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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 28 Jan 2012 05:40 #241

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phoenix,

the bed is as folllow: bottom-

2in cocconut rock hard firm
4 in blended talalay 30% nat and 70% ild of 35
2 in on top medium and ild 26-32
2 in talalay soft and 19-26
1" convuluted latex

I'm having discomfort in the lower back area and am waking up due to these problems. I called Patrick at community mattress and he has been nothing but helpful. He did recommend maybe getting a topper since I had a sleep number bed with no support on a number of 35. I like to sink in my bed and I guess that's very bad for the back so now I guess I'm not used to actually having support. I don't blame him at all and know he's going on the specs I gave him from the bed I slept on which felt amazing. I'm just concerned because when I did sleep on the natura crown I had no problems so I don't know what to do and that's why I was asking if there was a break in period. Also, does it matter the temp that my room is at?

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 28 Jan 2012 08:14 #242

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Hi 22bmarsh,

Patrick is right IMO that it would be a good idea to give the mattress some time if you can. One of the difficulties when you are coming from a mattress with poor support that you have become used to is that your back may have become accustomed to sleeping in an unnatural position and that good posture may be painful. I have talked with several chiropractors who design mattresses that have told me that this is not an unusual phenomenon. While the long term implications of this are not so good ... in the short term it can cause some grief until the ligaments and muscles get used to a more natural position.

Do you know any of the details of the sleep number mattress besides the setting (the foam layers on top of the bladder)? Knowing more about what you were sleeping on may help a bit.

Normally I would suggest that with your 6'3" 175 lb frame and being a side/back sleeper that this would be a construction that worked fairly well for side sleeping at least. If anything it would be "on the soft side" for back sleeping with 3" of softer latex on top of a medium transition layer. Do you sleep a lot on your back or mostly on the side? Under normal circumstances I might tend to suggest eliminating the top 1" layer of foam to put you closer to the support layers and "bring up" your pelvis but with your history I'm not sure if the issue is too soft or old "memorized" sleeping posture.

What I would suggest for now is to take a thicker blanket and fold it into a strip (in half twice) that can go under the middle third of the mattress under the pelvic area. The goal is to test the results of bringing up your hips a bit to see what effect that has. I would hold off on a topper for now (as Ryan from Beloit suggested) because if the issue is that the upper layers are already a little too thick then it could make it worse and as he also mentioned it could re-start the adjustment period.

One other suggestion if you spend a fair bit of time on your back is a pillow under your knees to "rotate" your hips and help ease lower back pressure. A pillow between your knees on your side may also help a bit but probably not as much for lower back.

There are about 4 different versions of the Natura Crown specs on the internet and it may have changed but the most common ones have 2" of coir on the bottom with 4" of firm Talalay (some say Dunlop) and then 2" of medium zoned talalay, 2" of soft zoned Talalay and then either 1" or 2 x 1" of convoluted convoluted latex (various sites say either Talalay or Dunlop and the Natura site says an inch of each). Your mattress is close to these and if anything it only has an inch of the convolute rather than 2. Most of them do have the 4" of zoned latex which would lift up your hips a bit so this may be the difference and the Natura also has a thick wool quilting which would firm up the upper latex layers a bit.

All in all this is a "tough" one to diagnose but I would start with the blanket and see if we can move things in the right direction a bit to at least get you comfortable enough to see if the normal adjustment period will improve things as well.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 28 Jan 2012 15:47 #243

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Hey Phoenix
Iv'e been reading this forum for a few hours and would like to say thanks for the valuable information that you have provided.
Last night I put a down payment on a bedroom set and mattress (iComfort Genius) from R&F. After reading the forum I's going to put the whole deposit towards the set and get a mattress from a local store. My husband is a back/side sleeper and I like to sleep on my stomach.I'm going to take your advice and try out a latex mattress but I have no idea what specifications to look for. Also I live in NYC area and wanted to know what would be the best store to buy from?
Thanks ALot!!!!

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 29 Jan 2012 01:06 #244

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Hi T.Haskins,

There are some guidelines in terms of what to look for here (your sleeping positions), and here (your statistics like weight and body shape etc) and here (your preferences).

More important though than the technical stuff is your own personal experience because each person is unique in how they interact with a particular mattress. This is why there is no "best" mattress in general terms but only best for an individual. Just as important is understanding the different materials that are used in a mattress and their general qualities and how they feel to you, and how to tell good quality from lesser quality in each material. Lower quality materials can make a very comfortable mattress that feels great in the managed environment of many showrooms. the problem is that they won't last as long. There is really only a limited amount of materials that are used in mattresses even though the variations in each material is quite wide. In comfort layers the different materials most often used are here . In support layers the different materials generally used are here . Each person can have a different opinion about each of these and which they prefer so its a good idea to spend some time initially getting a sense of the different general feeling of each one.

The comfort layers that you will most commonly see are the different types of foam ... latex, memory foam, and polyurethane foam. The support cores that are most common are innersprings (many types), polyurethane, and latex. So in the most basic versions you would have say a memory foam over polyurethane mattress (like tempurpedic), or a latex over innersprings, or a memory foam over latex mattress etc. Of course they can be mixed and matched in many ways and there are other materials but these are the "basic" ingredients of a mattress.

Much of this can get fairly technical so I personally believe that the most effective way to find a mattress is to find someone who already knows all of this and is willing to guide you in person in making the best choices. The best of these are almost always local manufacturers who sell factory direct or sleep shops with more knowledgeable staff and who sell smaller brands. Finding one of these and not spending your time and money in chain stores, department stores, on National brands that you hear advertised everywhere, or pursuing the "amazing sales" or "revolutionary new mattress" that you hear advertised will save you more time and frustration than anything else. Good mattresses using the best materials for a specific budget, that are well built, and that have great value, are available every day of the year at prices that don't change much and don't depend on negotiation. Good outlets don't have "amazing" sales (occasionally they have smaller discounts for legitimate reasons) and they understand the basics of mattress construction and how different types of materials and layering can suit certain people.

There are a lot of options in the New York area and there are also some outlets that offer less common choices as well (such as the old style natural fiber over innerspring mattresses hand built in the "old fashioned" way). What I would do is to first spend time on the phone talking with some of these and letting them know your budget, your preferences in terms of what you like and the types of mattresses you have preferred, and of course your needs (based on height, weight, sleeping positions etc). The better outlets will be happy to let you know the choices that may work well for you and how much they cost. Some research on the phone (and on websites for those that show more information) will save you hours of going "store to store" and getting more confused as you try to remember what every mattress felt like and what it was made of. Your phone calls will give you a very good sense of a few outlets that seem the most promising for your own circumstances and are the most knowledgeable and helpful and these are the ones I would spend time visiting.

There is a list of some of the better places in the NYC area in post #2 here . There are also a few general descriptions of many of these outlets in post #7 here .

In essence ... the more the person who is helping you knows ... the less you have to know. The more they are willing to help "educate" you about their mattresses and how they compare to others rather than "sell you" on their mattresses based on "stories" ... the more likely it is that you can trust them. These types of outlets will be more patient, won't create a sense of urgency about buying now, and because they are proud of what they make and the value they represent, they will help you make meaningful comparisons with other mattresses rather than making comparisons more difficult. they are what I call "mattress people" rather than "money machines".

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 22 Feb 2012 20:55 #245

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Phoenix,

So I got a topper but it was a plush topper and I have to say my bac and sleep has gotten a lot better. This was all in thanks to Patrick who recommended that since I was used to having a pillow top this would give me the best sleep possible as well as having all the support I needed. Hope this helps and thanks to all of your help.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 22 Feb 2012 22:22 #246

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Phoenix- I wanted to let you know that after all the research I finally broke down and purchased the Restonic Latex. The first night I slept on it I only slept for two hours since I was not use to this type of mattress and I was so scared I had made the wrong decision. By the second night I fell in love with this mattress. It's like laying on a cloud and provides support for all of the pressure points. I've now had it for over a month and am so glad I took the time to research.
Thank you so much for your help Jill

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 23 Feb 2012 03:11 #247

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Hi 22bmarsh,

That's great news! I guess that your body just needed the feel of the old mattress with a little better support :)

Patrick also gets 5 stars in my book for coming up with a solution and working with you till you were happy.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 23 Feb 2012 03:23 #248

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Hi jmbramblett,

Congratulations on your new mattress!

It often takes a few weeks to adjust to a new mattress and you managed to do it in a day. I guess that's piece of good news number 2 :)

It always feels so good to finish all the research and testing and actually get to lay down and go to sleep.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 24 Feb 2012 02:41 #249

WOW! What an awesome website!

Kudos to you Phoenix (great name as i was born there)....you run a great show.

I need your help: I live the Dallas area and am in the market for a new king mattress set. Started looking at innersprings then we tested out a foam mattress. Hated the Tempurpedic.

Liked the King Koil Elara set @ Rooms to Go but cannot find any intel on this mattress. Ready to pull the trigger on an Icomfort Insight king set from Sam's for $1700 (delivery and $200 gift card promo) but then stumbled upon your website.

Now, I am really confused. :)

I am a 260 lb side sleeper....sleep HOT and wake up with stiffness and back pain from our current cruddy mattress....wife is 125 lbs, stomach/sider and needs to be bundled up. Semi-firm comfort level.

Now am wondering about your latex vs. foam suggestions as well as a earlier recommendation to check out Sleep Craft, a local manufacturer.

Budget: up to $1700-$1900

1. Any intel on King Koil Elara?
2. Any mattress suggestions vs. our sleeping habits?
3. any other DFW manufacturers?
4. Any pillow suggestions?

BTW.....what do YOU sleep on??

Chip in Dallas

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 24 Feb 2012 16:20 #250

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Hi Chill,

Thanks for the comments :)

Do you have a link to the Elara? I didn't see a King Koil model with this name and the only "Elara" I could find is a Simmons which you can see here . It uses lower quality foam (the base is only 3 lb memory foam and 1.65 lb polyfoam) and the upper comfort layers uses P50 foam (which is @1.5 lb). I would avoid this one completely if this is the mattress you meant.

You can see my thoughts on all the iComfort models here (in case you haven't see it).

I am a 260 lb side sleeper....sleep HOT and wake up with stiffness and back pain from our current cruddy mattress....wife is 125 lbs, stomach/sider and needs to be bundled up. Semi-firm comfort level.


Wide weight differentials can be particularly tricky. Because of your weight ... I would focus on higher quality materials in the comfort layers in particular. With sleeping hot added to the equation ... I would also tend to avoid memory foam or at the very least use the coolest memory foams available. Several options for these types of situation would be to use a comfort layer where there are several layers instead of just one layer. This is because whatwill feel soft for someone that is heavier will often feel firm for someone who is lighter. If you were to use for example 2" of softer material and 2" of medium material on top ... then the entire 4" would be your comfort layer and then firmer layers below this would act as your support layer. Because of your wife's lighter weight the 2" of medium material may act more as a support layer (the medium would "act" soft for you but would 'act" firm for her) which may give both of you the pressure relief and support you need. The other option would be to use "split" layering where each side of a mattress was layered differently for each of you. These are not "specific" suggestions (in terms of the specific layer thickness that may work best for you) but ideas that are meant to show how a mattress can be layered that can be suitable for two people with very different needs and preferences.

Some general guidelines that may help avoid most of the "worst" choices and help focus on the better choices (in terms of quality and value) in mattress shopping are here .

The overviews in the mattresses section of the site would be well worth reading to get a general idea of the materials used in mattresses and the types of layering that may work best for different combinations of weight and sleeping positions. Pages that include some general "weight guidelines" are here and for "sleeping position" guidelines are here .

There are quite a few options in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area but you will find the ones that I believe are your better choices in post #2 here .

The "pillow thread" is here

BTW.....what do YOU sleep on??


I sleep on a 2 sided talalay latex mattress made by one of the manufacturing members of the site (see the Dallas thread I linked previously). I added a note to the comments in the Dallas thread because I don't believe they offer talalay latex any more.

Hope this helps

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