>

Welcome to The Mattress Underground FORUM! :cheer:
The first place to start your research is the Mattress Shopping Tutorial
Select the Search Forum tab below to gain access to answers to many mattress related questions.
Select the Ask An Expert tab below to reach out to any of our Expert Members for guidance and advice.

Welcome to The Mattress Underground FORUM! :cheer:

TOPIC:

MySide Series 6 mattress by Kingsdown 17 Sep 2011 14:57 #1

  • johnnyj
  • johnnyj's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Junior Member
  • Junior Member
  • Posts: 3
Hello,
We found a MySide Series 6 mattress by Kingsdown at Sleepys we really like however the price is quite high. I know there are equivalent names for the same mattress. Do you know if there's another place we can find this mattress at a lower price?

Regards,
Jonny

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Re: MySide Series 6 mattress by Kingsdown 17 Sep 2011 17:50 #2

  • phoenix
  • phoenix's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Administrator
  • Administrator
  • Posts: 31984
Hi Johnnyj,

Not only is the price unbelievably high considering the cheap polyfoam in it ... I would not recommend this mattress for anyone regardless of circumstances, weight distribution, or sleeping position. It has the following specs ...

Mattress Build

.7 Oz. Fire Resistant Fiber
1 1/4" Quilting Poly
1 Oz. Clima Touch Fiber
1 1/2" Qualatex Cool Wave Plus Pad
1" Super Soft Air Flow Cushion
1" Kingsfoam Airflow Cushion
2" Kingsfoam Airflow Cushion
1/2" Memory Foam
1" Firm Kingsfoam
3/8" Foam Lumbar Support
9" Wrapped Coil System
1" Flexatron
1" Base Foam

It has over 8" of polyfoam in it and only 1.5" of this could even remotely be called good quality (the qualatex). In a mattress like this ... there is so much polyfoam over the innerspring that even having an innerspring is almost pointless. This mattress is a recipe for disaster both in terms of body alignment and in terms of the likelihood of foam breakdown and loss of support and body impressions. I wouldn't buy this mattress at any price and much higher quality mattresses that use decent materials are available at local independent manufacturers and many other places (not the chain stores) at much better value than even the best so-called sale prices of a mattress like this.

The only mattress at Sleepy's that I would likely consider would be one of the Pure Latex Bliss models and even here a mattress that uses the same materials could be purchased for much less at a true factory direct outlet or independent sleep shop. I would strongly advise you to walk past sleepy's and any other chain store like it (for anything other than mattress testing) because if you purchase anything there and don't like it ... you will be trapped into a "comfort exchange" for another poor quality mattress at an even higher price. This forum thread may be worth reading www.themattressunderground.com/mattress-forum/general-mattresses/390-please-help.html

If you let me know what city you live in ... I would be happy to look and see if I know of any higher quality outlets that are near you. You can certainly do much better IMO

Phoenix
Researching for a mattress?... Be sure to read The Mattress Shopping Tutorial.
Click here for TMU Discount Codes if purchasing from Our Trusted Members.
For any mattress questions Ask An Expert on our forum

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Last edit: by phoenix. Reason: Updating link to https: status

Re: MySide Series 6 mattress by Kingsdown 18 Sep 2011 11:32 #3

  • johnnyj
  • johnnyj's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Junior Member
  • Junior Member
  • Posts: 3
Phoenix,

First of all -- thank you so much :)

I'm by Newtown Square, PA. I'm 5'10" / 175lbs side sleeper, and my wife is 5'4"/120lbs side sleeper. Wife has scoliosis. Both have some back problems.

What do you think we should try?

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Last edit: by johnnyj.

Re: MySide Series 6 mattress by Kingsdown 18 Sep 2011 17:26 #4

  • phoenix
  • phoenix's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Administrator
  • Administrator
  • Posts: 31984
Hi Johnnyj,

Perhaps the best place to begin is here www.themattressunderground.com/mattresses/the-basic-functions-of-a-mattress.html

The best way to look for a mattress is to focus on the materials rather than the brand. In practical terms ... most comfort layers will either be memory foam or latex or polyfoam but it's important to make sure that the comfort layers in a mattress use good quality materials. The lower quality/density foams used in the comfort layers of most national brands (or any lower quality material)... should be avoided because they will soften and break down more quickly than higher quality materials. Other less common options include comfort layers made of natural fibers, microcoils, or buckling column gel. These less common or more specialized options may be suitable in some cases however in general terms your choice will usually be between memory foam and polyfoam (make sure they are the highest quality available in your budget range), and latex. If you are forced to choose a comfort layer that has more than an inch of lower density polyfoam because of a very low budget ... then it should only be from a factory direct manufacturer or specialty sleep shop that will be able to tell you exactly (and truthfully) about the quality of the polyfoam and how long it can be reasonably expected to last.

Latex has many advantages over memory foam however there are some who are used to sleeping on memory foam and like the feeling of sleeping more "in" the mattress than "on" it. In terms of pressure relief they are roughly equal and they are both good at motion isolation although memory foam would have a slight advantage here. In terms of support, breathability, temperature control, health concerns, environmental impact, and durability, latex is generally a better performing material. It's also however a more expensive material and comes in different types (the raw material used to make the foam can be either natural, synthetic, or blended rubber and is made using two main methods which are dunlop or talalay). More information about the different materials used in comfort layers is here www.themattressunderground.com/mattresses/comfort-layers.html

The support layers of your mattress may be an innerspring, polyfoam (its not as big an issue in the support layers of a mattress as it would usually be higher quality and firmer when used here), or latex foam. The choices here are usually about how well the material or layer can keep you in alignment, overall feel, budget, and durability as all three materials can be made to provide good support. The best performing and durable material here is also latex. Innersprings and polyfoam can be used for lower budgets or in the case of an innerspring for a different overall feel. More information about support layers can be found here www.themattressunderground.com/mattresses/support-cores.html

In terms of value ... the best choices are usually local independent mattress manufacturers who sell factory direct. Other good options include smaller sleep shops who sell smaller more local brands or higher quality but smaller national brands and are open about the materials inside every mattress they sell (so you can make sure there is little to no low quality polyfoam in the comfort layers). These types of outlets are almost always the most knowledgeable about what you truly need in a mattress (as opposed to what they want to sell you) and more open about what is in the mattresses they sell. The larger chain store outlets in some cases sell mattresses that are useful for testing purposes to give you a good idea of the type of construction that would be best for your unique needs. They rarely have good value however.

If your field testing gives you a clear idea of the type of construction and layering that is best for you but there is little available in your local area to actually buy that has reasonable value ... then there are also online outlets that can "duplicate" the type of mattress you prefer and that do have very good value. Even at the best "so called" sale prices ... most people end up paying 50% or more than their mattress is really worth, buying a mattress that is not suitable for their needs, or buying a mattress that uses too far too much poor quality materials that will break down far too soon.

The thickness of the layers ... especially the comfort layers ... is also a very important part of how suitable a mattress is for a particular weight, body shape, and sleeping positions. Side sleepers usually need a comfort layer "in the range" of 3" and this is a good place to start your testing. It can be slightly more or less depending on body weight and shape. Latex comes in a range of softness choices while memory foam would all be considered soft (in actual use at normal sleeping temperatures even though it can be quite firm when it is colder). This comfort layer needs to be thick enough to relieve your pressure points, to "fill in the gaps" in your sleeping profile (lumbar/waist area especially), and to allow your shoulders to sink in deeply enough to be in alignment with your hips (to relieve shoulder pressure and to help keep your spine in alignment).

The support layers need to hold up the heavier parts of your body (primarily the hips) which tend to sink down into the mattress too deeply and put your spine out of alignment which can lead to or aggravate back issues. They are the part of your mattress that primarily keeps you in alignment. In some cases, the different types of layering or materials or design can also "help" the comfort layers with pressure relief. As long as a support layer keeps you in alignment in all your sleeping positions ... then the choices between them are more about how they feel, how durable they are, and their overall cost and value.

The durability of the different layers of a mattress is (or at least should be) one of the biggest parts of its cost and overall value.

In your area (General Philadelphia area)... there are a few local or regional factory direct manufacturers that may be well worth visiting. They include ...

ADMIN NOTE: Removed 404 page link | Archived Footprint: .verlo.com/customerservice/stores/PA.
Regional factory direct that makes a wide range of mattresses
www.croydonmattress.com/directions/index.html Local factory direct that also makes a range of mattresses

ADDED: Post #4 here has a more complete list

Some local outlets that may be useful for testing include

www.sleepys.com/ Has a brand called Pure Latex Bliss which has different models and can also include different toppers. These are very useful for mattress testing and the specific layering of each model is known and can be easily duplicated at a better value.

ADMIN NOTE: Removed 404 page link | Archived Footprint: mattresssave.com/.
Also carries Pure Latex Bliss at their showroom in Philadelphia

EDIT: Sleepys no longer carries PLB mattresses

Take your time and don't let anything or anyone create a false sense of urgency with "fake sales" or other sales techniques. High value and high quality mattresses are available every day of the year from reputable outlets. A few guidelines that can help you "cut through the noise" of all the misleading "stories" you will come across are in reply #6 here .

Hope this helps a bit and certainly feel free to post with any questions along the way :)

Phoenix
Researching for a mattress?... Be sure to read The Mattress Shopping Tutorial.
Click here for TMU Discount Codes if purchasing from Our Trusted Members.
For any mattress questions Ask An Expert on our forum

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Last edit: by phoenix. Reason: Removed Page Not Found Link (404 Error) and Updating link to https: status

Re: MySide Series 6 mattress by Kingsdown 24 Sep 2011 15:25 #5

  • johnnyj
  • johnnyj's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Junior Member
  • Junior Member
  • Posts: 3
Thank you Phoenix (I cant thank enough!).

I'm going to go to Sleepy's and check out their Pure Latex Bliss beds. I noticed that they have 4 versions 8", 10", 11", 12" -- what would you say are the differences in those? Again, wife 120lbs side sleeper (back problems), me 170lbs side sleeper back problems?

Best Regards

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Re: MySide Series 6 mattress by Kingsdown 24 Sep 2011 17:27 #6

  • phoenix
  • phoenix's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Administrator
  • Administrator
  • Posts: 31984
Hi johnnyj,

The main difference between their models is in the thickness and ILDs (softness firmness) of the different layers on top (pressure relief) and underneath (support layers). They also have both a 2" and a 3" topper which is made of 14 ILD talalay latex that can be added over any of their mattresses for those who are looking for a softer feel. The lower ILD toppers would be more suitable for those that are lighter weights.

With side sleeping ... a good "starting point" for a side sleeper is about 3" of latex in the range of 19 - 24 ILD and then progressively firmer layers underneath this are what keeps you in alignment (prevents your heavier parts from sinking in too far). Curvier bodies (as in narrower waists and wider hips and or shoulders) can sometimes use thicker layers for pressure relief and to help support the lumbar area. Heavier weights (which of course you're not) will also typically use either thicker or firmer comfort layers. Lighter weights (or more evenly distributed weight profiles) will often do well with lower ILDs in comfort and support layers. The key with any mattress is to first test for pressure relief on your side (making sure there are no pressure points in your hips and shoulders particularly and to make sure the "gaps" are filled in (your hand doesn't slide under your waist easily).

Once you have an idea of the pressure relief thickness and ILD that works for you ... then test each mattress for alignment (to make sure your shoulders are sinking in enough and that your hips aren't sinking in too far so that your spine is in its natural alignment). Your natural spinal alignment on your side is straight and on your back would be its natural "S" curve as it is when you are standing up straight with good posture.

The specs of the different Pure Latex Bliss mattresses (without the toppers) are at the end of this post for reference. I wish all national brands were this open about the materials and layers in their mattress :)

Phoenix

NOTE: The 1" Support Stabilization Base Foam 1.8oz in the specs below (used for the easier handling and movement of the mattresses during construction) has now been replaced with 1" ultra firm (50 ILD) talalay latex. A nice change even though the 1" of poly on the very bottom as a stabilizing layer would not have affected the feel, performance, or durability of the mattress.

Specifications Beautiful

Latex BLISS uses 450-480 Gram Weight fabric
Latex BLISS Milliken's Paladin Fire Resistant Barrier
3" Natural Talalay Latex 19 ILD
2" Natural Talalay Latex 24 ILD
6" Natural Talalay Latex 36 ILD
1" Support Stabilization Base Foam 1.8oz
12" Mattress Height
9" Steel Foundation
21" Overall Mattress & Foundation
20 Years Limited Warranty 10/10

Specifications Nutrition

Latex BLISS uses 450-480 Gram Weight fabric
Latex BLISS Milliken's Paladin Fire Resistant Barrier
2" Natural Talalay Latex 19 ILD
2" Natural Talalay Latex 28 ILD
6" Natural Talalay Latex 36 ILD
1" Support Stabilization Base Foam 1.8oz
11" Mattress Height
9" Steel Foundation
20" Overall Mattress & Foundation
20 Years Limited Warranty 10/10

Specifications Nature

Latex BLISS uses 450-480 Gram Weight fabric
Latex BLISS Milliken's Paladin Fire Resistant Barrier
2" Natural Talalay Latex 19 ILD
1" Natural Talalay Latex 28 ILD
6" Natural Talalay Latex 36 ILD
1" Support Stabilization Base Foam 1.8oz
10" Mattress Height
9" Steel Foundation
19" Overall Mattress & Foundation
20 Years Limited Warranty 10/10

Specifications Pamper

Latex BLISS uses 450-480 Gram Weight fabric
Latex BLISS Milliken's Paladin Fire Resistant Barrier
1" Natural Talalay Latex 19 ILD
6" Natural Talalay Latex 40 ILD
1" Support Stabilization Base Foam 1.8oz
8" Mattress Height
9" Steel Foundation
17" Overall Mattress & Foundation
20 Years Limited Warranty 10/10


Specifications Peace

Latex BLISS uses 450-480 Gram Weight fabric
Latex BLISS Milliken's Paladin Fire Resistant Barrier
1" Natural Talalay Latex 28 ILD
6" Dunlop Core Synthetic Latex
1" Support Stabilization Base Foam 1.8oz
8" Mattress Height
9" Steel Foundation
17" Overall Mattress & Foundation
20 Years Limited Warranty 10/10
Researching for a mattress?... Be sure to read The Mattress Shopping Tutorial.
Click here for TMU Discount Codes if purchasing from Our Trusted Members.
For any mattress questions Ask An Expert on our forum

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Last edit: by phoenix.

Re: MySide Series 6 mattress by Kingsdown 19 Nov 2011 19:55 #7

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous's Avatar
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
You sound like a salesmanthat doesn't have this product to sell instead of an impartial advisor. You might want to find out the facts before you spout such vitriole.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Re: MySide Series 6 mattress by Kingsdown 19 Nov 2011 22:09 #8

  • phoenix
  • phoenix's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Administrator
  • Administrator
  • Posts: 31984
Hello Anonymous,

The facts are listed in this thread (the layers of the mattress and what is in them) and throughout the website (regarding the different types of materials that are used in mattresses).

I also don't sell any mattresses (which you would know if you'd read the site and the information on it which is the basis for my opinions) so I have no product to defend. I am an advocate for transparency and value no matter where I may find it.

If you would like to bring any more "facts" to bear on the materials in this mattress ... or anything else that justifies their outrageous price or the sales tactics of the stores that sell them ... then feel free to do so.

I am guessing you probably sell these mattresses ... which is the reason why you "defend them" without bringing any facts of your own to the discussion?

I would welcome anything you would care to contribute to the discussion that would educate the readers of this forum about these or any other mattress or the materials in them ... but in the absence of this, I'm at least happy that there are nerves being pressed which I have no objection to pressing :).

I had no illusions when I started this site that there wouldn't be a few feathers ruffled. You are not the first and I hope you won't be the last!

Phoenix
Researching for a mattress?... Be sure to read The Mattress Shopping Tutorial.
Click here for TMU Discount Codes if purchasing from Our Trusted Members.
For any mattress questions Ask An Expert on our forum

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Re: MySide Series 6 mattress by Kingsdown 08 Dec 2011 16:24 #9

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous's Avatar
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
Anonymous is probably a Sleepy's employee. As a former Sleepy's employee I know that person must remain anonymous because to respond without receiving Executive officer approval, that person could face disciplinary action, including suspension or termination from the company.

As far as even considering purchasing any MySide mattress from Sleepy's, be aware Sleepy's has a contract with Kingsdown in which Kingsdown will not sell that series to any other retailer in Sleepys market area. That area goes from Massachusets to Virginia.In fact, Sleepy's sister company, 1-800Mattres(AKA Dial A Mattress) does not offer the product. As a result of having the exclusive rights to this product, Sleepy's has a high markup on the product and it is a series which is a high commission item for the salesperson.

The MySide series 6 sounds like it is the successor to the 600 series. Sleepy's list price for a queen size 600 series set was $3,299. They would come down to $2,599.00 but retailers outside Sleepy's market area generally sold the same queen size set for $2,199.

Tim

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Re: MySide Series 6 mattress by Kingsdown 09 Dec 2011 05:35 #10

  • phoenix
  • phoenix's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Administrator
  • Administrator
  • Posts: 31984
Hi Anonymous,

Thanks for the input from someone who would know :)

I appreciate it.

Phoenix
Researching for a mattress?... Be sure to read The Mattress Shopping Tutorial.
Click here for TMU Discount Codes if purchasing from Our Trusted Members.
For any mattress questions Ask An Expert on our forum

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

The Mattress UndergroundCopyright © 2022 The Mattress Underground
TheMattressUndergounf
TMU
TheMattressUndergounf