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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 30 Jul 2012 18:17 #346

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New here so maybe have missed something already. Am shopping for a new mattress. I find the memory foam ones are too HOT and your skin almost feels like it is burning. I have heard that Latex is cool, is this really true. I called a mattress store this morning and he told me there is a new thing out Gel Memory Foam and it is not hot. I looked online and find that it is somewhat better but some still have trouble with it being warm! I live in Alberta Canada so maybe you can't help me but wondering where the best place to buy a Latex foam mattress is and is that the best to buy?? Some say you shoud buy a flipable mattress. This same salesman this morning told me you can't buy that kind of mattress any more but I don't believe him?? Also seem pillow top and euro top break down and shift. HELP just too many out there. Any help would be welcome it seems that mattresses are way overpriced but maybe I am wrong.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 30 Jul 2012 20:08 #347

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Hi mopeede,

there are basically three types of foam used in mattresses which are memory foam (gel foam is a type of memory foam), polyurethane foam, and latex. Of the three, memory foam is the warmest, polyurethane is next, and latex is the coolest of the foams.

There are many variations in each type of foam but memory foam by it's nature will be warmer because the cells are more densely packed and with less resilient foams that "absorb" more energy and don't "bounce back" like more resilient foams ... mechanical energy is turned to some degree into heat energy. Some of the newer generation memory foams and gel memory foam are "less warm" but still not as breathable or cool as most polyfoam or latex.

There are also many factors besides just the foams used that can influence sleeping temperature and some of them are mentioned in post #2 here . Some of the ways that are being used to cool down memory foam are discussed in Post #6 here .

So to some degree has tried to sell you a bill of goods. Gel memory foam is a step in a better direction but is only one piece of the puzzle and there is more hype than substance in the stories that are attached to it. Flippable mattresses are also widely available but not generally in the chain stores or with major brands who tend to use less expensive materials and sell them at higher prices. The reason that pillowtops and eurotops often break down is because of the use of lower density/quality polyfoam in the upper layers. If a pillowtop or eurotop had latex or higher quality foam ... they wouldn't have these common issues to nearly the same degree.

If you read the overviews in the "mattresses" section of the site it will give you some basic information that will help you ask better questions and also help you know when someone is "educating" you or "selling" you.

There is a longer article here about the pros and cons of latex and it is one of the highest quality mattress materials available but each person has their own unique needs and preferences so there is no "should and shouldn't" in terms of materials . .. only preferences

I would suggest first reading this article which will help you avoid most of the worst choices and hopefully keep you away from major brands and chain stores and other mass market outlets where you will tend to hear these types of "stories".

There are some good choices in Alberta and if you are in Edmonton post #136 here may help and if you are in Calgary ... then post #2 here may help. two of our manufacturing members are there and like all the members here carry great quality and value mattresses and would be the first place I would visit.

If you are somewhere else in Alberta ... let me know.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 30 Jul 2012 20:54 #348

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Wow Phoenix thanks so much for your help! Is there anything in Red Deer Alberta. I will study what you have written and read all the other things you mentioned then may have further questions. Thanks so much for your help and taking so much time. So appreciate it.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 31 Jul 2012 00:43 #349

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Hi mopeede,

Your best value is likely to be in Calgary but I did take a look around Red Deer to see what I could find that may have some better possibilities.

Here is a short list with some of the brands they carry that may be worth including in your research. Keep in mind though that brands mean nothing and the only way to really know the quality/value of a mattress you are considering is if an outlet is able and willing to tell you what is inside the mattress (or it is available on the internet). This should be easy to find out but it can sometimes feel like pulling teeth.

www.mattressmattress.com/ Carries Pure latex bliss (high quality talalay latex mattresses that will likely be quite pricey but are well worth testing), Sovn (made by an Edmonton wholesale manufacturer called Araam), and Springwall (an older Canadian manufacturer that sometimes has better quality/value).

They appear to have some Natura latex and latex hybrids (which are high quality mattresses but normally overpriced) at some very good prices. These may be returns or liquidation items and not have a factory warranty but they would be very good value if they are new. Natura recently went bankrupt and was bought out by Spring Air/Sommex so they may be clearing old models.
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If I come across any more I'll add them to this list.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 03 Aug 2012 00:14 #350

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Hi this one was on Mikesmattress.ca/mattress-specials Do I understand that the core then is made of both the 6 inch plant based foam then on top of that the 5 inch of talalay latex. Where does the 2.3 lbs. of wool come is that the comfort part? Is this a flipable mattress? Also is this pricing good for what they are offering? Also in your opinion is foam better than pocket coil mattress? Are they both good with helping to not feel the movement of the other person.
Also does this include the whole mattress or do you have to buy a base yet to? Wow so much to learn!


Regular $ 2220.00
Sale $ 1299.99
5" Talalay Latex Aloe Vera ticking

6" Plant based foam 2.3 lbs of wool

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 03 Aug 2012 01:03 #351

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Hi mopeede,

Do I understand that the core then is made of both the 6 inch plant based foam then on top of that the 5 inch of talalay latex


These types of questions are normally better asked of the retailer themselves (and I've talked with Mike's mattress and they seem to be ethical and willing to share the specs of their mattresses to the degree that their manufacturers make possible) because they have the spec sheets provided by the manufacturer. In this case though the general description they list on the site says 5" of talalay and 6" of polyfoam (with a small portion of the polyfoam polyols being plant based) but I don't have any more information than that although the Natura site shows a little more information and a google search on Natura harmony will probably bring up more yet but the easiest way is to talk with the retailer.

In general ... Natura tends to make high quality mattresses but they are also normally significantly overpriced. They just recently went bankrupt though and were bought out by spring Air so they (and others) are clearing out their remaining stock and floor models and will likely decide after that if they plan to continue carrying them. At their normal prices I would consider them to be good quality but poor value. At these prices I would consider the value to be good as well.

You can read about the different materials used in comfort layers and support layers of a mattress in the overviews in the mattresses section of the site . As you will see ... talalay latex is one of the highest quality materials that is used in a mattress. There is even more information in the more detailed parts of the section and in the pros and cons of latex article here . Wool is also a costly and high quality material used in quilting and has many benefits in terms of both being durable and very breathable and temperature regulating.

Plant based foam is polyfoam but in a suitable density (1.8 or higher) is perfectly suitable for use in the support layers of a mattress (Tempurpedic for example and most other memory foam mattresses use HD polyfoam in their support layers) and while I don't know the density of the foam that Natura used ... It is almost certainly above 1.8 lbs or HD polyfoam because I know that Natura tended towards higher quality materials.

Also in your opinion is foam better than pocket coil mattress?


The choice between good quality polyfoam and a good quality pocket coil would be personal preference.

Are they both good with helping to not feel the movement of the other person.


In general yes but this would also depend on the layers that are above it as well. It's important to personally test for these types of preferences though rather than going by words on a page. Some people are more sensitive than others to various degrees of motion separation and only your own personal testing will tell you if it's motion isolating enough for you.

Also does this include the whole mattress or do you have to buy a base yet to? Wow so much to learn!


The site doesn't say so you would need to ask them.

Overall though ... if it meets your needs and preferences (and this requires personal testing) ... this would be good value IMO.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 03 Aug 2012 10:52 #352

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Thanks so much I will keep digging, starting to feel like I am learning. So appreciate your time and help.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 04 Aug 2012 21:40 #353

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I am back, had a phone call and some e mails from mattress maker in Calgary He said he can make me a mattress of high density foam 2 lb Polyurethane core 30/40/50/ compression P 2040. He did some for a hotel and wrapped it in cotton felt and canvas One like that would cost approx. $895 with tax and delivery. He said that that is good for not feeling movement transfer. My question is that a good mattress? Would the cotton felt and canvas be good for the comfort layer or would it be hot. Also I do not sleep in one position mostly on sides and back so have trouble with shoulder pain and hip pain. Don't have any idea if this is a good mattress or not. He didn't seem to think that a latex top would be needed and would also add to price. Any advice or help I would appreciate it.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 04 Aug 2012 22:38 #354

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Hi mopeede,

The materials are good quality (2 lb foam is a higher quality HD foam but not as high quality as HR foam and cotton is also a breathable and durable material although it will become firmer as it compresses). It would also be fairly good for motion transfer but I don't know how it would be for pressure relief and alignment for you because the only way to know this for sure would be either personally testing the mattress or by using the expertise of the manufacturer who knows how all their customers with different body types and sleeping styles have "interacted" with this specific mattress. On the face of it, it would seem to be on the firm side.

There are two members of the site in Calgary and I would consider taking to them before making a decision. In particular ... Sleep Boutique (formerly Labbe Bedding) uses some very high quality polyfoam in their mattresses up to 2.8 lbs.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 04 Aug 2012 22:56 #355

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Thanks so much for your help will try and connect with the others too. I wondered if it would be kind of hard.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 06 Aug 2012 23:08 #356

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Hi I am back! We went to Mike Mattress superstore in Red Deer the one you gave me the link too. Kind of crazy but things I was asking him he didn't know, had been in the business at another store and now on his own I believe for at least 20 years. Didn't seem to know about the density etc. of the foam but called up the guy, but today a holiday the guy was going to let him know. We did try different mattresses there but did settle on the Natura Harmony one Here are the specs.
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Aloe Vera ticking
-Stimulates healthy skin rejuvenation and provides an antimicrobial sleep surface
2.3 lbs Pure NaturaWool™
-Reduces tossing and turning from temperature fluctuations
-Improves circulation by buffering pressure points
Natural cotton fire barrier
-Meets and exceeds all Canadian & US flammability standards
1" Plant-based foam
-Enhances cushioning comfort while supplementing support
1" Convoluted Talalay latex (blended) On the paper there it said 1 inch Convoluted Dunlop Latex soft
-Enhances contouring, supple support

Core:

2” Talalay latex soft
-Absorbs motion transfer so couples can sleep together undisturbed

2” Talalay latex medium
-Reduced exposure to dust-mites and other allergens
5 inch plant based foam. (he did not know what this was so will get the call tomorrow from the guy he buys from telling him)-Provides cushioning support across the whole mattress surface
It did feel very nice and much better than others that were firmer. I don't think it will be too cushy as do want some for hips and shoulders. Anyway here is the scoop:
On his add online he had it for sale at $1299.99 on the bed there it was listed for $2220.00 When he heard that I had seen it online on his site he said he would give it to me for that but had to go and make sure what he had listed it for. I asked questions, checked other mattresses, had to listen to all his words and finally said what is the best you can do for us. Came back and said he would give it to us for $1049. Mind you this is the mattress AND the base. I said we also needed the metal bed frame. All Queen size. He told me what that would be and I said would he take $1050 for all, he couldn't do that so I said ok would give him $1075 for the mattress, foundation and bed frame. with tax added total was $1,128.75. We agreed and that is what we paid! We came home with it and I have been checking online and price wise I think we got a good deal. What do you think? Hey don't be afraid to said what you really think. This has been an incredible learning experience. The only thing was we did buy today but felt that is what we should do. Another thing we did have our utility trailer with us as had to take care of other business. I know you suggested not buying it the same day. We do not live in the city. Anyway with the specs. what do you think? Just curious and again don't be afraid to give your true opinions!

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 07 Aug 2012 01:09 #357

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Hi mopeede,

Anyway with the specs. what do you think? Just curious and again don't be afraid to give your true opinions!


There are not many people who would accuse me of not saying what I really think ... even if it can (and sometimes does) get me into "trouble" :)

As I mentioned in post #351 of this thread ... the mattress you bought uses all high quality materials and normally sells for significantly more than what you paid (probably at least double as you can see here). The Natura site I linked earlier says the convoluted latex is Talalay and other sites say it's Dunlop but the difference is really not significant because they are both high quality materials. The 1" of polyfoam on top (the "plant based foam which has only a small part of plant based ingredients) is within the range of acceptable for a quilting layer and the 5" polyfoam support core (more "plant based" foam that also has a small percentage of the chemicals in the foam that comes from plants) is also likely at least 1.8 lbs and probably higher in the range of 2 lbs or so which means that it is a good material for a support core. It also uses more than average amounts of wool in the quilting layer which is an expensive material and will make the mattress very breathable and will help regulate sleeping temperature.
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All in all ... you bought a high quality mattress at a much lower price than normal and if you tested it for pressure relief and support and it "fit" your needs and preferences ... then there is no doubt that the value is great and probably among the best values available anywhere in your area.

You did well IMO ... and congratulations on your new mattress :)

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 15 Aug 2012 16:35 #358

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Hi phoenix,

Thank you for this thread, first time posting. I am cancelling my order for the Icomfort Insight as soon as I get off of work. I have been going back and forth, but after reading this I now know I need something better than that mattress. I am a 5'10 250lb stomach sleeper for your reference, so from my readings it would seem like I need 4-5inches of high density memory foam for someone my size. Seem Correct?

I am in Central Massachusetts, are there any good outlets in this area (01602) that you would recommend? I'd like to stay away from the bigbox retailers after reading your site.

Thanks for all your help, I truly appreciate it.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 15 Aug 2012 20:43 #359

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Hi bitz424,

I am a 5'10 250lb stomach sleeper for your reference, so from my readings it would seem like I need 4-5inches of high density memory foam for someone my size. Seem Correct?


Yes ... I would be looking at memory foam mattresses in the range of 5 - 8 lbs density and because of your stomach sleeping I would tend somewhat towards thinner layers that provide you with good alignment and pressure relief in all your sleeping positions (if you sleep in any other positions besides your stomach). 4-5" may work well for side sleeping or even back sleeping but for stomach sleeping thicker layers of memory foam may carry a risk of hammocking. This is also where 7-8 lb foam can play a role as part of the memory foam layering because it can be both softer and also more supportive (at least as much as any memory foam can be supportive).

I would also suggest careful testing on mattresses as objectively as possible (testing specifically for pressure relief, alignment, and how the mattress performs with movement) and preferably with the help of someone who has the experience and knowledge to help you make good choices.

While there are no factory directs right in Worcester, ... there are two "clusters" that would involve a fairly short drive. East of you is listed in post #2 here and west of you is listed in post #4 here . There is some feedback about many of these in various threads linked in post #2 here .

If you are committed to memory foam or gel memory foam ... I would take some time on their websites and talk to them on the phone to make sure they make or carry them because there may be some who don't make memory foam mattresses.

Also ... if you go east I would probably also consider dropping in to Boston Bed company in Framingham or Natick who carry some Therapedic mattresses that may also be of interest (depending on the mattress layering) and seem to have good value.

You are probably wise to cancel given the lower quality of some of the materials in the iComfort mattresses which would not likely do well with your weight.

While they aren't right in your back yard ... you do have some very good quality and value choices near you and some time on their websites along with a few phone calls and a visit to the ones that are most promising and carry what you want to test will likely save you a great deal of time and frustration compared to going store to store trying to sort through all the marketing information, dealing with people who don't know a lot about mattress materials and construction ... and sell mattresses with lower quality and value.

Hope this helps and if you have questions along the way feel free to post.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 15 Aug 2012 22:31 #360

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Thanks man, really appreciate it. Do you think latex is better for heavy people? Or maybe a latex/memory foam layering? So how thin do you suggest?

Thanks for the recs, will be looking into them

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