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Local Manufacturer 15 May 2012 10:26 #1

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Hi Pheonix,
Do you Know of any local manufacturers in the Boston/New England area?
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Re: Local Manufacturer 15 May 2012 13:34 #2

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Hi rjm,

I think that post #2 here should help :)

In terms of manufacturers that are near you ... I would focus my attention on the first 3 on the list.

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Re: Local Manufacturer 15 May 2012 19:19 #3

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Hi Phoenix, I just joined this site - I'm having back issues and I know that my mattress is saggy and not right for me. I went to a Sleepy's today and it was as unpleasant as a used car salesman experience... I put a deposit on a MySide 6 series - when I got back to my computer and googled that brand I came across another post in this forum where you had some scathing words for that mattress. I'm considering cancelling.

I'm replying to this particular thread because I am also from the Boston area and had a few additional questions:

1) How did you come up with that list of mattress stores?
2) Jordans?? Really? I'm surprised to hear that they are not the same sleezy used car salesman type of joint as sleepys - what's different?
3) You post a lot of information on this site, including details that are way over my head. I was wondering what your credentials are as far as being a mattress expert?

I can see that you spend a lot of time helping people on this site and would like to extend a big thank you!

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Re: Local Manufacturer 15 May 2012 21:39 #4

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Hi kregan,

The first thing I would recommend is to read this article which gives a good sense of where I believe you are far more likely to find the best quality and value and why.

Buying a mattress is one of the most important purchases you can make and has a major affect on both the quality of your sleep and the quality of your waking life as well. It only makes sense to me to make a purchase from an outlet where you can actually find out what is in your mattress so you can make more meaningful comparisons with others based on the quality of the materials and the suitability of a mattress for your needs and preferences. Knowing how to do this or better yet to work with someone that has years of experience and already knows, is happy to share with you what they know, and is more inclined to find the best mattress for you rather than the most profitable mattress for them, only makes sense to me. Buying a mattress without knowing what is in it is like buying a car and only knowing what it looks like and having no details of what is actually in it.

1) How did you come up with that list of mattress stores?


I have a list of almost all the local mattress manufacturing in North America and when someone comes to the forum from a particular area ... I give them the list of the local manufacturers that are near them. Sometimes I also include some of the better retail outlets that I know about (and the brands they sell which may include some mattresses which have better value). These are based on my online research and/or conversations with the outlets. Every local manufacturer or sleep shop of course isn't "great" but knowing that they are there and knowing that you have better odds of getting reliable information and finding better quality and value makes meaningful comparisons much easier. It is usually a list of places which are worth including in your research and which often includes comments with a brief description what I know about them or my thoughts about them. The only "official" recommendations I make are the manufacturers and outlets that are members of the site (which is by invitation only). Of course over the course of time there are likely to be several dozen more members which I consider to be the "best of the best" in terms of their quality, value, and service.

2) Jordans?? Really? I'm surprised to hear that they are not the same sleezy used car salesman type of joint as sleepys - what's different?


They make their own line of mattresses and are much more transparent about how they make them and the materials they use than the major brands. While they are not in the same quality and value range as many manufacturers ... they go on the list because they are a local factory direct manufacturer with "better than average" value and worth including in someone's research if for no other reason than as a reference point. The other brands they carry I would ignore of course. Besides ... a visit to their "sleep lab" with "uniformed attendants" may be worth it :)

3) You post a lot of information on this site, including details that are way over my head. I was wondering what your credentials are as far as being a mattress expert?


The only "credentials" I have are a willingness to do the research and talk with the most knowledgeable people in the industry and to "amalgamate" what I have learned (and what they have been so generous to share with me) and put it all into one place. This site is the result of literally thousands of hours of conversations with people in the industry (many of whom have made mattresses for generations) and thousands of hours more of research into materials, specs, and mattress design theory. This is added to actual testing of mattresses to "make sense" out of what I have learned.

The main goal of this site is to help educate consumers and connect them with the better retailers and manufacturers that have the best quality, value, and service and to help people understand how to know the difference. The first article on the front page includes the reasons why this site exists.

Of course there's much more than this and there was some synchronicity involved that led to this website but in essence ... I tend to enjoy projects that involve both extensive technical research and intuitive or "right brained" processes in equal combinations. I also enjoy helping people and in this industry there is a genuine need for better and more reliable information. If you had told me two years ago that I would be spending 16 hours a day 7 days a week doing this I would have told you that you were crazy ... yet here I am!

Of course if you want an alternative version of what qualifies me ... you can find it here :)

I can see that you spend a lot of time helping people on this site and would like to extend a big thank you!


You're very welcome ... and thanks for posting your questions.

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Re: Local Manufacturer 15 May 2012 22:42 #5

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I'm planning a visit to Worley Beds in New Bedford this week, it's about two hours away from me in CT... but they do have a good reputation and I will have the opportunity to see a few mattress styles I'm considering. Or I can spend ALL DAY driving around CT trying to find stores where I can try a bed at each. It's worth it to me to have multiple choices at one location. Plus after two hours it'll be nice to lay down for a few :cheer:

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Re: Local Manufacturer 16 May 2012 16:21 #6

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I'm planning a visit to Worley Beds in New Bedford this week, it's about two hours away from me in CT... but they do have a good reputation and I will have the opportunity to see a few mattress styles I'm considering. Or I can spend ALL DAY driving around CT trying to find stores where I can try a bed at each. It's worth it to me to have multiple choices at one location. Plus after two hours it'll be nice to lay down for a few :cheer:


I hope you post your experience here. I visited Mattress Maker in Brockton today - it's very much a warehouse setting with a room with a few mattresses laying around for you to try. I really liked one of them but I feel like maybe I didn't ask enouhg questions. They had the materials the yuse lying around and the one I liked had a latex core and a memory foam top. Queen size was only $1250 with box spring!!! My "get what you pay for" instinct is screaming right now... I might call them back and ask for a full list of materials, layer by layer. The guy was saying how he uses all the same raw materials that the big names like sealy/certa/etc. use when I asked him what the difference between his mattress and the big name brands was.

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Re: Local Manufacturer 16 May 2012 17:21 #7

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I went to a Sleepy's today and it was as unpleasant as a used car salesman experience... I put a deposit on a MySide 6 series - when I got back to my computer and googled that brand I came across another post in this forum where you had some scathing words for that mattress. I'm considering cancelling.


Like kregan1013, I went to a Sleepy's store looking for a latex mattress and their only option was Kingsdown/MySide. My wife and I lay down on it for an extended period of time and were comfortable and interested. Based on some machine analysis for recommended firmness, I was a blue and she was a green. The cost was in the vicinity of $3500. I hadn't heard of the brand so didn't want to purchase or deposit on something that expensive until I done some further research. Luckily, I found this site which has a wealth of information and I think it put me right.

Our last two mattresses lasted less than 18 months each before they sagged enough for my wife to frequently wake up in the morning with a sore lower back so I'm looking at spending a little more for something more durable. I live in NJ and my wife is not keen on going to another mattress store therefore I'm looking to buy online. I'm 6' 0" and 190 lb while my wife is 5' 5" and 160 lb. We're both side sleepers but if sleeping comfortably will end up on our backs. She likes it softer than me.

I like the look of SleepEZ range of latex mattresses as they have customizable layers of Tatalay (blended or natural) and/or Dunlop natural at what I think are very reasonable prices. I've contacted them regarding their Natural Latex Mattress 10,000 Eastern King and they were very helpful. I'm looking at the following layer combination:

Me: soft, firm, extra firm
She: soft, medium, firm

the top layer being Tatalay blended and the lower two being Dunlop.

If this doesn't work out then we can always swap out the middle layer.

If all goes as planned, then we may well save $1500 and have a longer lasting and more comfortable bed.

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Re: Local Manufacturer 16 May 2012 17:35 #8

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Hi kregan1013,

My "get what you pay for" instinct is screaming right now... I might call them back and ask for a full list of materials, layer by layer. The guy was saying how he uses all the same raw materials that the big names like sealy/certa/etc. use when I asked him what the difference between his mattress and the big name brands was.


"You get whet you pay for" can certainly be true when comparing mattress within a certain outlet where all the mattresses may have similar value but it also may be true in different ways when comparing mattresses made by different types of outlets because what you are paying for can include many factors that most people don't consider and are "hidden" or obscured. For example ... when you are buying a mattress from a major brand that is being sold through a typical chain store ... you are paying for multiple levels of much higher profit margins (each one built on the pricing of the level below it), a much larger infrastructure, training and support programs, more people who each need to "eat from the same pie", investment groups and shareholder interests and pressures, and advertising that is designed to enhance a particular marketing story rather than focus on actual materials, construction, or education.

In most cases .. all manufacturers have access to the same materials as any other (with only a very few exceptions) but it is what happens in between the manufacturer of the components or the foam and a final consumer purchase that makes the biggest difference. In general ... smaller manufacturers use higher quality materials and charge significantly lower prices than even the best (fake) sale prices of the larger outlets ... even if these sale prices have been even further discounted through "negotiation". Very few people are truly aware of how easy it is to influence consumer perception in the absence of real information about the quality of materials used in a mattress and how far the majority of larger manufacturers will go in their efforts to make meaningful comparisons difficult or even impossible.

It is easy to validate this with the questions you are asking. Simple questions such as what type of latex are you using, what is the density of the memory foam, what are the other materials in the mattress can and will be answered by a manufacturer who wants you to know but will be avoided or only partly answered at best by a manufacturer who wants to avoid the types of comparisons that lead to real value.

In the case of David at The Mattress Maker .... he is exceptionally knowledgeable about mattress materials and is more than happy to share what he puts into his mattresses ... and what other more mainstream mattresses do as well. He is also planning to move into a larger showroom where he will be able to show more of his mattresses.

In any case ... I certainly understand the confusion and the "voices" that are screaming. These are the same voices that the major players that currently dominate the industry count on to steer consumers in the direction of their marketing tactics and "stories" and discourage the distribution of more meaningful information and comparisons.

So "you get what you pay for" is more true when comparing different mattresses made by the same manufacturer in the same outlet, slightly less true when comparing different manufacturers in the same outlet, and more untrue than true when comparing completely different types of outlets or manufacturers where basically identical or even superior mattresses can cost much less than even the "best" sale prices in outlets that are more oriented towards marketing and profit margins than quality, value, and service.

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Re: Local Manufacturer 16 May 2012 17:50 #9

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Hi noroke61,

IMO ... Your current choice is certainly better than the one you were considering before which is a LOT of money to pay for a machine (which isn't as accurate as it could be anyway) and a whole lot of lower quality foam. The "scientific" story that is being sold by Kingsdown may have some relevance and even some truth behind it but it also is a reason to charge exorbitant prices for the mattress that it says is your best "fit". No machine can take into account all the infinite variables which come together to make "your perfect mattress". At best it is a guideline and accurate testing with the guidance of a knowledgeable person (or even online guidance with enough information about your needs and preferences) can be much more accurate.

There may be a few better outlets in NJ and surrounding areas that may either be better choices than the chain stores or provide a general reference point for an online purchase (in terms of how Dunlop and Talalay of different firmness levels feels for each of you). If you let me know which city in NJ you are from ... I'd be happy to let you know of any that I'm aware of.

It's always great to see one more person discover that the more heavily advertised brands, "stories" and outlets are nowhere close to being the best value in a mattress and find the "better choices" that are available to them :)

I'm glad you did a bit more research before making your purchase!

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Re: Local Manufacturer 16 May 2012 19:02 #10

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Ahh yes, David - he was actually not in the showroom and another gentleman helped me - I do have David's card though so maybe I'll call him back.

The other guy, I forget his name, was friendly but he wasn't getting into specific details of what was in the mattress (and I didn't really know or think to ask the right questions). I know the one that I liked supposedly had a big chunk of latex (I think he said IDL 32??) and then memory foam as the cushion on top. I also asked him about the issue with memory foam and sleeping "hot" and he said that that was mainly a problem with tempurpedic brand mattresses because their foam is so dense. Is it true that you can sleep on memory foam and not suffer from the heat issues? I tend to get hot easy so that is a pretty big issue for me.

Thanks again for all the information, you do mattress buyers everywhere a great service!

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