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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 25 Feb 2012 21:51 #251

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Dear Phoenix, I am located in South Central PA near York PA. I am a side or stomach sleeper 6 foot tall about 260lbs, my fiance is 5 foot 3 about 130 lbs. We are in the market for a new mattress. Of all the mattresses we have tested out there were two we really liked the Serta iComfort Revolution King, and the Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe in King. I care about the mattress and its comfort as I sometimes have lower back pain from past sports injuries. My fiance cares about sleeping cool and comfort as well as an adjustable base. My question is: are there comparable mattresses that fit our two choice profiles above and are more affordable? Especially with an adjustable base the Temurpedic is around $7000 and the Serta iComfort around $5,000. I need to buy one soon and I am looking at all the options. We have considered Costco but there is no store near enough and I have not tried them out. Could we/should we buy the mattress and shop elsewhere for a more affordable adjustable base? Any insight and recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 26 Feb 2012 04:17 #252

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Hi GVSourkas,

The three factory direct manufacturers that are closest to you are ...

Magic Sleeper and www.mattressandfurniturestore.com/ Pottstown (or Pottsdown), PA. Local factory direct manufacturer that makes a range of good quality and value mattresses including two sided innerspring mattresses and a number of latex and latex hybrid options. Family owned and good people. They also make custom designs and sizes and and they are also a member of this site.
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www.furniturerow.com/fr/ York. Regional factory direct manufacturer. They make a range of mattresses of all types with good value (they also carry other brands which I would avoid). they may not carry their latex models (as of about t months ago but that may have changed).

www.verlo.com/ West Chester. Regional factory direct manufacturer. they also carry a wide range of mattresses of all types with good value. See post #17 here for some feedback about the West Chester outlet.

I would focus my attention on these three as it's unlikely you will find better value or selection at other stores in the general area.

I purchased my adjustable base here and they have the best value that I know of. Serta is the Ergo with a few minor options added and the Reverie (which I purchased because I thought it was the best combination of features and value) is the manufacturer of the Tempurpedic base.

There are quite a few pages on the site which should help give you a few guidelines.

This article will help you avoid most of the lower value choices so you can focus more on the outlets which have better knowledge, service, and most importantly value. Local manufacturers almost always use better quality materials and sell for lower prices than the larger national brands which I would avoid completely.

Post #11 here has an analysis and review on the iComfort lineup.

Tempurpedic are high quality memory foam mattresses but are also significantly overpriced IMO compared to equally high quality (or better) mattresses made by smaller manufacturers.

I would also read the overviews that are in the mattresses section of the website to gain a bit of general knowledge about the materials and construction of a mattress as it will help you in your search.

This page has some guidelines that are connected to weight and this page has some guidelines connected to sleeping positions.

With stomach sleeping it's especially important to make sure that the comfort layer isn't too thick and that you have a firm support layer as well to prevent swayback. The Revolution is probably one of the least suitable mattresses for your weight and sleeping position and it would put you at real risk of worsening your back pain (your pelvis would likely sink in too far and hyperextend your back into a swayback position). Memory foam as a group is also quite tricky and I would seriously consider latex which is just as pressure relieving but far less risky for back issues. If you do decide to go with memory foam ... I would use the highest quality possible (5 lbs and up) because with your weight a lower density memory foam will wear out much more quickly (including the 4 lb memory foam in the Cloud Luxe). Memory foam is also the hottest of all foams and regular polyfoam is cooler and latex is the coolest of all.

So overall I would take a little time to do some reading on the site ... ask questions as you come across them ... and put your focus on local manufacturing and definitely test the feel of latex as it would fit what you are looking for much better and would be far more durable than any memory foam.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 29 Feb 2012 21:45 #253

Hello,

I live in Boca Raton Florida and I'll buy a memory foam mattress soon.
I'm looking for quality and comfort, I just tried the iconfort Revolution and I believe the price is too high. BJ's has the Sleep Innovations Queen-Size 12" Supreme Elegance Memory Foam Mattress for 859.99 but I'm not sure what to do.
If there is any better choice please let me know.

Thanks.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 01 Mar 2012 00:21 #254

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Hi acump,

BJ's has the Sleep Innovations Queen-Size 12" Supreme Elegance Memory Foam Mattress for 859.99 but I'm not sure what to do. If there is any better choice please let me know.


IMO, the most important part of choosing a memory foam (or any other) mattress is the ability to find out the quality and type of foam that is inside it. Without this information there is no way to make meaningful comparisons with any other mattress. Post #10 here includes some guidelines that I think are good to follow when choosing a memory foam mattress. Without filling in the missing information about the foams used in the Supreme Elegance ... I personally wouldn't consider it.

I also believe that in most cases the best quality and value in a mattress is found with local manufacturers who sell factory direct or smaller sleep shops who carry "alternative" brands (smaller national, regional, or local manufacturers). Here too though, knowing what is in your mattress and the ability and willingness of the outlet to tell you this information is a major part of choosing which outlet I would put my focus on and is one of the key ways to identify better outlets.

Some of the factory direct outlets in your area that I would include in my research are in post #2 here .

Feel free to keep the questions coming as you come across them.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 02 Mar 2012 02:36 #255

Hi, I was looking to see if someone could help me answer some questions I had.

I went to a Mattress firm and tried out the iComfort mattress and thought it was pretty good. Especially with the motion perfect base which I fell in love with.. (I believe that's the name)

I searched for reviews and came across this forum.. I have scanned around several posts and have learned a little bit..

First and foremost I am in a wheelchair and my weight is about 220 and I am a back and left side sleeper.
I read in one post that you mentioned Adjustable beds org.. I really believe I am going to get Reverie Deluxe (REV9981)

Now, I'm lost in even which mattress to begin to look at. Would any mattress be compatible with the Reverie base? Would you be able to suggest or recommend any style of mattresses to try out? I do get hot when I sleep. Also, I believe if I were to get a big foamy, foamy mattress I would sink into the bed to much and might be a little harder for me to turn to my side.
I understand it is an important investment but I was looking to stay under $1,500 for the mattress.. if needed or simply feels amazing I could go up in price..
Any factory direct places or stores you would recommend within 60 miles of McAllen, TX 78501

If you have any questions for me, please ask away.
Thanks

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 02 Mar 2012 07:14 #256

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xps24,

I went to a Mattress firm and tried out the iComfort mattress and thought it was pretty good. Especially with the motion perfect base which I fell in love with.. (I believe that's the name)


I think that perhaps the best place you could start is to read the guidelines on this page . This will help you avoid most of the common traps and pitfalls of mattress shopping and likely lead you away from the chain stores (like mattress firm) and the major brands (like Serta) and help you focus on the much higher quality and value that is usually available from local factory direct manufacturers or sleep shops that sell smaller alternative brands.

The motion perfect is basically the Ergomoton 400 at adjustablebeds.org with a few minor enhancements. I personally bought the Reverie Deluxe because the value was a little better although both would have made good choices. Reverie makes all the bases for Tempurpedic.

There is an analysis and review of the entire iComfort lineup in post #11 here .

Now, I'm lost in even which mattress to begin to look at. Would any mattress be compatible with the Reverie base?


There are some innerspring mattresses which can be used with an adjustable base (the outlet will tell you if they are suitable) but they are usually used with either memory foam mattress or latex mattresses which would all work fine on an adjustable base if they have a foam core (instead of an innerspring).

Some good basic information that may be worth reading just to give you some general information that will help you clarify some of the "mystery" about mattresses are in the overviews in the mattresses section of the site . I would scan these rather than "study" them so you can ask better questions.

There is a regional factory direct maufacturer in your area called Denver Mattress which carries a range of mattresses that would likely have better quality and value than most of the other choices in your area. I would focus on the brands they make rather than the major brands that they also carry and in particular I would look at the Aspen and the Snowmass which are latex mattresses which have good value. With your weight ... the firmer Snowmass may be a better choice between the two if you are comfortable with the pressure relief, support, and the overall feel of the mattress.

Another option I would consider if you are comfortable with the idea is to consider a purchase from one of our manufacturing members that make mattresses with much better quality and value than are available in many areas of the country and specialize in shipping anywhere across the country. They are all highly skilled in helping you make good choices and many of them allow you to actually choose the layers of foam in your mattress to best suit your needs and preferences. Some time spent on the phone with these (and they are listed in post #21 here ) telling them about your needs and preferences will help you a great deal whether you choose to go in this direction or not. Not all of these would be within your budget range but some of them definitely would and they are all much better quality and value than mattresses that most people in a similar budget range or even much higher would typically end up purchasing.

I do get hot when I sleep. Also, I believe if I were to get a big foamy, foamy mattress I would sink into the bed to much and might be a little harder for me to turn to my side.
I understand it is an important investment but I was looking to stay under $1,500 for the mattress.. if needed or simply feels amazing I could go up in price..


Of the two main types of specialty foams that you will find in mattresses (memory foam and latex) ... latex tends to be much cooler and is also much more motion friendly (it doesn't have a "memory" that can make movement more difficult). It is also the most durable and supportive generally available. I would tend to stay away from thick layers of polyfoam in the upper layers of your mattress because this tends to be lower quality and breaks down faster than higher quality foams. A layer of softer foam in the range of about 3" (either memory foam or latex) over a firmer layer for good support would be typical for someone of your weight and sleeping position. Depending on your preferences and pressure relief needs ... a medium soft top layer in the range of 24 - 28 ILD may work well. Your experience on the Aspen and the Snowmass may also help provide a guideline for the type of comfort layer that works for you.

Relax2Sleep is retail outlet that carries Sterling Sleep and Natura both of which make some high quality mattresses. While they will likely be outside of your budget ... they can provide some helpful guidelines about the type of mattress that may work for you if you decide on an online purchase.
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Hope this helps and feel free to post any questions or comments along the way.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 04 Mar 2012 00:23 #257

Hi Phoenix, I really appreciated your fast response.

I was able to make a trip to Denver Mattress today, I tried out the Queen Snowmass with a Ergomotion 300 series base. I liked it very much. I'm confused on whether to get the reverie or ergomotion.. The Reverie says the head part goes up 70 degrees.. On the Ergomotion faq page it states it goes up 70 degrees, but does not state which model. That 70degrees is very important to me. I wanted to ask if you could help me out by telling me the differences between an Reverie Deluxe($1228) and the Ergomotion 300($1,199)?

I did prefer the Snowmass over the Aspen, the price is $1,129 for a Queen.. Is that a ok to good price on this mattress? The Construction materials being:
Quilt Layers:
Stretch Knit Ticking
1" 1.8lb High Density Foam
Natural Rayon Fire Barrier

Comfort Layers:
2" Talalay Latex

Support System:
6" Talalay Latex Core
2" 1.8lb High Resilient Foam

Also, the "sales man" did recommend buying a Perfect Harmony Isocool ($99) which he stated would prolong the mattresses life a little longer by absorbing sweat and moisture from my body before it would get to the mattress itself and keeps you very cool which intrigued me.
He also mentioned that he could not lower the prices on any of the featured products.. Only 15% on accessories.. Even if I paid cash which I found odd.. Is that normal on their own brands or have you heard that they do lower the prices a bit?

Can you please let me know your opinion on these prices and items I am looking to purchase? Just not sure about which adjustable base to get right now..

Thank you very much

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 04 Mar 2012 04:41 #258

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Hi xps24,

I'm not familiar with the Ergomotion 300 (the Ergomotion website says it's not available in North America in spite of the fact that Denver Mattress seems to be carrying it). I did however test out the Ergomotion 400 which I believe is similar. I personally bought the Reverie Deluxe because I thought it had better overall value. The ergo models at that time only went to 60 degrees so I don't know if that has changed (many sites still say 60). The head raised a little higher than the Ergo (again I don't know if this is still true), the massage was a little better, and the weight capacity was a little higher (550 lbs vs 500 lbs including the mattress). The weight limits would be per single unit and a split unit would have double the capacity (this came directly from communications with Reverie). The Reverie Deluxe is available for $1099 with no shipping or tax from here (this is where I bought mine).
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The price for the Snowmass is very good for a mattress that has 8" of latex and if you tested it for pressure relief and alignment and you like the feel of it ... the value is excellent.

I would avoid a mattress protector with thick layers of polyester fibers. They will compress and also reduce the feel of the latex. While a mattress protector is an essential part of your sleeping system ... there are many better choices IMO. If you do a forum "title search" (click forum search and then "search titles only") on "protector" or "cover" (without the quotes) there are many posts with a lot of information about the tradeoffs involved in a choice of mattress protector. I would tend to go with wool such as the Dormeir (much more breathable and temperature regulating but will affect the feel of the mattress a little more) or a thinner stretchable breathable/waterproof protector (which is less breathable but in most cases will affect the feel of the mattress a little less).
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He also mentioned that he could not lower the prices on any of the featured products.. Only 15% on accessories.. Even if I paid cash which I found odd.. Is that normal on their own brands or have you heard that they do lower the prices a bit?


This is the "norm" with most reputable factory direct manufacturers who don't run fake sales like most of the mainstream outlets and run on smaller profit margins. There quality and value every day of the year is far better than the best of the "sale prices" that you see so heavily advertised elsewhere. Outlets that heavily discount their mattresses and run continuous sales are good places to avoid. Nobody ever pays their "regular" prices which are outrageously high and only listed to make their sale prices look better than they really are. You won't find a similar mattress (using similar materials) or anything close to it at a major outlet for anywhere near that price regardless of a sale or your ability to "negotiate" (another gimmick in mass market outlets that makes buyers feel good because they think they got an even better deal).

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 07 Mar 2012 17:37 #259

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Thank you so much for this post! My wife and I were all set to buy an iComfort mattress when I found this topic. We've since come to apperciate the "wonders of latex" and are actually en route to OK Mattress right now to build us a perfect bed. :) I'd ask your advice, but after spending a few days reading through all the info and Q/As you've already provided, we feel like we know exactly what to look for. So instead, we just wanted to express our gratitude for all the time and effort you put into this! We're telling everyone we know about this site!

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 07 Mar 2012 21:15 #260

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Hi cagezero,

Thanks for your kind comments ... and you sure do make my job easier when you already have a good idea of what you are looking for :)

I'm looking forward to any ongoing feedback you may choose to share about your experiences and choices.

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