and knowledge of the local outlet wasn't up to par. I appreciate your feedback about them.

We went out and tested some Tempurpedics and again the iicomforts, and sealys foam series today. We both agreed that Tempurpedic line was in general more comfortable for us. My wife really liked the Cloud series but it just seemed too soft for me, and my wife agreed when she saw how much I sank in to the mattress. We tested out the AlluraBed and I really liked it and my wife was willing to compromise. Honestly I think I may have preferred some of the Contour line, so in a way the AlluraBed was a compromise.


You are probably wise to go with the allura rather than the cloud because even though you are just under 200 lbs ... if it was clear that you were sinking in too far on the Cloud then with some softening this would become worse and I think you made a good choice. The Allura is a medium rather than a soft (strangely enough the 7 lb foam can be softer than the 5.3 lb foam because density and softness are independent of each other) and if your wife tested it and was OK with it then I think it would likely be a better choice.

The SelectFoam / Memoryfoam is one of the online memory foam outlets that I like (listed in post #12 here ) and their advantage is that they have designed their mattresses to be similar to the Tempurpedic line so people can have an idea of what they may feel like.

They use similar density and layer thickness of memory foam in the comfort layers and their 8" base foam is actually a bit higher density/quality than the Tempurpedic support layer. While no two mattresses that use different foams are exactly the same ... they are designed to be similar so I think I would also go by the "tempurpedic test method" :)

Do you see anything wrong with my decision on paper, I still have time to cancel my order ? Wife is 5'3" 130 and I am 6ft 190.


No ... I would have made the same choice between the same two options and IMO the additional risk of an online order of a mattress that very similar in build and quality would be more than justified by the large difference in price.

I think you did well and I hope you have a chance to give us a report when you've had the chance to sleep on it for a few days.

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Re: Geneeral Questions - and Seeking Recommendation Foam vs Coil vs Latex 10 Jul 2012 11:09 #21

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OK, Great! Truly thank you. You do good work here. I will update to share my experience with Select Foam. Hopefully all goes well.

PS a tip about Select Foam. If you call them, they are willing to work out a better deal for you. When I called yesterday I was able to get a better price than what is advertised online :)

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Re: Geneeral Questions - and Seeking Recommendation Foam vs Coil vs Latex 20 Jul 2012 14:58 #22

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Hi Phoenix,
I am back to give you my report on My Quality Sleep/Green Mattress. Unfortunately, I was disappointed with their customer service. The owner was not there (Saturday), and the sales woman was not knowledgeable at all about the pound densities used, whether the gel was beads/infused/particle, and didn't ask us questions about how we sleep, etc. to help find the best mattress in the store.

I was surprised to find out they don't really have all memory foam mattresses, but instead they are memory foam/latex mixed, and my husband and I don't like the bouncy feeling we get from latex. We laid on all of the mattresses they had that were "memory foam" type in the store (only 3), plus some other innerspring ones just to make sure we gave them all a fair run. My husband was okay with one of the innerspring ones with a mem foam topper, but it still really bothered my hip pressure point, so unfortunately we didn't find anything we liked. The sales woman suggested I call and talk to the owner during the week and he could 'custom make' a mattress based on my preferences, but I'm not going to buy a mattress I can't try first.

So, we high-tailed it back to Verlo in McHenry where the owner was in the store, and he was very knowledgeable (he mentioned the gel/mem foam layer in the Kodiak is not beads b/c they found that the beads will deconstruct over time). We ended up purchasing the Sitka mattress which is 3" Gel Foam and 2" Mem Foam on top of the Acella layer. The mattress comes tomorrow! Thanks for all your advice!

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Re: Geneeral Questions - and Seeking Recommendation Foam vs Coil vs Latex 20 Jul 2012 18:29 #23

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Hi ldude916,

I'm quite surprised to hear about your experience. Perhaps the person in the store when you were there was new or wasn't as well trained as most because most of the forum comments and my own conversations with them show that they are generally very knowledgeable and "expert" in the materials in their mattresses and in their level or customer service as well.

It is not unusual at all for many smaller manufacturers across the country to offer a more limited range of memory foam mattresses or to layer it in ways that offsets some of the risks of using memory foam in thicker layers in a mattress. Because they deal directly with the public and are directly accountable for the long term performance of their mattresses, more than most they are often quite wary of memory foam because they have to deal directly with any returns or softening and there is no intermediary between them and their customers. It's more tricky in other words to "get right" in ways that account for long term performance. While of course they can make any mattress they want ... there are many (but by no means all) who choose to go primarily with faster response materials.

In any case, the most important thing is that you made a good choice and did good research and as I've mentioned on many occasions it's always great to see when people are making choices between "good and good" instead of "good and bad" or even worse "unknown and unknown".

So congratulations on your new mattress ... you did well :)

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